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I was just wondered if this thought has crossed any one else's mind..if she had been off long enough..I mean Bill puts her out and whoops she is pregnant..wouldn't that change things?
I don't know exactly the time frame on the show that she has been off the pill...but then her and Bill having sex tonight..and it makes me wonder if just MAYBE she might have hopped to get pregnant again.
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Re: has Nikki been off the Pill long enough to get preggars again
Mar 17, 2009 9:20 AM
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I thought I said what you did.
I swear, English is my first language... 
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Re: has Nikki been off the Pill long enough to get preggars again
Mar 17, 2009 9:09 AM
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great assessment Ameera
All the sex did for both of them just emphasied how warped and unfulfilling their relationship really is.
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Re: has Nikki been off the Pill long enough to get preggars again
Mar 17, 2009 7:12 AM
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I thought it was a fantasy too until I watched a second time. Each of the other fantasy scenes was followed up by a scene showing what really took place except this one. And all of the reviews and even the HBO recap state that they had sex.
Her becoming pregnant would be an interesting twist....and if both Margie and Ana also show up pregnant Bill will certainly have his hands full in season 4!
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Re: has Nikki been off the Pill long enough to get preggars again
Mar 17, 2009 7:05 AM
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> I thought the sex scene with Bill and Nikki was a fantasy. The showed it and then went to white, then he was sitting outside. i think he didn't have sex with Nikki at all, he was daydreaming.
I think Bill DID have sex with Nicki -- I think he needed to feel wanted after her indiscretion but I think the writers didn't show it because they wanted to emphasize how dissatisfying it was to BOTH people afterwards. They show Nicki on the bed, practically fully clothe and Bill as well.
It was a quickie, self-serving on both parts -- Nicki, to try to get herself back in Bill's good graces and Bill, to boost his fragile ego.
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Re: has Nikki been off the Pill long enough to get preggars again
Mar 17, 2009 3:01 AM
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I thought the sex scene with Bill and Nikki was a fantasy. The showed it and then went to white, then he was sitting outside. i think he didn't have sex with Nikki at all, he was daydreaming.
I got the exact same impression menolady. I thought it was a fantasy, too. Besides, Bill hadn't fortified himself with Viagra beforehand - he's been too preoccupied to think ahead in the woody dept. 
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Re: has Nikki been off the Pill long enough to get preggars again
Mar 17, 2009 2:46 AM
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I don't know why anyone would think Nicki has stopped taking her pills.
I don't believe for one minute Nicki has stopped.
She defiantly wouldn't say she would when Bill asked, and even if she had, Nicki is a phenomenal liar.
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Re: has Nikki been off the Pill long enough to get preggars again
Mar 16, 2009 8:20 PM
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Dede,
> I respectfully disagree. I think the more years you
> are married the more information you should give up
> about yourself.
Perhaps one ?should? be more open with their partner as a marriage progresses, but that does not mean everyone is. Similar situations have happened in real life before; a teenage girl in 1950?s gets pregnant, is sent away to have the baby and gives it up for adoption, goes home, gets married and her husband doesn?t learn the truth for years. Shame or the fear of losing the one you love can be powerful motivators to perpetuate a lie.
> I mean we learned more about
> Nicky on that date we did with Ray than the two
> seasons with Bill.
I agree with you here; it was one of those rare glimpses of the real Nikki that for some reason she feels the need to hide from most everyone. She is terrified that Bill will throw her out ? like a sack of kittens? so in order to stay in her marriage and off the compound, she felt she had to lie to him?because she has known women that have been discarded for less than a former marriage.
Buggzzee,
> guess I don't know how and when forgiveness needs to happen for a person.
> I can't judge. I do think she hasn't learned her lesson, but when you think of the word > "forgive"... or when *I* think of it, I think of releasing another from a burden I placed on > them for something they did wrong.
True forgiveness, at least in my opinion, has nothing to do with the person who is being forgiven, and everything to do with the one doing the forgiving. You may be releasing them from their guilt BY forgiving them, but the act of forgiveness, and when it occurs, is decided only by the individual. Whether or not the wrongdoer DESERVES one?s forgiveness is subjective, but also irrelevant.
That?s my two cents, at any rate!
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Re: has Nikki been off the Pill long enough to get preggars again
Mar 16, 2009 7:56 PM
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Point understood Withay. I guess I don't know how and when forgiveness needs to happen for a person. I can't judge. I do think she hasn't learned her lesson, but when you think of the word "forgive"... or when *I* think of it, I think of releasing another from a burden I placed on them for something they did wrong. As long as I know I have forgiven that person, no matter what they do next, it's on them, ya know? I mean, I will protect myself from being hurt or wronged, but I'll forgive them. That's my personal belief anyway.
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Re: has Nikki been off the Pill long enough to get preggars again
Mar 16, 2009 5:44 PM
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I respectfully disagree. I think the more years you are married the more information you should give up about yourself. But this is not the first time that Nicky has witheld from Bill. She does not tell Bill anything about herself. I mean we learned more about Nicky on that date we did with Ray than the two seasons with Bill.
I will give you about being a virgin. There are other clues to that as well but also having a child. At least bill could have been suspicious. I agree that bill is clueless period moreso with Nicky.
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Re: has Nikki been off the Pill long enough to get preggars again
Mar 16, 2009 5:35 PM
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Interesting, I hadn't thought of that.
But I hope she doesn't get pregnant just from that. If she is to re-enter the family, I want it to be because of Bill, Nicki, or his wives deciding to work out a solution, not because she got pregnant.
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Re: has Nikki been off the Pill long enough to get preggars again
Mar 16, 2009 5:00 PM
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> And earlier this month someone said (Titannia?) that
> the reason she was on the pill comes out in the
> Finale.
Buggzzee,
I know that I had posted that I had read (in Ausiello of TV Guide, I think) that it would become clear why Nicki was on the pill in the last episode. Titannia may have posted something, also. They have hinted at a lot but I still am expecting something
big. Maybe some sort of genetic disease and she feels like she has been lucky in dodging the bullet so far.
Another thing I wanted to say about Bill and his handling of the split from Nicki....many of us have been very critical of the way he has handled this. And I agree that he could have been much easier with her. But based on the way men in her past have handled unsealing, Bill has been a major gentleman. She has spoken of women literally being left at a gas station on the side of a road! Bill has found her an apartment (which I bet he is planning on paying for), he is not planning on taking Wayne and Raymond from her and has said he plans on making sure that all of the family still sees the children. Given everything that Nicki has pulled and the number of times he has forgiven her, I think he is behaving in a reasonable manner.
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Re: has Nikki been off the Pill long enough to get preggars again
Mar 16, 2009 4:59 PM
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> Knowing Bill i can see him being clueless about Nicky
> in this way. I mean first he would have to know that
> Nicky was not a virgin and second that she did have a
> child. Seems as thought Bill never took the time or
> effort to get to know Nicky. For goodness they shared
> a bed. I think after all of these years if Nicky
> never felt comfortable to tell Bill this information
> it is an indictiment on how many flaws their
> relationship had.
Even if Bill did have a close relationship with Nikki and knew everything about her, I do not think Nikki intended anyone in her new family to know about her first marriage, especially Bill. That is why she flipped out at Wanda when Wanda told everyone about JJ. That is why this secret of her is such a big deal: because it IS a secret and no one knows it.
As far as being a virgin, how could Bill really know? (Henry VIII and his great matter come to mind here) Many women are born without the physical attributes that indicate virginity, and as all women are built different, it isn?t something he could just know for certain without being told. And, at the end of the day, we know that Bill isn?t all that observant.
Perhaps the reason she never told Bill was not because of their ?lack of closeness? but because it was not something Nikki ever wanted to think about again. Her daughter was gone, and she had no hope of getting her back; it would only hurt her to consciously dwell on it (of course, by suppressing it, it has reeked havoc on her life). Also, she lost a child to get off the compound, it is not likely she would jeopardize the shaky new marriage that freed her from the compound by revealing that secret (and in her mind, that shame), then as time went on, it would have been harder and harder to revel, regardless of how close she and Bill were.
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Re: has Nikki been off the Pill long enough to get preggars again
Mar 16, 2009 4:37 PM
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Knowing Bill i can see him being clueless about Nicky in this way. I mean first he would have to know that Nicky was not a virgin and second that she did have a child. Seems as thought Bill never took the time or effort to get to know Nicky. For goodness they shared a bed. I think after all of these years if Nicky never felt comfortable to tell Bill this information it is an indictiment on how many flaws their relationship had.
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Re: has Nikki been off the Pill long enough to get preggars again
Mar 16, 2009 4:23 PM
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> Maybe Barb and Bill does not know but I do not think
> that this is Nicky's only problem.
Agreed. Of course, this isn?t her only problem; that girl is all messed up in the head, but the having to give up a child thing really explains a lot.
This also gives a new dimension to Nikki?s season two line to Bill: ?I?ve given up everything to be a part of this family. Why don?t you give up something for a change!?
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> Plus i think it is just unreaistic that Bill and Barb
> does not know. it is very common fact that is known
> that when a Mormon woman who practices polygamy gets
> unsealed or leaves her husband the children are given
> to the man. Even when faced with unsealing from Bill
> he said he would not take the boys. That was Nicky's
> first concern. So it is not a stretch that Nicky has
> a child with her first husband. Plus when Barb finds
> out I don't see how there should be this outrage over
> something that is widely practiced and known about in
> the community.
Bill and Barb had no idea she was married before, that is something that was made pretty clear early on this season (as is the fact that they have absolutely no idea she has another child). As someone mentioned in an earlier thread, when teenage Nikki was married to JJ, Bill had long severed his ties with Juniper Creek and he and Barb were monogamous upstanding LDS members with temple recommends and very young children. Her previous marriage was obviously hushed up, easy enough for the daughter of the Prophet, or it would have been mentioned before now.
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Re: has Nikki been off the Pill long enough to get preggars again
Mar 16, 2009 11:10 AM
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Maybe Barb and Bill does not know but I do not think that this is Nicky's only problem. Nicky has many issues not having her child is one of many. Nicky does not lie manipulate just because her child is not in her care. That stems from her upbringing and her psychotic parents.
Plus i think it is just unreaistic that Bill and Barb does not know. it is very common fact that is known that when a Mormon woman who practices polygamy gets unsealed or leaves her husband the children are given to the man. Even when faced with unsealing from Bill he said he would not take the boys. That was Nicky's first concern. So it is not a stretch that Nicky has a child with her first husband. Plus when Barb finds out I don't see how there should be this outrage over something that is widely practiced and known about in the community.
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