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Stubborn Is As Stubborn Does
There have only been a few times in my life when I've seen this much...I hate to say it, but...stubbornness going on all sides of a fight in my life. I can't start judging everyone because that's its own form of stubbornness, I guess. But, man. We're talking for ALL time and ETERNITY here, Internet! Come on! I really want to bring all parties together, but I'm making zero headway. It's all really serious, obviously, but it's starting to make me chuckle how little everyone's willing to budge. I'm taking a break. I'm taking a trip down hardheaded lane. Here's a list of the top three most stubborn moments I've ever witnessed, not counting this standoff between Bill & Barb (individually and collectively) and Nicki...in no real order:

1. Mom grew up next door to these kids named the McClures when she and her mom were living in Barstow. The McClures had two boys about her age that she was friends with: Jamesy and Louis. They were pretty darn close growing up and, like, twenty years later, once Mom had me and we were living in Colorado, Jamesy moved to town working on the HUGE construction crew that was building a bridge over the Westmoreland tributary...which took, like, three years. Part of that time, Mom and Jamesy dated...on and off, as usual. (I guess, real quick, I'll explain the name: he was called "Jimmy" as a kid and when he was getting older, he tried to get people to call him James or Jim, instead. Just to grind his gears, Louis and his friends started calling him "Jamesy"...and it stuck.) Anyway, Jamesy rented this cabin thing he shared with a Comanche guy named Clarence that was pretty much one big room, but it had a loft where Jamesy (and Mom, sometimes) slept. It had a ladder and, at the top, this railing with wooden balusters so you didn't roll out of bed in your sleep and drop the twelve feet or whatever to the living room below. Well, one day, I was downstairs playing Chinese checkers with Clarence and Mom and Jamesy were just lounging in the bed in the loft, chatting with us from up there. Jamesy peaked his face through the balusters to look down and tell one of his terrible (and dirty) knock-knock jokes1 when he realized his head could fit in between them. Well, and you can see where this is going: he got his head stuck in between those two pieces of wood in the railing. It was all fun and whatever for a few minutes; we were all laughing it up and cracking jokes. Mom was unscrewing the posts, but she started talking a little too much trash as she was doing it and Jamesy was starting to get mad. They started to get into it and it got to the point where she was gonna make him say, "this is the dumbest thing I've done since the time I lit a car on fire because someone dared me to." But he wouldn't. I remember not remembering the time he set a car on fire because someone dared him to, but he didn't like her bringing it up, it seemed, and he refused. Time and time again. For, like, forty-five minutes. Then he started yelling. Then Mom started yelling, and Clarence and I looked at each other like you do when a situation's turned bad. Clarence left without saying anything to Mom or Jamesy, leaving just me to watch this stupidity unravel above me. "Do you want me to help your sorry ass out of this mess or not?" Mom asked. "Not," he said like a pouty kid trying act tough. "Go to hell."

Mom put the screwdriver down on the bed and walked downstairs. She told me we were leaving. I stood up. Jamesy, lying on his stomach with his head still stuck, crossed his arms on the outside of the railing in defiance. It looked more uncomfortable. He did manage to give Mom the finger, though.

"I'll stay here forever, if I have to," he said.

"Don't doubt it," Mom said, putting things in her purse.

"I hate that you're like this."

"Me, too."

She looked up at him as she took my hand. We walked out outside. I couldn't decide who was more stubborn, but I was pretty sure I'd never see Jamesy again. And, of course, I didn't.

2. This one involves me and a pair of rollerblades. First of all, I should have never been on rollerblades, ever. It is absolutely impossible to understand a young me (a) wanting to rollerblade so badly and (b) raising so much hell when I wasn't allowed to. At first, I wasn't allowed to because those things ain't cheap. Well, at least they weren't cheap then. Thankfully, I don't know now. Can't imagine they've gone way down in price, but I guess we'll see when the boys get old enough to be dumb enough to want a pair of rollerblades. But anyway, the price hurdle was overcome when I won a pair in a raffle at school. Mom was furious. "Stupid raffles...I swear..." Anyway, two weeks later...skating...crack in the sidewalk...broken arm. Pink cast. Six weeks. Summertime. It sucked.

The whole time I had my cast on: "I swear to God, Margene. I know what I'm talking out. Those things are a goddamn death trap. A death trap. Death on wheels...inline wheels. Just isn't right." I had to sign a contract with Mom and the doctor that said I wouldn't skate while I had the cast on, but I fought Mom on her philosophy about rollerblades all the while. She didn't get how cool they were, I thought...how much fun they were. She didn't care, I figured. She didn't know what that kind of fun was anymore. I insisted I wasn't deterred. I told her I loved rollerblading. I can't believe I said that, but I remember telling her, specifically, that I loved it more than anything else I did. (I was a stupid kid a lot of the time, you see.) She enjoyed the six skate-less weeks, but I hated them and couldn't wait to get that cast off and them skates on. She told me I shouldn't, but I was hearing NONE of it. Finally, the day came. They sawed the cast off. Two hours later, I put the skates on...crack in the sidewalk...same sidewalk...different crack...broken arm...other arm. Pink cast again. Six weeks again. Autumn time. It sucked...worse.

3. NELL! RIGHT NOW! WILL. NOT. EAT. Refuses, and it's driving me CRAZY!!!!!!

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1Knock-knock/who's there/Emerson/Emerson who?/Emerson nice t*ts ya got there, lady.
25 Comments
I was very proud of you stepping up trying to get barb Bill to hear you and remind them about the eternity of the family and still wanting to be married to Niky.
While i get she is very destructive and most likely should not be in the family. You showed tremendous loyalty. That was nice to see.
Now i am worried about you. You have seen Bill and family divorced 1 time with Anna now if unsealed goes through 2 times in less then a few weeks.
Are you concerned about your status in the family?Glad to see you trying the internet business , I hope it works out for you
I really hope this show doesn't "jump the shark" by becoming a soap opera. Big Love is my favorite show on TV, but I am starting to fear that this whole mess with Nikki is headed into the gutter. Another poster mentioned being able to predict the plot line based on having watched General Hospital forever...and that is EXACTLY what I'm afraid of. If the writers of this show decide to over-simplify Nikki's character by casting her off and making her "evil", I'm going to be VERY disappointed. The whole reason I love this show is because life is more complicated than that and the writers of Big Love have been able to weave together episodes that reflect that in the past. I like that the family isn't perfect and, despite her serious flaws, I like what Nikki brings to the family. I don't think she should be taken back with open arms and no questions asked, but she shouldn't be written of just like that, either. I like the family dynamic as it is...rollercoaster ride and all. I didn't like the idea of adding Anna to the family and I'm thinking that if Nikki is out, Anna will be back.

I went from hating Nikki to feeling sorry for her to empathizing with her to being frustrated with her and back again. I've had mixed feelings about all the characters at different points...but that is the great thing about this show! It shouldn't be simple to love or hate any characters if they are all fully developed and we get to see their good and bad sides. Let viewers grapple with who and what they like and don't like--obviously there is no consensus (some despise Barb, others hate Nikki or identify with Margene, etc...). And the suggestion in the 9th episode was that Nikki would join forces with Albie to undermine their parents and run the compound. The last thing this show needs is another villain. I say leave the family as it is, with its ups and downs, don't add or subtract members (other than new babies :), and show us how real (albeit unconventional) families weather the storms.

Just my 2 cents.

P.S. Has anyone noticed that Teeny (or whatever the red-headed daughter's name is) hasn't been in the last 2 episodes? Ben wasn't in episode 8, either. Is Sarah the only child now or what? I hardly know the other kids' names. I'd like to see some really *family* drama and not just all the exploits with scandal and crazies.
I loved the temple scene, I got like a sneek peek of what it may be like and what we have to look forward to when we pass onto the next life and it makes you reflect on why you should forgive and follow God's commandments so that we can spend eternal life in a place like that where you will be reunited with your passed on family and loved ones - I loved that scene, I have been a better person since the scene because I don't want to be cast into eternal darkness like Barb. But the church elders can't determine whether she enters or not so she shouldn't be affraid of what they say, it's all in God's hands.
I really want Nikki to be unsealed from the family, I think she makes him misserable and its true, he's not even that into her! It did not make sense for him to grab her and have sex with her like out of nowhere! I bet its a trick to keep her in because she's going to end up being pregnant since she stopped taking the birth control because she got caught! She should go be with the normal guy from her job!
I'm so sick of people complaining about the whole "Temple" scene. I am not an overly religious person, but I do respect every religions beliefs and ceremonies. I think that the writers were thinking outside the box by trying to recreate the "temple". No one other then those who have ever been to "temple" know what really happens there. The writers consulted with experts about the "temple" before they completed the scene. I think that they were trying to show people what Barb is going through spirtiually. If you can't see that then maybe you shouldn't watch the show. Barb was scarred to death about being "cast into the darkness". She was trying to grab a hold of anything that would bring her comfort. She needed to know that no matter what she would never lose her family.
I think that Nicki and Bill should get back together, I can't believe Bill slept with her and the next day wanted to get unsealed. He doesn't know how to deal with her problems because he can't know everything. Therapy might not work because the whole family would have to find and independant fundamentalist counselor. I think the marriage will only work if the 4 of you are married. I worry if Nicki is unsealed then Barb might want to be so she can be sealed to her family. I don't want your marriage to fall apart. The Family has never taken time to get to know Nicki, if they do then they will learn how to support her best. I think with everything you've been through you will all make it through anything as long as you do it together.

With Love

PS: Margene and Nicki are my favorites
With all the mess Bill has made of things, I hope Nicki leaves him for Ray. Lets face it, the guy is crazy about Nicki, He would take her back in a heartbeat. Bill has treated all his wives terrible.The only time Bill even acts like he's married is at bed time. What kind of man needs a different woman everynight in his bed, and what does this say about the women. I really hope that scatter brain Margi leaves him too.
As for Barb, she needs to take a stand and stop blamimg Nicki for all her problems. I think Nicki and her lawyer freind will make a great team. I would like to see Nicki bring them all down, her mom and dad, and that sleezy brother of hers.
This is all making me so sad. It seems Bill's first gut reaction is to ignore Nikki's problems, his second action when it doesn't resolve all by itself is to get unsealed. Nikki like everyone else needs a little maintenance from time to time and she is left to drift on her own very often.. only getting attention when she stirs the pot and kicks up a stink. Bill spends more time focusing on all his business drama than guiding and leading his family. He should look inside himself and realize that the easy way out is not the best way, Nikki gives more direction and support to the family than he or Barb realize.
Okay, I think Margene is right. A marriage is a marriage. Love is such a precious thing that it shouldn't be thrown away. I also think Bill has a point. Nicki has problems that he doesn't know how to solve. She needs a professional. I would like Nicki to see a psychologist who can do talk therapy on her and find out what is wrong with her (not a psychiatrist, because Moromon's don't like drugs).
Bill owns an appliance store. If he doesn't know how to fix a lawn mower, he takes it to a person who knows how to fix it. This would make for an awesome series of great and informative story lines. All of those women desperately need someone they can talk to, or they're going to emplode! They don't seem to have friends or confidants. They really need someone to talk to, and a psychologist that is non-judgemental is perfect. What a story line that would make. I also think Margene should be the one to think of the idea, since she is the creative one who is always looking things up on the internet. Barb should agree, since she took a class on psychology back in the day. The writers of Big Love have my permission to use this idea! It would be awesome!
What happened to "ALL time and ETERNITY " Nicki does not want a divorce.

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Edited by powerwasher at 03/17/2009 12:34 PM PDT
i have enjoyed biglove but his last show where there was temple stuff really made me think that it may not be right to watch biglove anymore.. biglove was so good when it frist came out and then it seemed that it became more sexual and then too much drama and then the temple . thanks lisa
No to pregnant Nicky. I watch a drama not a soap and it will be just stupid for Nicky to have a child when she does not want one. Nicky and Bill are toxic and I am looking forward to them finally ending it. I want to see a powerful Nicky on her own and living her life.

Wanting to see Nicky fight for her daughter. She can enlist the help of Ray and the Da office and finally bring down Roman and JJ in the process.
My grandmother called me saturday to warn me about the endowment session. she said that it was terrible that people would show that. I grew up LDS, but i'm not really the religious type. Seeing that ceremony made me a little uncomfortable. If i were an active member i don't think i would go through with that.

Other than that...i love knowing about that they are talking about like miamaids and laurels. it makes me smile.
The person who said we know this is fiction, well of course. I think people just have fun writing on the blog as if they are talking to Margene. It is just a fun thing and not meant to be taken seriously.
I am glad that you are being the kind Margene again. You are the only one who seems to be giving Nikki the benefit of the doubt.
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