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Thoughts on what Big Love has taught us about the impact of compound living and its effects on the potential for escape?
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Re: Jaycee Dugard and compound living
Oct 16, 2009 8:04 PM
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> I think you're just bored.
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> Polygamists are a religion, this guy was not
> religious.
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> stop obsessing over it and exploiting her already.
Something that comes up over and over again on these boards is the difference in viewpoint over what polygamy is.
To outsiders, polygamy is simply a matter of one man married to several women - whether religious, cultural, or simply mutual consent.
To "insiders," polygamy seems to mean the Principle - a religious principle.
There are always extremists - people who take a principle (lower case) and take it to an extreme. On one end , you have people like Joey, Wanda and Kathy, where it's mutually beneficial for everyone. On the other end, you have men who think a patriarchal society gives them permission to kidnap and rape little girls as long as you label it "religion."
It's like the difference between a guy who coaxes his wife into having sex, even though she doesn't feel much like it tonight, and a guy who commits rape - two ends of the same spectrum, and one end is a violent crime.
I'm happy to see that Jaycee Dugard seems to be making as much of a recovery as anyone could from that situation.
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Re: Jaycee Dugard and compound living
Sep 16, 2009 10:37 AM
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> I think you're just bored.
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> Polygamists are a religion, this guy was not
> religious.
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> stop obsessing over it and exploiting her already.
Yes, the man who kidnapped Jaycee was a religious extremist. He had a box through which he said that he spoke to God. He wrote a long religous crazy paper. He used religion to justify his behavior.
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Re: Jaycee Dugard and compound living
Sep 10, 2009 3:46 PM
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Nikki wasn't preparing to leave. Bill was relocating her to one of Don's apartments cause he wanted a separation.
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Re: Jaycee Dugard and compound living
Sep 10, 2009 3:44 PM
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Nothing to do with Jaycee Dugard...
From the show we see that even when mom gets away with the kids the older ones bide their time until their birthday - which miraclulously the finally know how old they are - when they return to the compound.
We also see Lois had a chance to live outside the compound in an apartment set up by Barbara and didn't stay for long. We see Wanda not want to leave the compound when Joey wants to find a job on the outside and get an apartment before the baby was born. We see Frank and wives want to return when thrown out. We see Frank Jr's mom save Frank from Lois only to be sent to be reeducated abroad somewhere for hitting him with the shovel in the first place. You'd think he be happy not to be dead. And Bill, he got thrown out and was willing to drive Frank Jr. back and talk to their dad on his behalf to stay. Yet Rhonda they helped get away, off and on... Bill I think has the compound in his head or he wouldn't have returned to polygamy. I think polygamy is his way to live that life on his terms since he wasn't in control of leaving that life in the first place.
Will Carol Ann really stay away, or want to be placed with a husband? What happens if she's placed in the Joy book by her dad and assigned while living with Nikki? How long will that last?
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Re: Jaycee Dugard and compound living
Sep 7, 2009 11:30 AM
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I think you're just bored.
Polygamists are a religion, this guy was not religious.
stop obsessing over it and exploiting her already.
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Re: Jaycee Dugard and compound living
Sep 7, 2009 11:21 AM
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Anybody catch the Dr. Phil episode on Jaycee? Completely affirmed my suggestion that what happened to Jaycee mirrors the polygamist compound experience portrayed on "Big Love" (particularly with regard to Nicolette and Kathy). He even went so far as to say Garrido's behavior resembled an initial attempt to establish his own compound-based polygamous religious cult.
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Re: Jaycee Dugard and compound living
Sep 5, 2009 9:38 PM
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There are elements of coercion in many forms of communal living. But they are not all the same and some are much better than others. Outside of creed based communities in the United States>
1.There are children who are sent to both public and expensive provate schools where they are routinely beaten, sometimes raped and subject to vast patterns of damaging abuse which they despair escaping from in a s hort time.
2. Ilegal aliens are held as ilegal slaves by smugglers and employers in every large city or region in the US.
3. Prostitutes are held as slaves by rings of corrupt police officers in every large region or city in the United States.
4. The USA and every other country imports products made by people worked to death, burnt to death in chined shut factories and held on site by armed men.
5. People live in shabby houses and apartments trapped by the fear of violent crime. Unable to enjoy any real self-determination in many US neighborhoods and around the world.
6. For all the people who live in the horrors I have catalogued above (which the media seldom report and many deny occurs there are people starving and randomly persecuted who would change places with them if they could.
Jaycee's case goes over the line of what I would allow to be just, good or tolerable. But the White House is a compound too. A right to what we aould now call community is assured by the constitution's right to peaceably assemble. However, the judiciary has never specificaly made that connection that I know of and America is getting looney about communes, compounds and communities.
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Re: Jaycee Dugard and compound living
Sep 3, 2009 11:45 PM
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The media might be partly to blame for the confusion between fundamentalist "compounds" and Dugards prison-like "Compound". Many of the "compounds" as the media calls them of the fundamentalist communities are nothing more than communities. Think of it more like a small town or community rather than a prison. Now without a doubt, there is quite a bit of control within the community. Oftentimes they have their own security or even police where incorporated. They have the "church" (wardhouse, meeting house, temple, ECT); some have a private school, offices and sometimes even a few businesses. Sort of a community for the existence of the fundamentalists. While the controls are there......one could leave....although it would not surprise me to see security stop to "talk" to you. If you are still a minor, security or police would most likely detain you and return you to your parents as well as report you to the proper official for reprimand. In that instance....yes there is a slight similarity in that you would be detained. If you are an adult however you would be free to leave....you would be harassed, but free to leave. Most likely you would be leaving with the clothes on your back, believing you are walking away from salvation, friends and family.....but no one is holding a gun to your head and MAKING you stay. Free will is there.......but every possible measure to keep you in line will be made.....that is unless they deem you to be a trouble maker....then they might just run you off....not usually in a physical sense, but an emotional one. (As is the case with the lost boys). You are "not living up to our expectations" or "perhaps you can convert someone from the outside".....death sentence, you will never get a wife from the community. For some strange reason, attractive young ladies are seldom found to be trouble makers, while the boys all too often are......hmmmm.......perhaps it is just that boys are naturally more rambunctious
Jaycee Dugard appears to have been in something completely different. She was not living in a community of other likeminded people. She was living in a makeshift outdoor prison. Fences around the back yard....tents and sound proof shacks. Many deplorable conditions. It was not like she could just walk away from it all (even if it was with nothing). She was forcibly held there......at least for a time.
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Sep 3, 2009 8:09 PM
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Does anyone know when the new season is starting? I am so excited to see what is to come!
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Re: Jaycee Dugard and compound living
Sep 3, 2009 5:25 PM
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If anyone remembers the Elizabeth Smart abduction there are some similarities to Jaycee with one exception, Smarts kidnapper, a self avowed polygamist, abducted Smart from her home at the age of 14. She was found 9 months later. She had also been raped and sexually abused. When the police found her, she was with her captor. Elizabeth was spotted traveling with two companions in Sandy Utah by an elderly couple who had heard of the kidnapping on Americas Most Wanted the night before, and alerted police. The companions were Elizabeth Smart ? disguised in a red wig, sunglasses, and veil One of the policemen had noticed something unusual about the disguised woman and asked his partner to stay with Mitchell and Barzee his wife,while he questioned the girl. He asked the girl if she was Elizabeth Smart and told her not to be afraid because she was safe now. The girl said she was Elizabeth Smart. Smart was finally recognized by the officers during questioning, and was promptly reunited with her family. Wanda Ileen Barzee. and David Mitchell were taken into custody as suspected kidnappers.
To this day Mitchell and Barzee have not gone to trial.
I found this on Yahoo.
Latest abduction invokes saga of Elizabeth Smart
Here is the link
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090829/ap_on_re_us/us_girl_found_smart
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Re: Jaycee Dugard and compound living
Sep 2, 2009 12:07 PM
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The only way that Jaycee would be mentioned in the upcoming season, is if it was about how ridiculous people are, by associating her with their living situation. Kathy WAS different, until she was murdered! Her experiences do not match up to Jaycee's. She wanted out, they were trying to get out. Maybe you should watch every episode and not just on "free" weekends.
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Re: Jaycee Dugard and compound living
Sep 2, 2009 9:40 AM
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Of course, Kathy also had an experience similar to Jaycee's and Nicki's (forced into conjugal relations while still a minor and living on a compound), and she turned out quite different from Nicki, probably because she didn't have Roman for a father. It will be interesting to see whether or not the Jaycee situation is referenced in Season 4 (particularly as Nicki's psychological damage is further explored) the way the Eldorado compound raid was alluded to in Season 3. Seems to me it's a lot more pertinent.
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Re: Jaycee Dugard and compound living
Sep 1, 2009 11:53 AM
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when I think of all that poor kid missed..prom,boyfriends, hanging out with friends, summer camp, crushes,all the things teens do, it makes me sad.
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Re: Jaycee Dugard and compound living
Sep 1, 2009 11:50 AM
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you obviously have not been watching the entire series, and faithful to it as many of us are! Nikki was OFF the compound, she was living in her OWN house raising her own kids, at her own free will. Her kids went to a ritzy private school. They went to doctors, they played outside with other kids, they went to parties.
As a matter of fact, she was planning to leave, and we will see in the upcoming season if she does. NO one will be stopping her, either.
She even come close to having an affair.
Do you think Jaycee Dugard would have had these opportunities?
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Re: Jaycee Dugard and compound living
Sep 1, 2009 9:26 AM
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luvbarb wrote, "The compound however, many are compelled to marry certain people but even they are still do it out of their own free will."
That's not what they said on "Big Love" in the trial and joy book material they presented during Season 3, which I recently saw on a free HBO weekend. I think Jaycee may develop/have a lot of the same emotional problems as Nicki.
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