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Bill seeks "clarity" after experiencing some unsettling dreams. Later, on a hunting trip with Ben, he gets the answer for which he's been searching. Barb gets a long-term teaching job, putting added pressure back home on Nicki and Margene. Nicki fends off her creditors, barely; Joey pays Bill a visit with some revealing news about Roman; Sarah is bailed out of a bad party by Heather, and Teenie bangs away the dragons during a lunar eclipse.
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Re: Episode 04: "Eclipse"
Aug 24, 2007 10:13 PM
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> withay,
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> > It still has not been established that Heather
> cares
> > for Sarah (other than as a BFF) anywhere except in
> > Rhonda's blackmailing little mind. Remember, this
> is
> > the little darling who also inferred Bill was
> abusing
> > his daughter. Hopefully, Rhonda's accusations will
> be
> > cleared up this week.
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> Heather looked too guilty, and scared, for it not to
> be true. Unless she already has another reason to
> think her daughter is gay, there is no way Mrs.
> Tuttle would believe Rhonda.
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> People don't believe their kids are gay, even when
> their kids ARE gay. Heather's guilty look, pretty
> much said it all.
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> Alby: Ha! Gotcher nose!
This is just one of those questions that only time will tell us the answer. If Heather is gay, she is probably afraid of how her (conservative LDS) parents will react. If she is not gay, she is concerned that her parents may not believe her. Sort of a "damned if you do; damned if you don't" situation.
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Re: Episode 04: "Eclipse"
Aug 24, 2007 2:44 AM
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withay,
> It still has not been established that Heather cares
> for Sarah (other than as a BFF) anywhere except in
> Rhonda's blackmailing little mind. Remember, this is
> the little darling who also inferred Bill was abusing
> his daughter. Hopefully, Rhonda's accusations will be
> cleared up this week.
Heather looked too guilty, and scared, for it not to be true. Unless she already has another reason to think her daughter is gay, there is no way Mrs. Tuttle would believe Rhonda.
People don't believe their kids are gay, even when their kids ARE gay. Heather's guilty look, pretty much said it all.
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Re: Episode 04: "Eclipse"
Aug 23, 2007 8:28 AM
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Sorry - replied to an old post. Deleted now...
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Re: Episode 04: "Eclipse"
Oct 9, 2006 12:25 PM
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So I love this episode - the foreboding of the eclipse, the dream, the wolf and Sarah's night out were all great.
But I watched this episode Friday night and noticed something I didn't the first time.
When Roman calls Nicki in to reveal that he knows about her credit card spending (he was a co-signer) and to ask her to undermine Bill regarding the new store - there is a blind guy sitting in the corner while the nurse is helping Roman. Did anyone catch that?
Who is that guy?
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Apr 24, 2006 9:26 PM
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Aren't the ideas and "beliefs" humans come up with to get into heaven merely guesses and theorys, and not facts? I agree with titannia, weird, yes... Selfish, no. but then again, I guess that's only an idea or belief too. Be free to believe what you want.
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Apr 24, 2006 9:08 PM
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leedeegirl,
I've been thinking.
> honestly, i don't see how any self-respecting woman
> could expect to be committed to man 100% and only get
> 33% of HIS commitment ... because that's sure the way
> the polygamy situation looks to me ...
Yeah, that's how I felt about having to share 2 parents with 2 siblings. I didn't like it.
> the idea that you can only get
> into some fabulous kingdom by practicing polygamy is
> pretty freakin' selfish if you ask me
Selfish? I'm not sure about that. It's weird, but it's no weirder than any of the other ideas humans have come up with, for what's required to make it into heaven.
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Apr 24, 2006 9:06 PM
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leedeegirl,
I've been thinking.
> honestly, i don't see how any self-respecting woman
> could expect to be committed to man 100% and only get
> 33% of HIS commitment ... because that's sure the way
> the polygamy situation looks to me ...
Yeah, that's how I felt about having to share 2 parents with 2 siblings. I didn't like it.
> the idea that you can only get
> into some fabulous kingdom by practicing polygamy is
> pretty freakin' selfish if you ask me
Selfish? I'm not sure about that. It's weird, but it's no weirder than any of the other ideas humans have come up with, for what's required to make it into heaven.
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Apr 24, 2006 4:13 PM
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> Wish I was more like Barb. Fear I am 1/2 Nikki, 1/2
> Margene....Nikki's insecurity is familiar ~ not
> fitting in, Margene's desire to be loved and not to
> be alone all familiar. Can't quite get to the
> "greater good" principle that Barb lives.
> Does anyone know if the marriage between Barb and
> Bill was good/strong? Any indication of how they
> were doing with monogamy?
I like the show but have yet to see any character
with whom I identify.
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Apr 24, 2006 12:02 PM
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Wish I was more like Barb. Fear I am 1/2 Nikki, 1/2 Margene....Nikki's insecurity is familiar ~ not fitting in, Margene's desire to be loved and not to be alone all familiar. Can't quite get to the "greater good" principle that Barb lives.
Does anyone know if the marriage between Barb and Bill was good/strong? Any indication of how they were doing with monogamy?
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Apr 23, 2006 2:29 PM
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Which wife are you most like?
I'm probably most like Barb. I've actually been in open relationships where I took care of the new girlfriend, took her out to eat, let her move in with me, borrow my car, eat my food, etc....
My concern for her overrode my concern about who was going to get the guy. She needed a Mom, really. I've also had open relationships where the other women and I hung out and got along great. It's just not that difficult for me. I don't get jealous about sex. I get jealous of computers and comic books--things that eat up time and attention. LOL!
I have a liberal Protestant background, very midwestern, and very PC.
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Apr 23, 2006 3:41 AM
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honestly, i don't see how any self-respecting woman could expect to be committed to man 100% and only get 33% of HIS commitment ... because that's sure the way the polygamy situation looks to me ...
It's always been funny to me how people can only divide. They can't add subtract or multiply in this equasion.
honestly, if i knew that my practice of polygamy would bring about world peace or end starvation or something like that, i'd probably be inclined ... but it's not based on anything like that ... it's based on pleasing some spirit entity and gaining entrance into some blessed place ... and this doesn't even touch on the legal and economic inequities involved
No you wouldn't. You'd still want to go kill yourself first. Who you trying to kid?
Nicki telling Barb she couldn't take a job really frosted my cookies ... if i WERE Barb, i'd tell Nicki and Margene they could HAVE Bill
Yeah, and then she says, "we are a team, you can't go making decisions that affect the rest of us without talking about it first." Meanwhile, she is hiding a huge credit card debt. The very nerve.
Bottom line though, you have the Love or you don't. So no Big Love for you. That's fine.
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f women want to put themselves second, third, etc to some principle, why should i give a rat's butt? it's my opinion that they lack self-esteem and the individuality and fortitude to go find their own relationship
You couldn't be more wrong actually. This pecking order sleeping arrangement thing isn't really how it is at all. It's only more of the spin. Good grief, if that was what it was all there was to it, it wouldn't work for sure.
And I only meant, In the relationship you wouldn't be missed. Yer the one who thinks you'd rather be dead than unselfish. Not me.
But I appereciate your openmindedness. Honest.
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i see ... so i am "selfish" because i am willing to give myself 100% to someone and expect it in return?
honestly, i don't see how any self-respecting woman could expect to be committed to man 100% and only get 33% of HIS commitment ... because that's sure the way the polygamy situation looks to me ... and let's be honest, polygamy situations, generally, involve one man and multiple women ... not the other way around ... and as far as living a "principle" goes, what exactly is so principled about it? you wanna talk about "selfish" ... the idea that you can only get into some fabulous kingdom by practicing polygamy is pretty freakin' selfish if you ask me ... honestly, if i knew that my practice of polygamy would bring about world peace or end starvation or something like that, i'd probably be inclined ... but it's not based on anything like that ... it's based on pleasing some spirit entity and gaining entrance into some blessed place ... and this doesn't even touch on the legal and economic inequities involved ... Nicki telling Barb she couldn't take a job really frosted my cookies ... if i WERE Barb, i'd tell Nicki and Margene they could HAVE Bill ...
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Apr 23, 2006 2:59 AM
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f women want to put themselves second, third, etc to some principle, why should i give a rat's butt? it's my opinion that they lack self-esteem and the individuality and fortitude to go find their own relationship
You couldn't be more wrong actually. This pecking order sleeping arrangement thing isn't really how it is at all. It's only more of the spin. Good grief, if that was what it was all there was to it, it wouldn't work for sure.
And I only meant, In the relationship you wouldn't be missed. Yer the one who thinks you'd rather be dead than unselfish. Not me.
But I appereciate your openmindedness. Honest.
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