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Re: ABCNews 20/20 Bizarre Accident
Apr 11, 2009 12:57 PM
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> No, I think it had more to do with her enormous life> insurance policy. If they'd never remarried, that's> $400,000 he wouldn't get. But if they remarried and> then she died, jackpot!
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> And she submitted to it because her children would> benefit from this fortune.
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I'm not quite sure I agree with your logic. . .
What makes you think tha he would get the life insurance automatically, just because "they remarried" or that he would not get it just because they divorced or separated. Did she change the Beneficiary when they separated/divorced? Did she change it again when they reconciled/remarried?
Also. . .why would her children not benefit from her life insurance if she died married or divorced. . .
It would all come down to who was the beneficiary. . .and there is no way that there would not have been a named beneficiary on a life insurance policy. . .If it were the children, and they were still minors, then there would have been someone named as administrator or conservator for the children, and it she had no one she could trust, the lawyer would probably step into this role. Or, the money could have been earmarked from the beginning, towards certain things. . .College education, trust fund, etc. In that case, he would not have gotten a penny either way. . .
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Re: ABCNews 20/20 Bizarre Accident
Apr 11, 2009 8:52 AM
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I, too, missed that show. I'll see if I can find it on Hulu.
About suicide -- when I was a Mormon I often heard it said that the lowest level of heaven, the Telestial Kingdom-- was so wonderful that if people understood that, they would kill themselves just to obtain it.
Of course this was not to encourage taking one's life. It was said to inspire us to work really hard to obtain the Celestial Kingdom which was exponentially better than the Telestial.
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Re: ABCNews 20/20 Bizarre Accident
Apr 4, 2009 3:13 PM
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> Hey CQ, where've you been?
> I see what you are saying, I think... that neither
> Faylene or her husband valued her life very much. In
> fact, so little , that they did things that put her
> in danger of "accidentally" dying.
Working! Some might think I'm nuts opening a new office/business right now but I'm determined and I've had some sucsess.
You're right she nor her husband seemed to value her life. But I can't understand why she had discussions/letters with so mny people about her obsession that she would be dead soon yet nobody found it troubling.
Her attitude in the quote I posted was very reminicent of Wanda thinking she would jump in the pool and God would either cause her to die or be saved. She completely relinquished any and all responsibility for herself and her very life in some misgiuded attempt to please God and stop her inner pain. At least that's how I saw it.
The same with this poor woman. Obsessed with being more "Christ-like" and hoping to offer herself as some sort of sacrifice to make up for her imperfections. Her "cure" would either cure or kill her but it made her feel more holy. Too bad she didn't get help for her depression and feelings of imperfection instead of feedng them.
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Re: ABCNews 20/20 Bizarre Accident
Apr 4, 2009 2:45 PM
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Hey CQ, where've you been?
I see what you are saying, I think... that neither Faylene or her husband valued her life very much. In fact, so little , that they did things that put her in danger of "accidentally" dying.
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Re: ABCNews 20/20 Bizarre Accident
Apr 4, 2009 12:51 PM
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This part of the Phoenix News story really reminded me of Wanda's dive into the pool.
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Another of her journal entries around that time bears scrutiny:
"What if I were on a plane and an emergency situation came up? What if I hadn't listened to the pre-flight instructions and thus it took me too long to learn them now in this present time of need to save my life and what if I died?
"Some may say my death was punishment for not listening or . . . just a coincidental happening resulting from the fact that I didn't listen and therefore couldn't save my life in time. But I say simply, it was my purpose to die at that time or these circumstances would not have led to my death ? some other circumstances would have led to the continuation of my life."
Perhaps, if Doug Grant isn't guilty, Faylene didn't intend to kill herself by taking the Ambien before she drowned. Instead, akin to her fantasy about dying on the plane, she simply swallowed the pills, stepped into the bathtub, and put the rest in God's hands.
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Creepy and so sad! No one got her the help she so obviousy needed.
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Re: ABCNews 20/20 Bizarre Accident
Apr 4, 2009 11:47 AM
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I watched this last night too. I know he didn't pull the trigger as they say but I do think he had his part in the death. He had so much influence over her and had such mental control over her that she killed herself but it was because of him.
It was just so bizarre that he was meeting the ex g/f right away and then married her 3 weeks later. And then he did not call 911 himself.
It is so sad for the kids and the rest of the family.
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Re: ABCNews 20/20 Bizarre Accident
Apr 4, 2009 11:06 AM
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*slowly raising hand...bowing head in shame*
I took pain medicine last night and it knocked me on my arce. I wanted to watch it too, but was sawing logs before it even came on!
How doin' Withay? Weather any better?
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Re: ABCNews 20/20 Bizarre Accident
Apr 4, 2009 9:04 AM
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withay -
i do that all the time! i hate when it's a murder mystery and i wake up and have no idea what the hell happened. sometimes i'll rewind it and try to watch what i missed, only to fall asleep again! i'll have to check online later to see if i can watch it.
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Re: ABCNews 20/20 Bizarre Accident
Apr 4, 2009 9:00 AM
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> I wonder if this was on 20/20 last night. I should
> have checked. Now I totally want to watch it.
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Yes, it was on 20/20 last night, However,I cannot tell you anything about it becauses I fell asleep!
I hate it when I do that. It usually is when I have watched something that is pretty good and I nodd off for the last 10/15 minutes; I did that for Eleventh Hour Thusday night. So now I have to watch it on the internet to see what happened.
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Re: ABCNews 20/20 Bizarre Accident
Apr 4, 2009 8:50 AM
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I wonder if this was on 20/20 last night. I should have checked. Now I totally want to watch it.
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Re: ABCNews 20/20 Bizarre Accident
Apr 4, 2009 8:45 AM
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> > Because some people really get high on the idea
> of
> > surrender. I think she was suicidal, and it
> made her
> > euphoric to think she was going to get to leave
> this
> > earthly plane. I feel very sorry for her kids.
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> I agree that she was suicidal. She didn't think much
> of her earthly life, and believed that she was going
> to a better place.
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> Does LDS believe that suicide is the kind of sin that
> keeps you out of heaven, though? If it was actually
> suicide, it would seem to be self-defeating.
According to the articles, no, they don't believe that it automatically disqualifies you for the highest level of heaven.
> He looked like a dominant SOB, didn't he, though?
He gave me the creeps. I'm certain that he has something to do with the death.
I wonder if he's a licensed hypnotherapist. It would explain a lot.
Those letters are just too bizarre, especially the one where she tells the kids to accept this 19-year-old girl as their mother. Who does that?
She could have been hypnotized into it. Same with the fall off the cliff. If she had been totally relaxed when she jumped her injuries would be less severe.
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Re: ABCNews 20/20 Bizarre Accident
Apr 4, 2009 8:35 AM
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> Because some people really get high on the idea of
> surrender. I think she was suicidal, and it made her
> euphoric to think she was going to get to leave this
> earthly plane. I feel very sorry for her kids.
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I agree that she was suicidal. She didn't think much of her earthly life, and believed that she was going to a better place.
Does LDS believe that suicide is the kind of sin that keeps you out of heaven, though? If it was actually suicide, it would seem to be self-defeating.
He looked like a dominant SOB, didn't he, though?
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Re: ABCNews 20/20 Bizarre Accident
Apr 4, 2009 8:21 AM
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> Because some people really get high on the idea of
> surrender. I think she was suicidal, and it made her
> euphoric to think she was going to get to leave this
> earthly plane. I feel very sorry for her kids.
Me too. It's heartbreaking.
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Re: ABCNews 20/20 Bizarre Accident
Apr 4, 2009 8:14 AM
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> T -
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> The dom/sub theory is really interesting. I was
> thinking that she was obsessed with dying and he got
> sucked into her fantasy and sort of acted as an
> assisted suicide. Maybe he re-married her because of
> guilt and he wanted his boys to be with their mom,
No, I think it had more to do with her enormous life insurance policy. If they'd never remarried, that's $400,000 he wouldn't get. But if they remarried and then she died, jackpot!
And she submitted to it because her children would benefit from this fortune.
> he regretted it because he wanted to be with the 19
> year old. And his out was to buy into her obsession.
I don't think it was just her obsession. I think he got off on it in a big way. JMO.
> Why did this woman not receive mental health help?
> ? Because revelations from God are cool?
Because some people really get high on the idea of surrender. I think she was suicidal, and it made her euphoric to think she was going to get to leave this earthly plane. I feel very sorry for her kids.
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Re: ABCNews 20/20 Bizarre Accident
Apr 4, 2009 7:30 AM
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T -
The dom/sub theory is really interesting. I was thinking that she was obsessed with dying and he got sucked into her fantasy and sort of acted as an assisted suicide. Maybe he re-married her because of guilt and he wanted his boys to be with their mom, so he regretted it because he wanted to be with the 19 year old. And his out was to buy into her obsession. Why did this woman not receive mental health help? Because revelations from God are cool?
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