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Home Plus billboards have been defaced, leading Bill and Don to scramble for repairs and a rethinking of Bill's public face on Home Plus. When Barb registers for college courses, her check bounces; the culprit turns out to be Nicki. At Juniper Creek, Joey finds himself caught between a rock and a hard place, driving him to fall off the wagon and sending Nicki (accompanied by Margene) on a remedial trip to the compound. Rebuked by Roman, Alby looks to settle his vendetta by approaching the D.A.'s office. Now working at Home Plus, Ben comes clean to Brynn about his family, while Sarah is caught in a lie with Scott. In the midst of crises, Bill and Barb forget Nicki's anniversary, and Joey makes a decision that will have far-ranging implications.
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> Does Anyone know when and if season 3 is really goin
> to start? I hear maybe June or July, but why so late?
That's about normal time for thsi show. Last year I think it was the beginning of August. It may be later because of the strike this year. Why? Probably because quality TV takes longer. Also because of a shorter season than network it is longer between seasons so we suffer withdrawal more.
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Does Anyone know when and if season 3 is really goin to start? I hear maybe June or July, but why so late?
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Re: Episode 14: The Writing On The Wall
Dec 22, 2007 12:18 AM
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wurk,
I'm glad you said that--about not letting religion get in the way of making a buck. That's what's happening with Bill & Weber Gaming.
His religion is important enough that he's got to marry three wives, but not important enough for him to just tighten his belt and re-think his business structure.
You're right that the social stigma thing is really only a concern in how it affects the business, where Don & Bill are concerned. But the women and children are VERY vulnerable where it comes to social concerns.
Like Teenie needing to be a Trendsetter.
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Re: Episode 14: The Writing On The Wall
Dec 21, 2007 8:53 PM
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> Actually, I think it is more of the business
> implications because of the social stigma that Bill
> and Don are afraid of. They are afraid they will not
> be able to support their families. If the family was
> "shunned" but people still did business with
> HomePlus, I don't think Bill would care at all.
Sad but true.
It's always been one of the major criticisms of Mormonism; that they would never let religion get in the way of making a buck.
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Re: Episode 14: The Writing On The Wall
Dec 21, 2007 7:14 PM
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Titannia said:
"Which so far they have. Although it's clear that Bill & Don fear being "outed," it's social stigma, more than any legal repercussions, that really scares them. So far they have way more to fear from rival polygamist clans, than from the law."
Actually, I think it is more of the business implications because of the social stigma that Bill and Don are afraid of. They are afraid they will not be able to support their families. If the family was "shunned" but people still did business with HomePlus, I don't think Bill would care at all.
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Re: Episode 14: The Writing On The Wall
Dec 21, 2007 11:10 AM
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> > On another topic, did Big Love ever present the
> > efforts by the government to harass and
> persecute
> > people who were in PM without punishing those
> who do
> > the same thing for non-religious reasons
> (adultery,
> > wife-swapping, whatever)?
I think there was even a scene where Bill was talking to the police, or city commissioner, and they told him, "just keep your hands off underage girls and don't commit welfare fraud, and we leave you alone."
Which so far they have. Although it's clear that Bill & Don fear being "outed," it's social stigma, more than any legal repercussions, that really scares them. So far they have way more to fear from rival polygamist clans, than from the law.
As for the social stigma, Barb so far has gotten the worst of it--losing her teaching job, her relationship with her LDS family, and her sense of how she fits into all of this.
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Re: Episode 14: The Writing On The Wall
Dec 17, 2007 12:19 PM
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They do insinuate that if the police find (found) out, that there would be consequences to their lifestyle.
Don & Bill have had many conversations about what could happen if the police find out about their polygamous lifestyles.
Remember when Sarah became friends with the Heather, whose Dad is a police officer. And he knocked on the Henrickson's door. And Barb/Bill panicked that their daughter's friend was in fact a policeman in uniform who came to the door to pick up his daughter.
While the 2 girls share the secret that polygamy is practiced in the Henrickson's household. And to me it is very probable that Heather's Dad has figured it out? Especially since Barb's talk with him about her goals with Sarah and her religious future being with the LDS. I'm sure that he must have noticed the large dining table etc. But I somehow get the feeling that since his daughter is Sarah's friend and there does stand a chance to get the family to convert to LDS; then he figures that this may be the priority rather than arresting them all for polygamy. Maybe he figures, don't ask, don't tell will work better- for now.
And then of course, there's the fact that they have hidden this secret from the neighbor Pam, across the street. Until the last episodes. When Barb decided to tell anyone/everyone, since she had a revelation about no more secrets........
Now that it's out there, it'll be interesting to see what happens with this info in season 3.
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Re: Episode 14: The Writing On The Wall
Dec 17, 2007 8:57 AM
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> On another topic, did Big Love ever present the
> efforts by the government to harass and persecute
> people who were in PM without punishing those who do
> the same thing for non-religious reasons (adultery,
> wife-swapping, whatever)? I ask this because I was,
> as you may know, a police officer in both the
> civilian and military fields and no one went after
> the adulterers, wife-swappers, etc... I saw this
> first hand, not just in my personal situation, but in
> the way the government approached others.
I don't think the show has covered that yet, though I wouldn't be surprised if it becomes a theme in the future. In general, they have not suggested that government agencies would harass people like Bill, who live polygamously in the suburbs, but they do go after the "compound" leaders, because of other crimes like welfare fraud. They make it clear that the people in the "compound" live in fear of being raided.
They do place a lot of emphasis on the social stigma that polygamists face these days.
And thank you, friend8usa, for opening up your posts with white space. It makes them much easier to read.
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Re: Episode 14: The Writing On The Wall
Dec 17, 2007 4:30 AM
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friend8usa said:
> On another topic, did Big Love ever present the
> efforts by the government to harass and persecute
> people who were in PM without punishing those who do
> the same thing for non-religious reasons (adultery,
> wife-swapping, whatever)? I ask this because I was,
> as you may know, a police officer in both the
> civilian and military fields and no one went after
> the adulterers, wife-swappers, etc... I saw this
> first hand, not just in my personal situation, but in
> the way the government approached others.
I don't think Big love has said a lot about those comparisons, though I think Nikki may have referrred to them. However, here on the board we have discussed the subject with varying opinions.
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Re: Episode 14: The Writing On The Wall
Dec 16, 2007 10:32 PM
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Dear Withay:
You are absolutely right. Ecclesiastical tyranny is not the private venue of Mormon Fundamentalist Cults/Sects, but is evident across a wide spectrum of organized religion. That is why I remained what they call "independent," even now shunning not only those groups but any formal religious organization. I may have associated with members of the groups on a social level, or even occassionally attended a meeting, but I never formally joined any of them. That, by the way, is the case with the majority of those invoved in PM. I would say that only 30% or less of those in PM are associated with the "groups."
To me, the organization should provide the basics, the guideposts, the example, etc... Too often, it puts itself in the place of God, acting as if its decrees and dogmas are God's, demanding obedience rather than true conversion in the face of spiritual awe. That point, actually, has been the main focus of nearly all my writing. It is most evident in my approach in "The Crimson Thread."
PM has its roots not in the mention of what most people believe is the first polygynist in the Bible, Lamech (Gen 4:19), but in even more ancient orders. It is even hidden in the very Hebrew of the Torah itself. But, like anything of power, it can be used for high purposes, or it can be abused, or its requirements can overcome those of the best of intentions (I definitely fall in the latter category).
On another topic, did Big Love ever present the efforts by the government to harass and persecute people who were in PM without punishing those who do the same thing for non-religious reasons (adultery, wife-swapping, whatever)? I ask this because I was, as you may know, a police officer in both the civilian and military fields and no one went after the adulterers, wife-swappers, etc... I saw this first hand, not just in my personal situation, but in the way the government approached others.
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Re: Episode 14: The Writing On The Wall
Dec 16, 2007 4:34 PM
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friend8usa;
Welcome from me as well and please do continue to post as many of us here (myself included) find the subject fascinating. I have enjoyed reading things from your prospective.
As you say there are two sides to every story (if not more) and many of us here love to delve into all available sides!
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Re: Episode 14: The Writing On The Wall
Dec 16, 2007 8:08 AM
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friend8usa said:
"The main character (Bill Paxton's character), as far as I can tell because I really did not watch any single episode all the way through, really seemed to be true to form. He apparently had ties to groups, but tried to pull away from them (the group was certainly based of the Colorado City/Jeffs people).
In other words, it seems that the show was able to present the troubles faced by a man who wanted to have a plural family but remain aloof from the control of the groups. "
But wouldn't this be true of any type of family who tried to break away from a group that tried to maintain control of individuals? Polygyny would not have to have a part at all.
I am thinking of a "church" that is active in Titannia's hometown as an example. Their leader thinks he and his followers are the only people who will enter heaven. If you and your family were part of them and then broke away, you would have the same types of issues that Bill and family are having.
And thanks for taking Marion's suggestion. Your post is much easier for these old eyes to read. 
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Re: Episode 14: The Writing On The Wall
Dec 16, 2007 2:27 AM
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Dear Marionj2:
Thank you for explaining why the white spacing between paragraphs is preferable for you on this type of site. That makes a great deal of sense to me.
As you can probably tell, I do not involve myself with these kinds of forums mainly for the situations I have already encountered. The topic tends to be ignored by some in favor of some other agenda.
However, back to Big Love and my own experiences, I am absolutely amazed the program was on at all. The main character (Bill Paxton's character), as far as I can tell because I really did not watch any single episode all the way through, really seemed to be true to form. He apparently had ties to groups, but tried to pull away from them (the group was certainly based of the Colorado City/Jeffs people).
In other words, it seems that the show was able to present the troubles faced by a man who wanted to have a plural family but remain aloof from the control of the groups. Throughout the world, polygyny (in particular) is a lifestyle not even necessarily linked to a religious tenet. When it is linked to a religious reason, it actually becomes more difficult and complicated because there are other expectations, especially from the wives, and certainly from leaders if groups are involved.
Thanks for your patience and interest.
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Re: Episode 14: The Writing On The Wall
Dec 15, 2007 11:52 AM
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Look, this is a quick discussion page, not a place for a thesis. If you have something constructive to say on the topics at hand, do that. Otherwise, learn the rules you so much desire to point out to others.
I'm not asking for perfect English, if you understood my cavalier style you'd see the humor instead if being offended, and maybe even go ahead and use a paragraph for the benefit of the literary challenged like me, so we can read it, but I realize that being stubborn is your trademark.
From your name dropping rant, one would almost get the impression that these elite academics don't have much interest in each others work, or they hire staffers to sort through it and deduce the salient points for them. I cant imagine them having the time and patience to sift through volumes of stuff (by other academics) written like that.
We live and learn. I had no idea that the academics write illegibly and deliberately make things difficult to follow when they are communicating informally. I guess it weeds out the insincere? It makes it impossible to scan or speed read it... so I guess it makes sense.
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Re: Episode 14: The Writing On The Wall
Dec 15, 2007 8:43 AM
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friend8usa, while I think Wurks' comment was a little hostile, I do have trouble reading your posts because of the lack of space between paragraphs.
I think reading text on the screen is a little more difficult than reading it on paper, so we really need the white space. This is not an academic arena, after all.
Communication is not just a matter of getting the thought out there, it's a matter of persuading the reader to read it. And that's where the white space comes in.
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