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Season Two premiere. In the aftermath of her "Mother of the Year" exposure at the Governor's mansion, Barb retreats into her own world, leaving Nicki and Margene to take up the slack.
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Re: Episode 13: Damage Control
Jun 12, 2007 8:54 PM
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> It's gonna be a great season!
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> Did anyone else LOL when Roman said something like
> (paraphrasing) "Those greedy perverts make the rest
> of us look bad." HA HA Hello kettle, this is the pot
> speaking...
**MUSE**
LOL I was laughing too! Since he has Rhonda waiting in the wings for her birthday to come around so she can marry him and she's currently promised to him at 14.
She doesn't want to be. This was made obvious last season. She tried to get to live with Barb.
Is this being done against her will???
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Re: Episode 13: Damage Control
Jun 12, 2007 8:50 PM
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> Lisapk, if all you say about the 'bare shoulders' is
> true then KUDO's to a Mormon woman for proving they
> really DO have a mind of their own!! This men having
> all the control over women is utter nonsense - much
> like the countries where woman must remained almost
> totally enshrouded in miles and miles of clothing.
> It's about time these women wise up and realize they
> y are NOT 2nd class citizens and were NOT put on this
> earth to be sub-serviant to ANYONE.
**MUSE**
It's not about controlling the woman. It's out of self respect. Modesty. Plus LDS wear the undergarments (aka "Mormon underwear" as known by many) that can be seen if wearing too short shirts, shorts, or skirts.
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Re: Episode 13: Damage Control
Jun 12, 2007 8:48 PM
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> I live, love,and work in SLC, I descend from solid
> Mormon handcart stock and have never been a Mormon
> (dad was) and I think the show is great! However,
> Jeannie keeps appearing in sleeveless clothes which
> does not coaleace with the show's normally
> well-researched details. A Morman (fundamental or
> not) married woman would never bare her
> shoulders! Even those of us outside (but in on the
> nuances of Mormon cummunity standards) know a woman
> will be judged harshly for just showing shoulders, as
> a teacher, I was written up for it. We know not to
> show up at a job interview or any questionable social
> situation where Mormons(or fundamentalists) might
> have influence,with shoulders bared. Just thought you
> should know, otherwise, the show is right on!
> LisaK
Lisa- I too work and live in Utah, love it-Sorry, No. But I agree with you. In Utah I wouldn't see Mormon/LDS or FLDS woman wearing any type of sleeveless shirt. Something like Margene's shirts with the small sleeves, yes, I'd see those, but very rare to see them in sleeveless clothing. I see Margene wear more revealing clothing, occasionally, Barb will too.
Plus always wearing shorts to the knees, never shorter. Anything shorter wouldn't be done. Plus the Mormon undergarments ('Mormon underwear') would be seen in short shirts or shorts.
Is Barb wearing the Mormon undergarments? Since she was LDS? Do FLDS wear them?
**MUSE**
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Re: Episode 13: Damage Control
Jun 12, 2007 8:42 PM
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> Is this the thread for the first episode of the new
> season that aired tonight?
>
> Wow, things got a lot more intense this season
>
> Looks like Joey is going be blackmailed by Roman,
>
****MUSE: This stuff with Joey on this episode and the future episodes is going to make for some great drama but some people are going to be getting hurt.****
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> Barb's decision to come back seemed sort of out of
> character and out of nowhere. She seemed so
> determined that she wasnt the person she used to be,
> then a minute later, she comes back into the house
> and comes home
****MUSE: Barb really loves her family. I'm not surprised that she came back but I'm sure they'll be some changes to make sure this doesn't happen again.*****
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> The Wendy character is interesting, but a pain in the
> ass, no?
****MUSE: Wendy verbally acted like a 'know-it-all' towards Bill. I'm surprised Bill didn't tell her he knows she went through his personal wills. And that she's got access to all his other personal files. Bill needs to make sure she has no access any longer to any of his personal matters and continue to monitor her..legally. She's a danger.****
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Re: Episode 13: Damage Control
Jun 12, 2007 8:37 PM
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I was pretty upset that Barb caved so quickly. I thought it was totally a waste of what could have been a struggle to carry through a few more episodes. But whoever posted the below is right:
"But, its true to form for her. Whatever we understand of her character her attachment to Bill overrides her integrity. I think it was the realization she leaves he stays with the others. Sad though...but that is the character."
Her integrity has been demolished at this point. And I would have liked to see Nikki fight for first wife. Isn't that what she wanted all along??? But now she actually wanted Barb to come back?? I don't know, overall I think the episode was kinda disappointing. I hope they make up for it with the rest of the season.
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Re: Episode 13: Damage Control
Jun 12, 2007 8:34 PM
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HBO this is for you!
You need to yell at DirectTV!
Either their descriptions of the shows or the listing of the people starring in your shows is either hardly there or not there at all!
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Re: Episode 13: Damage Control
Jun 12, 2007 8:27 PM
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> "Ben being at the mens prayer thing freaked me out. I
> hate children being sucked into cults."
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> In response to your post, people can pray in a group
> and not be in a cult. Also, Ben is past the age of
> accountability and can make a religous choice of his
> own. And no, I am not LDS.
I agree they can. And actually, I must concede that there is no evidence really that the prayer group represented a cult. However, teenagers are children and I think Ben is supposed to be 16 or 17? I dunno, the Moonies and Hare Krishas, and the Mormon's still, target teens and young college age adults. It seems to be an age of vulnerability for cult think.
But I may have just hated seeing Ben siding with his Dad, and the polygamy, when his mother was in such distress. I think that accounts for my ill thought out response. I was thrilled to see Sarah go to the ex mormon support group, and I hope if a REAL Sarah went to one she would be treated better.
I am hopping over to the ex mormon board on that thought...I am sure they are discussing THAT.
Thanks for pointing out where I was wrong. I hate being wrong.
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Re: Episode 13: Damage Control
Jun 12, 2007 8:19 PM
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Posted: Jun 12, 2007 10:36 AM (48 of 80)
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It's shameful that Mormon BOYS are being indoctrinated into this sexual free for all (and that's what it is for the Mormon men) and that the Morman GIRLS think it's ok. It's all about the men being able 'to do' a variety of women all in the name of religion - and nothing can convince me otherwise.
I am no fan of any type of Mormonism BUT
LDS (Mormon ) the mainstream ones the boys are encouraged to be chaste until marraige and monogamous. Just like the girls.
The FLDS ( the Warren Jeffs/Roman Grants) are the polygamists. As Roman bragged to the cops adhering the Joseph Smith's original teachings.
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Re: Episode 13: Damage Control
Jun 12, 2007 7:44 PM
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"Because that way, you make the maximum number of babies. Instead of making one wife pregnant, and waiting 9 months to be able to do it again, while you're waiting you can get all the other wives pregnant too. It's the same reason they only keep one bull or rooster, to breed all the females. It's cheaper and you get more livestock."
Hi! I'm new to the boards. Referring to the quote above....when I was in college I learned about the overpopulation of the planet and the threat of diminishing resources. So the idea - to have as many children as possible - seems to me also to be a justification for men to have multiple women. To tell the truth, before I saw this show I did not even know this was actually happening in the U.S. (the way that it is, i.e. cults, etc.) I live in California and the subject just hasn't come up for me before.....
The scene with Nicki and Margene in the car on the cell phone having the heated conversation with Bill....the BEST! Nicki is so entertaining! She really makes this show for me.
After watching this show....I fantasize about multiple husbands.....
I probably wouldn't want to share them though.....
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Re: Episode 13: Damage Control
Jun 12, 2007 7:17 PM
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> >
> > this is the same kind of argument people make to
> > justify the exclusion of gays from marraige
> > rights!
> > just because something is legal doesnt mean
> > everyone
> > will want to do it. not everyone is one religion
> > right? i also doubt people aren't practicing
> > polygamy
> > simply because its illegal; if it is your
> > religious
> > belief that polygamy is the only path to heaven,
> > then
> > silly laws are not going to stop you. so
> > legalizing
> > it will not dramatically increase the practice of
> > it.
>
> You are way off base here. It isn't even remotely the
> same kind of argument that is used to opposes gay
> marriage or civil union rights.
>
> I did not say that government allowing the practice
> of polygamy would increase the practice of it. I said
> the government (in this case, state governments) has
> an overriding interest in banning it because of its
> negative influence on society (imbalances between the
> number of available men and women), resulting
> criminal behavior (young men being forced from their
> homes at a young age, welfare fraud) and increase in
> poverty (it takes a lot of money to feed, clothe and
> shelter these large families).
i didn't say it was the MAIN argument, i said it was A argument...i have heard it many times from ignorant individuals. Also, if the state legalized polygamy and it wouldn't increase the overall practice of polygamy, then why does the state have an interest in banning it? there are already practicing polygamists and i don't see any overall social problems occuring, when do you think was the last national election where it was a main topic of debate was?
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Re: Episode 13: Damage Control
Jun 12, 2007 7:01 PM
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> I repost on this thread..
> [url]
> http://boards.hbo.com/thread.jspa?threadID=700010530[/
> url]
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> because it seems as though no one whats to talk about
> the episode on this thread.
TurboGirl, you'll have to forgive us - the people talking about other subjects have been discussing this stuff ever since the last season ended. Don't worry - the conversation will turn to the show.
In the meantime, the best way to get discussion going is to post something about the episode, as you did a couple of pages back.
Btw, I thought Barb did some pretty quick thinking about why Margie had "broken up" with the neighbors - explaining both the break-up and the pregnancy in one sentence.
Does anybody think that term "broken up" was an odd one to use in the circumstances? It almost suggested potential bigamy with the neighbors - as if you can't just be friends, it has to be more intense.
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Re: Episode 13: Damage Control
Jun 12, 2007 6:49 PM
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> > My libertarian ideals tell me that the government
> > should stay out of the private and religious lives
> of
> > its citizens, but think for a moment what would
> > happen if polygamy were the norm in this country.
> > Approximately half the population is male and the
> > other half is female. If every man were sought 3,4
> or
> > 5 wives, there would not be enough women to go
> > around. It would also mean that a majority of men
> > would never have a chance of being married or even
> > have much chance of having a girlfriend.
>
> this is the same kind of argument people make to
> justify the exclusion of gays from marraige rights!
> just because something is legal doesnt mean everyone
> will want to do it. not everyone is one religion
> right? i also doubt people aren't practicing polygamy
> simply because its illegal; if it is your religious
> belief that polygamy is the only path to heaven, then
> silly laws are not going to stop you. so legalizing
> it will not dramatically increase the practice of it.
You are way off base here. It isn't even remotely the same kind of argument that is used to opposes gay marriage or civil union rights.
I did not say that government allowing the practice of polygamy would increase the practice of it. I said the government (in this case, state governments) has an overriding interest in banning it because of its negative influence on society (imbalances between the number of available men and women), resulting criminal behavior (young men being forced from their homes at a young age, welfare fraud) and increase in poverty (it takes a lot of money to feed, clothe and shelter these large families).
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Re: Episode 13: Damage Control
Jun 12, 2007 6:26 PM
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I'm pissed. I wanted Barb to hold out to make Bill make a choice. But she caved. Please, this series can't just continue to show all the women accepting this lifestyle. Barb is the only one I had faith in that would take a stand.
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Re: Episode 13: Damage Control
Jun 12, 2007 5:52 PM
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My favorite two characters were in this episode, Don Embry and Adelaid. Don Embry has such a big heart, and he was concerned about Wendy's cat. It was so sweet. And Adelaid actually seemed concerned about her daughter for once. Normally I like her because she seems to be the only one on the show who is happy with her life. Everyone else is full of issues. But she just goes about her business. But it was nice to have her show a little bit of sympathy for Nicki, even if it was to arrange for Wendy to get harrased.
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