|
|
This topic has been archived - replies are not allowed.
Okay, Big Love experts. Who are the 4 Apostles Hollis Green was talking about? Are they based on fact, or did the writers make that up?
--
We are the music makers and we are the dreamers of dreams. - W. Wonka
|
Posts:
189
Registered:
3/9/09
|
|
(71 of 86)
Re: Four Apostles & Hollis Green
Mar 19, 2009 8:52 PM
|
> > I believe Hollis Green was referring to the
> "original
> > four prophets of mormonism". They are:
> > Joseph Smith
> > Brigham Young
> > John Taylor
> > Wilford Woodruff
> > The LDS church's 5th prophet was Lorenzo Snow.
>
> > The LDS church did not publicly approve of
> polygamy
> > after 1890. In reality all of the following
> LDS
> > prophets practiced polygamy until the LDS
> prophet
> > Heber J. Grant. He had had 3 wives but by the
> time
> > he rose to the top LDS post 2 of them (1st &
> 3rd) had
> > died. So publicly, he was the first
> non-polygamous
> > LDS prophet. He died in 1945.
> >
> > The first 4 prophets of the FLDS church are:
> > Joseph Smith
> > Brigham Young
> > John Taylor
> > Wilford Woodruff
> > Their 5th apostle, after the split, was John Y
> > Barlow.
> >
> > I think these first four 'same' apostles is
> what
> > Green is referring to.
No. The FLDS do not recognize Wilford Woodruff as a Prophet, most likely on account of him having issued the Manifesto in 1890.
|
|
|
Posts:
424
Registered:
2/7/09
|
|
(70 of 86)
Re: MITOCHONDRIAL DNA/ EVE/ THE MOTHER OF US ALL
Mar 19, 2009 8:52 PM
|
> > Deanmen, those four are reveared, but they
> would
> > never be called Apostles, as they where Prophets
> of
> > the church (Thus Holis would be saying that he
> with
> > the early prophets). a Apostle is a lesser
> > standing, and in Mormonism there is the term
> "the
> > four Apostles" but it refers to the four
> Apostles
> > that Jesus blessed to roam the earth till the
> 2nd
> > coming according to mormon belief.
>
> You're confused now with the three Nephite apostles
> who were blessed to "never taste death" (3 Nephi
> 28:7). I doubt Hollis Green is claiming to be a
> descendant of those immortal and unseen Native
> Americans.
It is the Three Nephite's and the Apostle John make the four...
--
Very cordially yours, Drgong
|
|
|
Posts:
189
Registered:
3/9/09
|
|
(69 of 86)
Re: MITOCHONDRIAL DNA/ EVE/ THE MOTHER OF US ALL
Mar 19, 2009 8:51 PM
|
> Deanmen, those four are reveared, but they would
> never be called Apostles, as they where Prophets of
> the church (Thus Holis would be saying that he with
> the early prophets). a Apostle is a lesser
> standing, and in Mormonism there is the term "the
> four Apostles" but it refers to the four Apostles
> that Jesus blessed to roam the earth till the 2nd
> coming according to mormon belief.
You're confused now with the three Nephite apostles who were blessed to "never taste death" (3 Nephi 28:7). I doubt Hollis Green is claiming to be a descendant of those immortal and unseen Native Americans.
|
|
|
Posts:
424
Registered:
2/7/09
|
|
(68 of 86)
Mar 19, 2009 12:25 PM
|
The individual members where poor, the order itself had a large sum of money that they where saving for the next miltary operations when they where suppressed.
--
Very cordially yours, Drgong
|
|
|
Posts:
275
Registered:
10/7/03
|
|
(67 of 86)
Mar 19, 2009 10:12 AM
Rate this post:
|
|
Amazing since the original name of the Order was "The Poor Fellow Soldiers of Jesus Christ." Whenever someone decides to use the name of J.C. for their group they get rich. I think I'll start the Jesus Christ Carpet Cleaning Company.
|
|
|
Posts:
424
Registered:
2/7/09
|
|
(66 of 86)
Mar 19, 2009 10:02 AM
|
The Knights Templar also became very wealthy for figuring out a way to loan money without it being a sin. (usury)
--
Very cordially yours, Drgong
|
|
|
Posts:
275
Registered:
10/7/03
|
|
(65 of 86)
Mar 19, 2009 9:18 AM
|
|
The Knights Templar more that likley became wealthy from the donations of initiates when they joined the order. Hugh des Paynes and the other 8 nobles who started the order were already from wealthy families and other wealthy wealthy families were more that willing to give mightly so that their sons could be in such a prestigious order. Poorer initiates became Brother Sergeants and were not elevated to the rank of Knight. The Order went from 9 to 9,000 in a short time. Thats alot of donations. Thats how churches get rich.
|
|
|
Posts:
487
Registered:
3/12/09
|
|
(64 of 86)
Mar 19, 2009 9:15 AM
|
> There are people who claim to trace it back to Jesus
> himself, because they believe he was married. Da
> Vinci's first patron firmly believed he was directly
> descended from Jesus and Mary Magdalene.
Oh yeah, I wasn't doubting people claim this - I was just adding more fuel to the fire with James 
--
We are the music makers and we are the dreamers of dreams. - W. Wonka
|
|
|
Posts:
17,844
Registered:
4/21/03
|
|
(63 of 86)
Mar 19, 2009 9:13 AM
|
> Yes, the stuff of these discussion boards is very
> much the realm of myths & legends because it's those
> things that perpetuate religions. And discussions of
> Big Love often tend to drift into discussions around
> Mormonism and religion in general.
>
> Their may be people who claim to trace their
> lineage to Jesus' brother James.
There are people who claim to trace it back to Jesus himself, because they believe he was married. Da Vinci's first patron firmly believed he was directly descended from Jesus and Mary Magdalene.
> However, I doubt
> there is any actual historical evidence for James
> either.
There's not.
--
?Guns don't kill people, people kill people, and monkeys do too (if they have a gun).?
|
|
|
Posts:
487
Registered:
3/12/09
|
|
(62 of 86)
Mar 19, 2009 9:11 AM
|
Yes, the stuff of these discussion boards is very much the realm of myths & legends because it's those things that perpetuate religions. And discussions of Big Love often tend to drift into discussions around Mormonism and religion in general.
Their may be people who claim to trace their lineage to Jesus' brother James. However, I doubt there is any actual historical evidence for James either. They only have the bible and/or scriptures outside of the accepted canon to go on, which aren't necessarily to be considered historical records.
--
We are the music makers and we are the dreamers of dreams. - W. Wonka
|
|
|
Posts:
881
Registered:
1/28/05
|
|
(61 of 86)
Mar 19, 2009 9:05 AM
|
Anyone who's watched the Matrix Trilogy or heard about the Da Vinci Code ( has most likely heard about there supposedly being direct descendents of Jesus.
The Merovingians are also suppose to be descendents of Jesus as well. And the only way to kill them off was to wound one of them in the LEFT EYE at noon.
The KNIGHTS TEMPLAR were also suppose to have gotten wealthy due to knowing the secrets of the Blood line of Jesus.
But there's also NO PROOF or EVIDENCE of this that's ever been made PUBLIC either.
And until that time, these tales also remain in the realm of being MYTHS & LEGENDS and nothing more.
--
Edited by Two25 at 03/19/2009 6:07 AM PDT
|
|
|
Posts:
487
Registered:
3/12/09
|
|
(60 of 86)
Re: Four Apostles & Hollis Green
Mar 19, 2009 9:03 AM
|
I think you meant Grandpa 1874 (otherwise old gramps is my peer 
It's also easier to trace your heritage to actual people as opposed to spirits roaming the earth.
--
We are the music makers and we are the dreamers of dreams. - W. Wonka
|
|
|
Posts:
424
Registered:
2/7/09
|
|
(59 of 86)
Re: Four Apostles & Hollis Green
Mar 19, 2009 9:01 AM
|
> LOL...I just did - it does mention those "roaming the
> earth" apostles. I don't know why I'm wanting Hollis
> to make actual sense, he's clearly a NUTTER
>
> --
Exactly, and its a lot easier to trace your family tree 2000 years back when you born in 1945, dad was born in 1894, Grandpa in 1974, and Great Grandpa in 30 BC
--
Very cordially yours, Drgong
--
Edited by Drgong at 03/19/2009 6:02 AM PDT
|
|
|
Posts:
487
Registered:
3/12/09
|
|
(58 of 86)
Re: Four Apostles & Hollis Green
Mar 19, 2009 8:59 AM
|
LOL...I just did - it does mention those "roaming the earth" apostles. I don't know why I'm wanting Hollis to make actual sense, he's clearly a NUTTER
--
We are the music makers and we are the dreamers of dreams. - W. Wonka
|
|
|
Posts:
424
Registered:
2/7/09
|
|
(57 of 86)
Re: MITOCHONDRIAL DNA/ EVE/ THE MOTHER OF US ALL
Mar 19, 2009 8:57 AM
|
Two, I was just pointing out that you can trace male line far back, guess I didn't read it all.
As for connection to Jesus, you be surpised, there are a few groups, most notably the Kingstons, who claim to be decended from Jesus. 
Not saying its correct, just that that is what they claim.
--
Very cordially yours, Drgong
|
|
|
|
|
