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Their lifestyle is by definition illegal. While I personally condone polygamy, the law does not.
Moreover, they seem to want to reserve the right to break the law by flouting the Age of Consent laws. They don't want to abide by the child abuse statutes. They want to be allowed to dump their teenage boys, and impregnate their teen girls.
They don't want CPS interfering when their children are abused, and they don't want the police coming around when someone's been abused or even killed, (25 people in the last year have been killed as Blood Atonement.) They want to handle it all by themselves. Why not let them?
Would it be a better solution all around, to cut them off from all state-related services such as welfare, food stamps, CPS, police, fire, and medical services, than to keep asking them to abide by our laws? We could even stop doing business with them--let them find their own utilities, food, etc...
Since the women seem determined to thwart any attempts to rescue them, why not let them lie in the beds they've made?
And why bother about whether their children are getting abandoned, neglected, starved, abused, or raped? Do we really have a legal obligation to care, or can we just dump these people already?
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> Not necessarily. CPS will likely ask a higher court
> to look at the appeal and stay the original appeal
> until they (the higher court) make a decision.
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So it seems now, they are going to be playing a game of legal chess. Whoever is the first to call ?Checkmate? wins. I have not played much chess in my life, but I do know it is all about strategy and maneuvering to outsmart your opponent.
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> There probably not a chance of that happening now due
> to recent events.
Not necessarily. CPS will likely ask a higher court to look at the appeal and stay the original appeal until they (the higher court) make a decision.
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> http://www.deseretnews.com/article/1,5143,700228088,00
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> > It suggests that the interviews have told them
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> > other children who weren't taken, but the FLDS
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> > that there were children visiting with people
> who
> > came to help is also a possibility.
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> > They'll probably get a warrant and do another
> search.
> > I don't know that I'd call it a raid though...
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> Their (FLDS) explanation of who the children are
> sounds valid. They probably will want to talk to the
> parents and children and see ID. Assuming there are
> no pregnant 14 year olds visiting, they should be
> okay. I know if I was a relative and was visiting
> with my children to help, I would make sure I had ID
> for myself and my children with me at all times.
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There probably not a chance of that happening now due to recent events.
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> > Is a second raid coming??
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> It suggests that the interviews have told them about
> other children who weren't taken, but the FLDS story
> that there were children visiting with people who
> came to help is also a possibility.
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> They'll probably get a warrant and do another search.
> I don't know that I'd call it a raid though...
Their (FLDS) explanation of who the children are sounds valid. They probably will want to talk to the parents and children and see ID. Assuming there are no pregnant 14 year olds visiting, they should be okay. I know if I was a relative and was visiting with my children to help, I would make sure I had ID for myself and my children with me at all times.
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> Is a second raid coming??
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> http://www.deseretnews.com/article/1,5143,700228088,00
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It suggests that the interviews have told them about other children who weren't taken, but the FLDS story that there were children visiting with people who came to help is also a possibility.
They'll probably get a warrant and do another search. I don't know that I'd call it a raid though...
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He will do exactly what he always does when there is no way to answer the question or acknowledge the statement without admitting he was ..um...incorrect. He will ignore it and rant on about something else.
That's okay. The poster on the other board forwarded the information to CPS in Eldorado via the net and has already been thanked for the "useful new information". So apparently those parents will be confronted about the conflict in their statements.
I had someone do something similar once. The parents went fussing to the media (which I could not do, even to defend myself) and told the newspaper something important that they had neglected to tell me or their foodstamp worker. Uh! Oh!
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Oh. . .he'll just find another thing to go on about in a way to brush it off
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> Oh. . . .That's what I get for breezing through
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> misunderstood. . . .
That's okay. I am just glad we got it figured out.
By the way, thanks for pointing out (yet again) to wurks what I was trying to get him to see about those videos. I watched them several times myself because I could not believe that anyone could be so dumb as to let themselves be recorded making contradictory statements!
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Oh. . . .That's what I get for breezing through things
I'm sorry I flew off like that. . .I was the one who misunderstood. . . .
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> Withay. . .In no shape or form I was making any
> comparisons what so ever. I was relating my gf's
> experience in Stalin's Russia and the Trivia of what
> my aunt said about Dr. Zhivago related to what she
> was told by him, following the previous posts. I
> have no clue where you would come up with that I am
> comparing their experiences to FLDS or to women
> crying rape.
Oh no! I was not saying that you were comparing... I was saying that some of the folks here have compared what has happened on the ranch to the truly horrible things that happened to your family! And while I am sure the raid on the ranch was traumatic it was nothing (IMO) compared to what happened to your family. I apologize if I was not clear.
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> close)
> > that my GF spoke of Russia and his family a
> lot,
> > until McCarthyism took hold. . .then he didn't
> say
> > much after that. Well, when Dr. Zivago came out
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> > film in 1965 (5 years after his my GF's death)
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> > course she had to go see it. She told me she
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> > shocked that everything he described to her, and
> told
> > her, was accurately portrayed. Events, places,
> and
> > even some names were familiar to her.
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> IMO, to compare what has happened here to what
> happened to your family trivializes it. It is as
> offensive to me as women who cry rape when they were
> not raped.
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Withay. . .In no shape or form I was making any comparisons what so ever. I was relating my gf's experience in Stalin's Russia and the Trivia of what my aunt said about Dr. Zhivago related to what she was told by him, following the previous posts. I have no clue where you would come up with that I am comparing their experiences to FLDS or to women crying rape.
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> My Aunt told me once (she and my GF were very close)
> that my GF spoke of Russia and his family a lot,
> until McCarthyism took hold. . .then he didn't say
> much after that. Well, when Dr. Zivago came out on
> film in 1965 (5 years after his my GF's death) of
> course she had to go see it. She told me she was
> shocked that everything he described to her, and told
> her, was accurately portrayed. Events, places, and
> even some names were familiar to her.
IMO, to compare what has happened here to what happened to your family trivializes it. It is as offensive to me as women who cry rape when they were not raped.
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My Aunt told me once (she and my GF were very close) that my GF spoke of Russia and his family a lot, until McCarthyism took hold. . .then he didn't say much after that. Well, when Dr. Zivago came out on film in 1965 (5 years after his my GF's death) of course she had to go see it. She told me she was shocked that everything he described to her, and told her, was accurately portrayed. Events, places, and even some names were familiar to her.
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It took me ages to figure out you meant grandfather, not girlfriend. Sorry! LOL!
> On her deathbed she told her
> remaining daughter that she had to get up and pack,
> that her daughter and sil had "come for her" and
> would be back that night. She died that night.
> After one or two more letters, there was nothing. .
> . .not even red cross could get through at that point.
I'm sorry that happened to your family. Sounds horrible.
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