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I don't know about you guys but being LDS and living outside the LDS bubble that is Utah that hit home I have been cornered and talked down to like that on several occasions.
What is the significance of this in the story line what point do you personally feel the writers were trying to make? Possibly that Bill wasnt going down the right path...
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Re: The Baptist Ministers convo with Bill realistic?
Feb 25, 2009 1:33 PM
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Well put!
I stand corrected.
I ascribed the tone which seems agressive to the words which were harmless.
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Re: The Baptist Ministers convo with Bill realistic?
Feb 25, 2009 1:25 PM
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> Greetings
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> Zoar stated
> Bill did take the higher ground. He did not want
> to get into an argument with the minister in front of
> his daughter and his parting words to him were -You
> have a nice day?
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> Seems pretty passive agressive to me ...
Passive aggressive is when you don't show anger but you do something mean to the other person that you can't be blamed for, like making them late or showing up late to meet them, or "accidentally" not delivering their message.
NOT to be confused with maturity and self-control, which is where you're angry, you admit it and people probably know it, but you don't act angry and you don't do anything mean to the other person. "Have a nice day" really isn't "aggressive" in any sense.
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Re: The Baptist Ministers convo with Bill realistic?
Feb 25, 2009 1:14 PM
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Greetings
Zoar stated
Bill did take the higher ground. He did not want to get into an argument with the minister in front of his daughter and his parting words to him were -You have a nice day?
Seems pretty passive agressive to me ...
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Re: The Baptist Ministers convo with Bill realistic?
Feb 25, 2009 10:36 AM
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> > The Baptist should have blacker, sweatier
> and a hundred pounds fatter and mouthier.
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>  This is soooo wrong on so many levels.
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> --
> "If we give the money to the widows, they will
> spend it unwisely because they are uneducated and
> they dont know about budgeting. But if we find her a
> husband, there will be a person in charge of her and
> her children for the rest of their lives."
> MAZIN al-SHIHAN, director of a city agency in
> Baghdad, on his plan to pay men to marry Iraqi war
> widows.
I agree. I'm trying not to be offended and I'm a southern methodist. lol
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Re: The Baptist Ministers convo with Bill realistic?
Feb 25, 2009 9:55 AM
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> The Baptist should have blacker, sweatier and a hundred pounds fatter and mouthier.
This is soooo wrong on so many levels.
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MAZIN al-SHIHAN, director of a city agency in Baghdad, on his plan to pay men to marry Iraqi war widows.
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Re: The Baptist Ministers convo with Bill realistic?
Feb 25, 2009 9:49 AM
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> > To answer the question posted in the thread, I
> lived
> > in Florida for 18 years. Yes, the Baptist's need
> to
> > shove his beliefs down Bill's throat was highly
> > realistic. If anything, it was too low-key. The
> > Baptist should have blacker, sweatier and a
> hundred
> > pounds fatter and mouthier. They love telling
> you
> > your beliefs are wrong and they've got it all
> figured
> > out.
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> To be fair, I have had people of most every
> denomination be overbearing at some point in my life.
> And no, I am not Baptist.
I attended Baptist churches for a long, long time. I'm more inclined to agree with the assessments of HK & EV on this subject than you Miss WaY, sorry.
I have certainly run into some nice Baptists, I even worked for a guy at Circuit City a few years ago who both him and his wife were ordained Baptist ministers, and they were the most liberal tree-huggin bunch you'd ever wanna see.
However, the only person I could ever compare in the department of politically incorrect missionary zeal to a Baptist minister was my dad back when he was a Mormon.
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Re: The Baptist Ministers convo with Bill realistic?
Feb 25, 2009 8:00 AM
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> > To answer the question posted in the thread, I
> > lived in Florida for 18 years. Yes, the Baptist's
> > need to shove his beliefs down Bill's throat was
> > highly realistic. If anything, it was too low-key.
> > The Baptist should have blacker, sweatier and a
> > hundred pounds fatter and mouthier. They love
> > telling you your beliefs are wrong and they've
> > got it all figured out.
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> To be fair, I have had people of most every
> denomination be overbearing at some point in my life.
> And no, I am not Baptist.
Speaking as an Atheist, and having been on the receiving end of Baptist minister prostelyzation, I did wonder why the Big Love writers made the Baptist minister so polite (relative to my experience, of course). I disagree that he would need to be fat to make the experience realistic, the thin ones are better equipped to chase you down the street shouting at you.
About the only comparable experience has been with the FLDSers here on the HBO boards.
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Re: The Baptist Ministers convo with Bill realistic?
Feb 25, 2009 7:25 AM
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> To answer the question posted in the thread, I lived
> in Florida for 18 years. Yes, the Baptist's need to
> shove his beliefs down Bill's throat was highly
> realistic. If anything, it was too low-key. The
> Baptist should have blacker, sweatier and a hundred
> pounds fatter and mouthier. They love telling you
> your beliefs are wrong and they've got it all figured
> out.
To be fair, I have had people of most every denomination be overbearing at some point in my life. And no, I am not Baptist.
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Re: The Baptist Ministers convo with Bill realistic?
Feb 25, 2009 6:35 AM
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I loved Nikki's line to Raymond in the backseat. Honestly, I love Nikki's attitude towards all the denominations she comes into contact with. Remember the LDS missionaries in season 1? Or her "disgusting crucifix" remark referring to Catholic churches in Season 2? I love it.
To answer the question posted in the thread, I lived in Florida for 18 years. Yes, the Baptist's need to shove his beliefs down Bill's throat was highly realistic. If anything, it was too low-key. The Baptist should have blacker, sweatier and a hundred pounds fatter and mouthier. They love telling you your beliefs are wrong and they've got it all figured out.
It reminds me of an old joke:
Why don't Baptists screw standing up?
Because they don't want people to think they're dancing.
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Re: The Baptist Ministers convo with Bill realistic?
Feb 24, 2009 8:16 PM
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> I've known a few ministers who would puff their chest
> out and be proud that they didn't compromise in front
> of the kids feeling that they may have saved some
> soul down the line somewhere.
Bill did take the higher ground. He did not want to get into an argument with the minister in front of his daughter and his parting words to him were ?You have a nice day? Now if Nicki had had the chance?
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Re: The Baptist Ministers convo with Bill realistic?
Feb 24, 2009 3:22 PM
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> Or perhaps she has been chastised by her parents for
> the magazine escapade and has been looking for a way
> to "make it up to God". Somehow she got involved in a
> conversation with someone she believed she could tell
> about her beliefs to. She thought that bringing
> someone to the "truth" and having them baptised would
> help even her score.
That could be Miss WaY, but I guess I'm a little Freudian sometimes. When trouble follows certain people, as it does with Teeny, (MoY Banquet, porn stash, preacher) I tend to think they have an "internal program" dictating some of their motives a "hidden agenda" if you will.
I could be wrong, for sure. And I wouldn't suggest anyone accuse Teeny of anything -- I just think that when group members show signs of a "hidden agenda" it is a good time to try to open up lines of discussion that may help them express what they may not even realize is on their mind.
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Re: The Baptist Ministers convo with Bill realistic?
Feb 24, 2009 3:16 PM
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> > Then why is Teeny trying to become Larry Flynt
> Jr.?
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> Ha! Good question!
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> I think Teeny is very precocious and looking to stir
> up trouble, looking for some boundaries and some
> adult to talk to her -- ya know nobody talks about
> anything in that family -- kind of a byproduct of
> having goals that are a little beyond your reach, I
> think.
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Sometimes this kind of behavior is mostly sanctimonious cover up for a hidden discretion. Maybe they should see it as a bit of a confession, or a plea for help like the other kids are experiencing.
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Re: The Baptist Ministers convo with Bill realistic?
Feb 24, 2009 3:12 PM
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> > Then why is Teeny trying to become Larry Flynt
> Jr.?
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> Ha! Good question!
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> I think Teeny is very precocious and looking to stir
> up trouble, looking for some boundaries and some
> adult to talk to her -- ya know nobody talks about
> anything in that family -- kind of a byproduct of
> having goals that are a little beyond your reach, I
> think.
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> philosopher' Rodney King and my Nicki
Or perhaps she has been chastised by her parents for the magazine escapade and has been looking for a way to "make it up to God". Somehow she got involved in a conversation with someone she believed she could tell about her beliefs to. She thought that bringing someone to the "truth" and having them baptised would help even her score.
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Re: The Baptist Ministers convo with Bill realistic?
Feb 24, 2009 2:52 PM
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Yup!
Teeny is tired of being ignored by all the adults in her world, and as an clever young girl -she could have struck up a conversation with this man or perhaps the Baptist mentioned something religious to her... who can say.
It did sound a bit wooden - just as most religious arguments usually do...
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Re: The Baptist Ministers convo with Bill realistic?
Feb 24, 2009 2:26 PM
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> Then why is Teeny trying to become Larry Flynt Jr.?
Ha! Good question!
I think Teeny is very precocious and looking to stir up trouble, looking for some boundaries and some adult to talk to her -- ya know nobody talks about anything in that family -- kind of a byproduct of having goals that are a little beyond your reach, I think.
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