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I don't know how valid this information is but it does quote Warren Jeffs frequently... http://flds101.blogspot.com/ -- I believe that heroes are the people who do what has to be done, when it needs to be done, regardless of the consequences.
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Re: Blog with info about basic teachings of FLDS church
May 27, 2008 4:32 AM
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> > Zoar,
> > I have read all that Expert has written, so far
> > far and feel like I have learned a lot. I have
> > finally gotten answers to some of the questions
> that
> > I have asked and been told I
> > "did not want to know". Zoar, you have always
> been
> > polite in answering my questions (and I do
> appreciate
> > that) but some of the others have not. I don't
> know
> > if you have read all of his blog, but, of what
> you
> > have read, is it a fair assessment of what has
> > happened? In your opinion?
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> withay.
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> I think the blog is very informative and educational
> I have read all the articles and have gained some
> me new insights about the FLDS under Jeffs rule.
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> One thing I would like to ask you, Are there not laws
> that can punish parents when they abandon their minor
> children like that?
According to the write of Mandamus in this case, apparently they can only prosecute if they can demonstrate that being abandoned contributed to the death or injury of the child. Which would render all the "lost boys" cases irrelevant.
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Re: Blog with info about basic teachings of FLDS church
May 26, 2008 10:10 PM
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> withay.
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> I think the blog is very informative and educational
> I have read all the articles and have gained some
> me new insights about the FLDS under Jeffs rule.
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> One thing I would like to ask you, Are there not laws
> that can punish parents when they abandon their minor
> children like that?
There are laws but, like age of consent laws, the age varies by state. And when the child leaves "on their own" it's one of those difficult to prosecute laws. If you make the parents take the child back, they can make them so miserable that they will leave again and vice versa. And it also becomes a case of parent says vs child says where the truth is usually somewhere in the middle.
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Re: Blog with info about basic teachings of FLDS church
May 26, 2008 9:34 PM
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> Zoar,
> I have read all that Expert has written, so far
> far and feel like I have learned a lot. I have
> finally gotten answers to some of the questions that
> I have asked and been told I
> "did not want to know". Zoar, you have always been
> polite in answering my questions (and I do appreciate
> that) but some of the others have not. I don't know
> if you have read all of his blog, but, of what you
> have read, is it a fair assessment of what has
> happened? In your opinion?
withay.
I think the blog is very informative and educational I have read all the articles and have gained some new insights about the FLDS under Jeffs rule.
One thing I would like to ask you, Are there not laws that can punish parents when they abandon their minor children like that?
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Re: Blog with info about basic teachings of FLDS church
May 26, 2008 4:48 PM
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> zoar,
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> I don't think he "shot down" that assumption at all.
> The practice of throwing out boys goes back a long
> g way further than Jeffs.
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> Jeffs seems to have made a lot of rules to make it a
> lot harder for boys to stay, and to make it easier to
> throw boys out. No sports? Are you kidding?
T, zoar,
It's the same idea as the girls marrying "by their own choice" when the choice is to marry the man they are assigned to or leave their home and family, and go to hell in the hereafter. Essentially, Hobson's choice.
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Re: Blog with info about basic teachings of FLDS church
May 26, 2008 1:54 AM
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zoar,
I don't think he "shot down" that assumption at all. The practice of throwing out boys goes back a long way further than Jeffs.
Jeffs seems to have made a lot of rules to make it a lot harder for boys to stay, and to make it easier to throw boys out. No sports? Are you kidding?
That a lot of the boys leave in order to protect their fathers from being judged doesn't change that the social convention of ejecting young men from the community DOES have the effect of putting the young girls with the old men. If the old men didn't get the young girls, would the community choose this method of dealing with boys, or might they start actually raising their teenagers?
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Re: Blog with info about basic teachings of FLDS church
May 26, 2008 1:19 AM
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; FLDSExpert,
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> And people think they run off the boys so the old men
> will have all the young girls. You shot down that
> assumption. Thanks for the information.
Zoar,
I have read all that Expert has written, so far and feel like I have learned a lot. I have finally gotten answers to some of the questions that I have asked and been told I
"did not want to know". Zoar, you have always been polite in answering my questions (and I do appreciate that) but some of the others have not. I don't know if you have read all of his blog, but, of what you have read, is it a fair assessment of what has happened? In your opinion?
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Re: Blog with info about basic teachings of FLDS church
May 26, 2008 12:12 AM
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> FLDS Life 101 - The Lost Boys
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> In recent years, several hundred young men who had
> been raised in the FLDS culture are now former
> members, no more welcome to even associate with their
> former families. These young men have been coined as
> ?the Lost Boys.? FLDS faithful claim that these boys
> left the FLDS by their own choice. Others claim that
> these boys have been tossed out on the streets
> against their choice.
>
> The facts show something in between these extremes.
> Under Warren Jeffs? leadership, the FLDS culture and
> rules has been a hard environment for teen boys to
> cope with. Absolute acceptance of all the rules is
> difficult. The injustices and inconsistencies seen
> cause these youthful minds to question. Teen
> rebellion is unacceptable and there is no longer a
> good support structure within the FLDS to help teens
> through these difficult years. Parents understand
> that if FLDS leaders hear of problem children in
> their families, that the father can be charged for
> not having control of his family. He risks losing his
> priesthood, which means losing his home, wives, and
> children.
>
> Boys understand well the rules and the consequences.
> These rules include: No association at all with
> girls, no talking, no dating, no kissing. No music.
> No sports. No TV. No movies. No video games. No
> Internet. No late-night hours. Their life is only
> religious school and work. The temptation is huge to
> test the limits and experiment with some of these
> ?evil? gentile pursuits. Many of these boys have the
> additional added challenge of being assigned to new
> fathers. The father they knew has been taken away
> from them and their new father doesn?t understand
> them. Life is very difficult for these wayward boys
> and eventually the choices are few. They can leave on
> their own or continue to live in a ?hell? to them and
> watch the people they love be hurt by them or the
> FLDS leaders. The vast majority of these boys choose
> to leave on their own.
>
> ....continued at http://flds101.blogspot.com
FLDSExpert,
And people think they run off the boys so the old men will have all the young girls. You shot down that assumption. Thanks for the information.
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Re: Blog with info about basic teachings of FLDS church
May 25, 2008 3:39 PM
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FLDS Life 101 - The Lost Boys
In recent years, several hundred young men who had been raised in the FLDS culture are now former members, no more welcome to even associate with their former families. These young men have been coined as ?the Lost Boys.? FLDS faithful claim that these boys left the FLDS by their own choice. Others claim that these boys have been tossed out on the streets against their choice.
The facts show something in between these extremes. Under Warren Jeffs? leadership, the FLDS culture and rules has been a hard environment for teen boys to cope with. Absolute acceptance of all the rules is difficult. The injustices and inconsistencies seen cause these youthful minds to question. Teen rebellion is unacceptable and there is no longer a good support structure within the FLDS to help teens through these difficult years. Parents understand that if FLDS leaders hear of problem children in their families, that the father can be charged for not having control of his family. He risks losing his priesthood, which means losing his home, wives, and children.
Boys understand well the rules and the consequences. These rules include: No association at all with girls, no talking, no dating, no kissing. No music. No sports. No TV. No movies. No video games. No Internet. No late-night hours. Their life is only religious school and work. The temptation is huge to test the limits and experiment with some of these ?evil? gentile pursuits. Many of these boys have the additional added challenge of being assigned to new fathers. The father they knew has been taken away from them and their new father doesn?t understand them. Life is very difficult for these wayward boys and eventually the choices are few. They can leave on their own or continue to live in a ?hell? to them and watch the people they love be hurt by them or the FLDS leaders. The vast majority of these boys choose to leave on their own.
....continued at http://flds101.blogspot.com
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Re: Blog with info about basic teachings of FLDS church
May 23, 2008 11:33 PM
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> > FLDS Life 101 ? Reassignment of Families
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> Jeffs does not need to be in prison, he needs to be
> in a mental institution, He is totally crazy. He
> could even be possessed if you believe in that.
I could believe that... Jeffs possessed by an evil spirit! Except that would make me feel sorry for him and I only have sorrow for the people whose lives he has destroyed. I think if he really does believe that he is going to praised by God for what he has done on earth, he is going to be really really surprised!
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Re: Blog with info about basic teachings of FLDS church
May 23, 2008 11:04 PM
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> FLDS Life 101 ? Reassignment of Families
Jeffs does not need to be in prison, he needs to be in a mental institution, He is totally crazy. He could even be possessed if you believe in that.
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Re: Blog with info about basic teachings of FLDS church
May 23, 2008 8:26 PM
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FLDS Life 101 ? Reassignment of Families
As Warren Jeffs increased in power over the FLDS, when his father was ill, he introduced an alarming practice, the reassignment of women to new husbands. In previous years, women would remarry after the death of a spouse or divorce, or when a man left the church for serious reasons, but these reassignments were now made at the whim of Jeffs. The rationale used is that the prophet owns the children and women and if the husband loses his priesthood (standing in the church) the women and children need to be sealed to a faithful man in the church who can take them to heaven.
This break-up of families has shattered the lives of hundreds of FLDS men and in most cases made the lives of the women and children worse as they have had to adjust to life in the homes, new families, and new household rules. The women are not given a choice, are assigned to a man who Jeffs chose, and must obey or risk losing her standing in the faith. Some women refuse to leave their husbands and leave the church, but most choose their religion over keeping their husbands.
The family is instructed to destroy all pictures of the man, never see him again, and never speak of him. As they are reassigned, the mother marries her new husband and the children take the name of the new man. They must now call him ?father.? Many of the children who were at the YFZ Ranch are children who have been reassigned to new fathers.
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May 21, 2008 6:23 PM
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?I am not the prophet. I never was the prophet, and I have been deceived by the powers of evil and Brother William E. Jessop has been the prophet since Father's passing, since the passing of my father. And I have been the most wicked man in this dispensation, in the eyes of God."
Amazing that he could say this, and also the part about not holding Priesthood since he was 20 years old, "having been immoral with a sister and a daughter," yet still hold the congregation as he does. I supposed in their place I'd be afraid it was a trick.
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Re: Blog with info about basic teachings of FLDS church
May 21, 2008 3:46 PM
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FLDS Beliefs 101 - Prophesies
Prophecies are an integral part of the FLDS theology. They believe they have a prophet and that he has the spiritual gift to prophesy about the future. To understand what drives the FLDS, it is very important to understand their belief about the future, because it drives their day-to-day behavior.
The prophecy that is discussed the most is about the prediction for the end of the world. The FLDS believe that before Jesus Christ returns for his second coming, there will be a terrible destruction. The wicked will be destroyed, wiped off the face of the world. The most faithful FLDS who have been living their religion and obeying the prophet will be lifted up, protected from the destruction and then returned to the earth. All faithful FLDS want to be numbered with those who will be lifted up because they believe that day is very soon. They believe they will be still alive when it happens.
The FLDS prophets have identified timeframes for the important date. If fact they have predicted a specific date several times. This point is contended and denied, yet it is very evident in Warren Jeff?s taped teachings that there were specified times predicted. Let?s examine this prophecy in more detail.
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Re: Blog with info about basic teachings of FLDS church
May 17, 2008 4:39 PM
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FLDS Life 101 ? Alta Academy
The Alta Academy, located in Salt Lake City, Utah, was the school where an entire generation of FLDS children were taught by Warren Jeffs who served there as principal for 22 years. The school was located at the mouth of Little Cottonwood Canyon on the Rulon Jeffs compound. This unusual place could be seen from the road above by skiers as they drove by it on their way up to Alta or Snowbird. The 30-thousand square-foot academy building had 44 bedrooms, 20 bathrooms, two full kitchens, two half-kitchens and two laundries, all wired with a PA system.
The school was converted from a large home and Warren Jeffs became the principal in 1976 despite having only a high school diploma. Jeffs? rise to power and influence started in this school. A generation of FLDS faithful spent most of their childhood at the school and look back with both fond and bad memories of the place. The school was closed in 1998 after the FLDS moved to gather at Colorado City expecting that the end of the world soon arrive. The school was finally demolished for modern development in 2008.
The curriculum included fairly standard subjects. Jeffs taught most of the math classes, all of the history classes, accounting, geography, computer science, chemistry, and chorus. Each day began with an hour-long devotional that included hymns, scripture reading and sermons.
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Re: Blog with info about basic teachings of FLDS church
May 16, 2008 3:46 PM
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Another installment:
FLDS Beliefs 101 ? Yearning for Zion
The FLDS Ranch in Texas is named ?Yearning for Zion.? What is the significance of the name and what is ?Zion.? What are they yearning for?
The FLDS refer to Zion as ?heaven on earth.? Before the second coming of Jesus Christ a city of Zion will be built by the righteous and Jesus will reign from this city. The FLDS believe that the righteous among them will have the opportunity to build that great city.
In Mormon and FLDS theology, Enoch, during the days of Noah, was a great prophet who built a city of holiness that was also referred to as Zion. Zion was a place of safety for the righteous. The people of that city were so righteous that the entire city was eventually taken up into heaven before the flood.
The FLDS yearn for the day when they can live in such a righteous city, be protected from the wicked world, and be lifted up to greet Jesus Christ. Several times their prophets predicted that they would be lifted up, but those prophesies went unfulfilled and the leaders blamed it on the unrighteousness of the FLDS people.
Building YFZ was likely an important preparatory step where they could learn to live in righteousness, and either be taken up into heaven or prepare for the time when they could help build the city of Zion.
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