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Nicki stares down an uncertain future; Barb faces excommunication; Bill reconsiders his hard-line position on Roman.
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Re: Episode 33: Outer Darkness
Mar 18, 2009 7:34 AM
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Sneaky Nicki doesn't want to get pregnant. She likely let Barb keep the pills she found and refilled her prescription. She's made it pretty clear that she doesn't want to have another child with Bill and seemed ready to go the next step with Ray.
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Re: Episode 33: Outer Darkness
Mar 18, 2009 7:06 AM
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It crossed my mind, too, that Nikki may be pregnant and find out after the sealing, guess we'll have to wait and see. Or, maybe Bill didn't, you know because he just wanted sex and did not want her to become pregnant. I imagine next season Nikki will be living somewhere, either in an apt or with Alby and she will visit the kids which is how she will still be around in the show. Considering how betrayed Bill and Barb feel, I'd be suprised if they changed their mind.
Nikki has always been bitchy, a liar, and self-centered. Yet, her storyline is the most interesting this season and has made me more sympathetic towards her. Maybe this experience will change her for the better. I can't wait until next season already to see how the dynamics of the family will be. No matter how the season ends, I will want to see more of the family, more of Sarah and Scott, more of Ben, more of Ray, and even more of Ana who dodged a major bullet by getting out of this marriage. And it looks like we will have to wait a whole year before we get our Big Love fix!
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Re: Episode 33: Outer Darkness
Mar 18, 2009 6:18 AM
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My theory is that Bill and Nicki will be unsealed, but the gratuitous goodbye sex results in Nicki being pregnant. I'm assuming she's off birth control, but even if she isn't, she didn't have the pills with her when she spent that time on the compound.
This way, the show can explore an unsealing and what that means for the LDS in terms of eternity. Then the baby gives them the excuse for resealing.
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Re: Episode 33: Outer Darkness
Mar 17, 2009 10:08 PM
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> >
> > At least if Nikki is unsealed, that opens the
> door
> > for Ray. And as unlikely as that may seem, I
> know
> > there are a lot of starved romantics out there
> who
> > would love to see it. This family deserves
> something
> > good happen to them for a change, and I hope to
> see
> > Nikki evolve into someone who takes control of
> her
> > own destiny....ironically, I think she is the
> better
> > role model for Sarah and they have a lot of
> nice
> > scenes together.
>
> I have heard this mentioned before about Ray and
> Nicky being romantic. I just think their story is a
> very good one. It has moments of romance but it is
> also very dramatic.
>
> What I like to see is some realism and that is what
> Ray and Nicki offers. I have read several times more
> than i can count, ex mormons or mormons marrying
> outside of their faith. Also mormons who have left
> the very sam lifestyle that Nicki is in and found
> happiness. So to me Ray and Nicki's story is one that
> is rooted in realism.
>
> At times I find the way HBO depicts polygamy with
> bill totally unrealsitic. Like these woman are just
> so accepting of polygamy. And they have no problem
> with the idea that a man can have several loves and
> they are only bound to one or none if the marriage is
> arranged.
>
> I understand that they are showing an alternative
> lifestyle but let's see an alternative to the
> alternative.
Dede:
It is only difficult for you to believe because you have not been exposed to it. There are many women who are "so accepting" of a polygamous lifestyle, and not only mormons but people who practice other religions that are Eastern and African as well. HBO should not present an alternative to the altenative because the very society in which we live is an alternative to the altenative. I think that people who believe as I do should also have a program for once that reflects our lifestyle. Why not?
There are issues that I have with the familiy's behavior just as I have issues with the behavior in many monogamous families. There are many monagamous families whom I really admire and who in spite of trials and tribulations they have stuck it out and stayed together in spite of life's challenges. The same is true of many polygamous families that I know.
In American culture we have forgotten to put our children first. What happens to Nikki's children if she decides to run off with Ray. I would rather have seen her have a secret and I admit immoral affair and treasure the memory! Nikki has already separated from one child I don't think she would be willing to separate from her other children. How do we know that Bill would keep his promise to "keep the children in all of our lives".
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Re: Episode 33: Outer Darkness
Mar 17, 2009 7:56 PM
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If anyone watches that video and listens to the song (which is pretty damned cool actually) I wonder if you're wondering (like me) if it's an interesting metaphor for a lot of the things that happen on Big Love.
For example, is Bill a tender hearted woman or the snake? Personally, I think he's a snake who thinks he's the tender hearted woman. But if you follow his arc he's well on the way to being the next Roman. Just look at the wreckage he leaves in his wake and he's unaware as he barrels his way on to his own glory.
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Re: Episode 33: Outer Darkness
Mar 17, 2009 7:42 PM
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I sooo do not get people thinking Nicki is a decent character who should meet the right guy and be happy. Dramatically she's a most interesting one to be sure! But, on a personal level, she reminds me of nothing so much as that song about the snake and the tender woman.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sXRRB-pG-M&feature=related
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Re: Episode 33: Outer Darkness
Mar 17, 2009 6:42 PM
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I just want Nicki to be with someone who will respect her and really love her. I was really pulling for Nicki to make a break and finally get a chance at some happiness. But, since her relationship with Ray was based on a lie, I didn?t hold out much hope that Ray would be the man to save her. I do have to say that I was very angry about the break-up sex Bill had with Nic knowing all the while he wanted to be unsealed. What a jerk.
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Re: Episode 33: Outer Darkness
Mar 17, 2009 6:04 PM
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I admit it. I am addicted to "Big Love"
One thing that nags me about the last episode is, if Cindy really felt that Barb no longer cared for the church, then why did Cindy report Barb to the Bishop? Ideas?
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Re: Episode 33: Outer Darkness
Mar 17, 2009 5:46 PM
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> I have not watched Big Love from the beginning, only
> here and there. I have enjoyed the show, but I find
> that they blur the lines between groups under the
> "Mormon" umbrella. I think that the writers have
> been very tactless in this episode to air and suggest
> things that are very sacred. I think the show's
> creators only long for shock value and controversy
> and have no respect for what any of the groups
> actually believe.
Let's face it, there are a number of variants but all the people who follow Joseph Smith and use his revelation are Mormons -- the US Supreme Court said so when the CoJCoLDS tried to get a copyright on the name "Mormon". HBO didn't do that and it isn't fair to pin it on them.
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Re: Episode 33: Outer Darkness
Mar 17, 2009 5:44 PM
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> > If anyone should be un-sealed it should be Barb;
> > and her sister Cindy. Cindy needs to be taken down
> > a couple of notches.
> Yes, Cindy is a typical 'holier than thou' bi-atch.
> However, a man and woman are sealed so that they can
> be together for all eternity. Cindy is not sealed to
> Barb; they are sisters.
But aren't they both sealed to their common father? That would make them as much linked in the eternities as they are on Earth, no?
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Re: Episode 33: Outer Darkness
Mar 17, 2009 5:10 PM
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I have not watched Big Love from the beginning, only here and there. I have enjoyed the show, but I find that they blur the lines between groups under the "Mormon" umbrella. I think that the writers have been very tactless in this episode to air and suggest things that are very sacred. I think the show's creators only long for shock value and controversy and have no respect for what any of the groups actually believe.
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Re: Episode 33: Outer Darkness
Mar 17, 2009 4:49 PM
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>
> If anyone should be un-sealed it should be Barb and
> her sister Cindy. Cindy needs to be taken down a
> couple of notches.
Yes, Cindy is a typical 'holier than thou' bi-atch.
However, a man and woman are sealed so that they can be together for all eternity. Cindy is not sealed to Barb; they are sisters.
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Re: Episode 33: Outer Darkness
Mar 17, 2009 4:47 PM
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>
> At least if Nikki is unsealed, that opens the door
> for Ray. And as unlikely as that may seem, I know
> there are a lot of starved romantics out there who
> would love to see it. This family deserves something
> good happen to them for a change, and I hope to see
> Nikki evolve into someone who takes control of her
> own destiny....ironically, I think she is the better
> role model for Sarah and they have a lot of nice
> scenes together.
I have heard this mentioned before about Ray and Nicky being romantic. I just think their story is a very good one. It has moments of romance but it is also very dramatic.
What I like to see is some realism and that is what Ray and Nicki offers. I have read several times more than i can count, ex mormons or mormons marrying outside of their faith. Also mormons who have left the very sam lifestyle that Nicki is in and found happiness. So to me Ray and Nicki's story is one that is rooted in realism.
At times I find the way HBO depicts polygamy with bill totally unrealsitic. Like these woman are just so accepting of polygamy. And they have no problem with the idea that a man can have several loves and they are only bound to one or none if the marriage is arranged.
I understand that they are showing an alternative lifestyle but let's see an alternative to the alternative.
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Re: Episode 33: Outer Darkness
Mar 17, 2009 4:46 PM
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> Why didn't Bill tell Joey that IF there evidence is
> discovered that he had a hand in Cathy's death, that
> he would bring up charges? I know that Bill made a
> deal with him NOW, but Roman is not completely off
> the hook. That would have made Joey feel better, but
> Joey is pissed off because he does not know this
> VITAL piece of information! I hope he does not do
> something stupid as a result...he already yelled at
> Bill that they are no longer brothers.
Yes, and don't forget that Ray told Bill that there is an open investigation on him and others in his family "upstairs" ... heh heh heh.
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Re: Episode 33: Outer Darkness
Mar 17, 2009 4:43 PM
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> I can't help but wonder- was Nikki forced to marry
> Bill to forward Roman's plans? Is it possible she
> doesn't want to be married to him either?
>
> I'm sure it's sad for any marriage to end, but maybe
> that's why she is willing to risk her marriage time
> and again for what Roman wants. She places Roman
> before Bill in her list of priorities.
>
> Also, oddly, I like Alby now. I like that he and his
> sister are developing a stronger bond.
Since Bill paid Roman a good deal of money in order to have a wife just in case Barb died from her cancer, I doubt Nicki cared one way or the other about "marrying" Bill. Please don't forget that Bill spent his first, I believe, 14 years on the Compound until - like most of the FLDS males - he was run off with nowhere to go. However, probably to keep the story going, HBO will have Nicki returned to Bill because it was simply a financial transaction anyway. It's sad that she has a daughter from her first 'sealing' ... I hope we get to see them interact in Season 4.
About Alby: I like him, too! Weird, huh?
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