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Bill and Joey blindside Roman at a UEB Priesthood Council meeting, turning the tables on the Prophet-but will their triumph be short-lived? Wanda's bad habits resurface during a visit from Alby; Adaleen puts an abrupt end to Rhonda's thespian sabbatical; Nicki's family allegiances are put to the test; and Barb seizes the spotlight during the Mother of the Year award ceremony at the governor's mansion.
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Re: Episode 12: "The Ceremony"
Feb 1, 2008 11:58 AM
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> when does season 3 start?
grrlpwer,
Welcome, normally the next season (I think) would start sometime around August; however, with the writer's strike in progress, it will more than likely affect the start date. As I understand, season 3 is already written & some epi's possibly already filmed. But since it's a union thing, one union will not cross a line of another union's strike (scab). It's out of respect for the "union". Once this issue is resolved, hopefully another union group doesn't strike, then scheduling should resume. I'm sure we'll hear more about updates as time goes on........
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Re: Episode 12: "The Ceremony"
Feb 1, 2008 11:34 AM
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when does season 3 start?
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Re: Episode 12: "The Ceremony"
Jan 24, 2008 8:30 PM
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> > I have not seen the shorts yet. That sounds
> like it
> > was a good plot way of splitting them up into
> > seperate homes, however, I, at lease have a
> feeling
> > that the writers made it that way so as to not
> appear
> > to be advocating an illegal act, even if they
> did not
> > want to draw attention to that particular
> loophole to
> > the viewers.
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> The entire show is about polygamy - I don't think
> they're worried about appearing to be advocating an
> illegal act.
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> Whether they know about this "loophole" or not, I
> can't imagine they based the premise of the show on
> it.
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Actually, about a year ago, I remember reading an article about the writers of the show asking the Utah government how they felt about the premise of the show. Government representitaves stated that they disliked the glorification of an illegal act. There is nothing, per sei that is illegal about a man marrying women within the church and not civilly, however, the law in that state still have the mentality of "hunting them down and ridding society of that culture", that they have to be creative when it comes to throwing them in jail. Hence, common law marriage teamed with the bigamy law.
I feel that the writers wanted to work within the "system" when writing the plot. Otherwise, there would be a disclaimer at the start of every show saying, "do not try this at home". lol
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Re: Episode 12: "The Ceremony"
Jan 24, 2008 8:16 PM
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> I have not seen the shorts yet. That sounds like it
> was a good plot way of splitting them up into
> seperate homes, however, I, at lease have a feeling
> that the writers made it that way so as to not appear
> to be advocating an illegal act, even if they did not
> want to draw attention to that particular loophole to
> the viewers.
The entire show is about polygamy - I don't think they're worried about appearing to be advocating an illegal act.
Whether they know about this "loophole" or not, I can't imagine they based the premise of the show on it.
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Re: Episode 12: "The Ceremony"
Jan 24, 2008 8:08 PM
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Yes but not as a bigamy loophole. The reason they don't prosecute more is because they can't do it without discrimination. There are just too many men in LTA's Living Together Arrangements, with more than one girlfriend, even with kids, and in simultaneous relationships, and probable even some on welfare that have nothing to do with any religious affiliation per se.
The problem is too big, and it crosses too many other constitutional barriers. That's why they will "common law" them in order to prosecute only if they have some other law broken that is more compelling.
People who advocate rounding them all up ...etc just do not have a real grasp of the issues. It's activst/media hyperbole.
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Re: Episode 12: "The Ceremony"
Jan 24, 2008 7:55 PM
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Well, how else would the government differentiate a person having secret relationships with two other women other than his wife, and a man in a polygamous marriage? How would they prosecute if not the use of common law marriage. The common law marriage law is different in every state, but some are if you are living with someone of the oposite sex and are having sex (proof of sex is often the production of offspring) with them and have lived with them for "x" amount of months/years. Bill has a legal home address of house #1 with Barb. He owns all three properties, but resides in house #1. The tactic of the sisterwives living in seperate houses is often used in real polygamous marriages. I assure you. 
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Re: Episode 12: "The Ceremony"
Jan 24, 2008 7:41 PM
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That "particular loophole" is a figment of your imagination.
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Re: Episode 12: "The Ceremony"
Jan 24, 2008 6:18 PM
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I have not seen the shorts yet. That sounds like it was a good plot way of splitting them up into seperate homes, however, I, at lease have a feeling that the writers made it that way so as to not appear to be advocating an illegal act, even if they did not want to draw attention to that particular loophole to the viewers.
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Re: Episode 12: "The Ceremony"
Jan 23, 2008 10:57 PM
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> Actually, I have done some study on real polygamy in
> utah and the seperate house thing is not for the
> wives benifit it is a way around the law.
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> Let me explain:
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> The law in Utah is not against polygamy, it is
> against Bigamy: having two spouses. The Utah
> government is able to institute their "common law
> marriage" law to make all the marriages legal because
> of the cohabitation durration. So, even though the
> wives of a polygamist are married to him only by the
> church, the legal system will make those marriages
> legal which qualifies as Bigamy. By living in
> seperate houses, it eliminates the common law
> marriage trick by the government.
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> I don't really see why the wives would need much of
> their seperate space from eachother to that extent.
> I am sure sisterwives would normally spend more time
> e with eachother than they would with their hubby
> just because of their homemaker responsibilities.
It may be a way around the law but that is not the reason the Hendrickson's have 3 houses. There were three "shorts" that came out right before season 2 that were flashbacks filling in some of the questions we had about the family's past. In the third one (which we were told was one year prior to season one), everyone was living in one house. The wives got together and told Bill that it was not working for them to all live together and that they wanted their own houses. So, while it is a way around the laws in Utah, it is not the reason that they have separate houses.
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Re: Episode 12: "The Ceremony"
Jan 23, 2008 3:13 PM
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Actually, I have done some study on real polygamy in utah and the seperate house thing is not for the wives benifit it is a way around the law.
Let me explain:
The law in Utah is not against polygamy, it is against Bigamy: having two spouses. The Utah government is able to institute their "common law marriage" law to make all the marriages legal because of the cohabitation durration. So, even though the wives of a polygamist are married to him only by the church, the legal system will make those marriages legal which qualifies as Bigamy. By living in seperate houses, it eliminates the common law marriage trick by the government.
I don't really see why the wives would need much of their seperate space from eachother to that extent. I am sure sisterwives would normally spend more time with eachother than they would with their hubby just because of their homemaker responsibilities.
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Re: Episode 12: "The Ceremony"
Jan 22, 2008 9:53 PM
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I have been hearing about this series for a long time and I "finally purchased season one. I have to say that I find it interesting that they combined the most flds traditional thinking wife with the most annoying. i.e. Nikki.
I think it is too bad that that association is made. I also, think that it should have been obvious to Barb that she should not have made herself so public by accepting the award nomination. IN that sort of lifestyle, secrecy is a must. I really don't understand why Barb feels like she needs strangers to admire her good mothering qualities more than that of her family. Perhaps someone could help me with understanding this. Thanks "
Here's what I think. I don't think that Barb felt that she needed to be mother of the year, but it was more about taking what she wanted and deserved for a change. She is sharing her husband with two other women, sharing her little bitty paycheck with the same women she's sharing her husband with and their children (Barb should have a newer car like everyone else in the family in my opinion) And she's more patient than I could ever be when it comes to sharing her house with the other wives. In season 1, it seemed that both of the wives were in her home more than they were their own, especially Margene. I know they are supposed to share everything, but they each have their own homes so they can have a little space, peace, and privacy. I just think Polygamy is something you have to almost be born into to understand the importance of hiding from the rest of the world. Barb understands it, but I think it kind of slipped her mind at that time.
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Re: Episode 12: "The Ceremony"
Jan 22, 2008 8:42 PM
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> I really don't understand why Barb feels like she needs strangers to
> admire her good mothering qualities more than that of
> her family. Perhaps someone could help me with
> understanding this. Thanks
gamesinprogress,
When you see season 2, you'll find that Barb is in the middle of a personal crisis, imo. I think she feels that NO one really appreciates all that she does for the family. Her older children are both out of control, (not to her liking). I think that since she feels that she isn't getting personal attention at home; then this may be one avenue to fulfill that need or want in her life. I think also that Barb is tired of living behind a curtain. In season 2, she & Bill sort of made a pack with each other: no more hiding, secrets, about their chosen lifestyle. Then here is Barb (wife #1) with wife #2 younger, and wife #3 much younger. And she is sharing Bill with all of them.
You see, when Barb married Bill, polygamy wasn't part of the original deal. Call it a mid life crise, of the poly kind. Her reproductive years are probably gone, Margene is expecting and Nicki (well lets just say bcp~it's hush-hush).
So, I think realistically, Barb has alot on her plate that is very personal and she must contend with; or get out of her current arrangement. These are just my observations, not that they're fact.
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Re: Episode 12: "The Ceremony"
Jan 22, 2008 4:36 PM
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I have been hearing about this series for a long time and I finally purchased season one. I have to say that I find it interesting that they combined the most flds traditional thinking wife with the most annoying. i.e. Nikki.
I think it is too bad that that association is made. I also, think that it should have been obvious to Barb that she should not have made herself so public by accepting the award nomination. IN that sort of lifestyle, secrecy is a must. I really don't understand why Barb feels like she needs strangers to admire her good mothering qualities more than that of her family. Perhaps someone could help me with understanding this. Thanks
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Re: Episode 12: "The Ceremony"
Jun 18, 2007 2:37 PM
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> It's finally up. I like the old recapper better,
> though.
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I liked the recapper from last season much better, too. She/he? had a great sense of humor. Some of them made me laugh out loud they were so funny. If it weren't for these boards, I wouldnt't even know about that website. Does anyone post on the boards there? I haven't, but I have read a bunch of them.
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Re: Episode 12: "The Ceremony"
Jun 17, 2007 4:31 AM
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It's finally up. I like the old recapper better, though.
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