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Jul 23, 2008 7:15 PM
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> What was the memoirs called? I Like to read the
> background as well as see the movies.
Here's a link. It's very Victorian writing, I understand.
Memoirs
The book "Anna and the King of Siam" is worth a read. I read it a long time ago.
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Jul 23, 2008 6:59 PM
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What was the memoirs called? I Like to read the background as well as see the movies.
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Jul 23, 2008 6:29 PM
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> I remember very little talk of any other King in the
> movie except when the "head wife" told the kids that
> their map showed the King of Burma naked because he
> was very poor.
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> I can't imagine the film being banned because of some
> portrayal of some neighboring King -- I would imagine
> there was more politics to it or they are just very
> sensitive.
Let me clarify. The King, as in "The King and I," was King Mongkut. He is a great hero in Thailand, because he was an intellectual who made great reforms, and brought Siam in contact with the West. Thais find the portrayal of him in the movie offensive - it makes him look foolish in many ways - and therefore the movie is banned.
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Jul 23, 2008 6:28 PM
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> > One thing that apparently was true was his use
> of
> > "etcetera." He apparently used it a lot.
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> I really am glad to hear that!
But, did Anna really introduce the phrase to him, like she did in the '56 version?
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Jul 23, 2008 6:18 PM
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> One thing that apparently was true was his use of
> "etcetera." He apparently used it a lot.
I really am glad to hear that!
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Jul 23, 2008 6:18 PM
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> > Mar. . .question - If I understand correctly. .
> .the
> > movie is based on her memoirs, so the movie is
> > accurate to the book, however, the book is
> flawed and
> > inaccurate to the true story. No poetic
> license
> > taken in the movie, correct????
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> Oh, quite a lot of license was taken in the movie.
> In her memoir, Tuptim and the guy were burned alive
> e outside her window. Not true.
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> The movie was based on a book, which was based on her
> memoir, which was based on the truth.
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> So, the movie took liberties with the memoir (don't
> know about the book), and the memoir took liberties
> with the truth.
>
> One thing that apparently was true was his use of
> "etcetera." He apparently used it a lot.
Ha! Too funny -- of all the things to keep true. 
Yes, I read it again -- I understand better now.
My dad told me years ago that there was a prior movie made (Anna and the King of Siam?) in which her son, William, died in a riding accident and that it was a much more "dark" tale. Of course musicals always lighten things up a lot -- you can never trust musicals for being very historically accurate in my experience.
I remember very little talk of any other King in the movie except when the "head wife" told the kids that their map showed the King of Burma naked because he was very poor.
I can't imagine the film being banned because of some portrayal of some neighboring King -- I would imagine there was more politics to it or they are just very sensitive.
OK, Mar, sorry -- I have to learn to be more thorough when reading your historical essays ( )
King Mongkut --> the one portrayed by Yul Brenner -- OK, I get it.
Well, ya know, when the "starmaker machinery" (like Joni Mitchel spoke of) gets aholda ya who knows where it will end up -- I could see that -- it does make him look rather cartoonish -- whaddaygonnado? -- I believe Chow Yun Fat did a decent portrayal, I wonder how they feel about that.
Or maybe their problem is more with Ms Leonowens' tainted memoirs?
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Edited by JustHangin at 07/23/2008 3:27 PM PDT
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Jul 23, 2008 6:17 PM
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Replying to my own post to correct something...
> Oh, quite a lot of license was taken in the movie.
> In her memoir, Tuptim and the guy were burned alive
> e outside her window. Not true.
Anna didn't put that in her memoir - it was in the book, "Anna and the King of Siam." The Tuptim story was a separate book from her memoir, named "Romance of the Harem," a story garnered from palace gossip, and the writer of "Anna and the King of Siam" incorporated it into the story.
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Jul 23, 2008 6:17 PM
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> I am going to be starting a website that will be
> reviewing video games and recommending them to people
> (the online types that you get a free trial period
> and can then buy for around $20 usually) there is
> kind of a revolution going on in the video game
> industry where independents who market straight to
> consumers and bypass the big department stores and so
> forth are looking to cut out some of the retail and
> 'bloodsucking' infrastructure. It's a cool time to
> get involved in that -- I'm down for the struggle.
> Death to the man!
>
> I'll send you a link if you want when I have it
> running.
That sounds cool! I read an article about some of the struggles that the independent companies were having in that industry.
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Jul 23, 2008 6:09 PM
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> Mar. . .question - If I understand correctly. . .the
> movie is based on her memoirs, so the movie is
> accurate to the book, however, the book is flawed and
> inaccurate to the true story. No poetic license
> taken in the movie, correct????
Oh, quite a lot of license was taken in the movie. In her memoir, Tuptim and the guy were burned alive outside her window. Not true.
The movie was based on a book, which was based on her memoir, which was based on the truth.
So, the movie took liberties with the memoir (don't know about the book), and the memoir took liberties with the truth.
One thing that apparently was true was his use of "etcetera." He apparently used it a lot.
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Jul 23, 2008 6:00 PM
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Mar. . .question - If I understand correctly. . .the movie is based on her memoirs, so the movie is accurate to the book, however, the book is flawed and inaccurate to the true story. No poetic license taken in the movie, correct????
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Jul 23, 2008 5:44 PM
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> > She wasn't there when Mongkut died - she was on
> leave
> > in England. Prince Chulalongkorn wrote her a
> very
> > nice letter thanking her, but didn't invite her
> > back.
> >
> > Interesting, huh?
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> Say it ain't so! A film that took liberties from
> reality??
Take another look at what I actually said, JH. (Yeah, I was bored so I took a look at what you said.)
I said parts of her MEMOIR weren't true. Not the movie. She wrote a book claiming it was true, and parts of it simply weren't.
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Jul 23, 2008 5:21 PM
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> JH. . .I totally agree with JHO about Blood Diamond.
> There are some movies you can watch only once, and
> d Blood Diamond was one of those for me. . .My 10
> year old wanted to watch it. . .I kinda teetered back
> and forth on it for a while and then thought, ok. .
> .it's something that is actually happening and pretty
> accurate, so ok. . .He decided after 20 min he didn't
> like it, and changed it himself.
>
> They Live - now that was a good movie. . .And yes. .
> .that was a great fight scene. . .
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> The movie I get to see a lot of right now is The Fast
> and the Furious - all three of them. only because my
> son is so into them, and I have to "supervise" you
> know. 
Blood Diamond is tough to get thru, for sure.
F&F -- yeah Vin Diesel is a compelling character -- I have respect for speed and "twitch" but I'm more of a slow down, geek-moid myself, so I can't relate to all that stuff. F&F 3 in Japan was kinda interesting.
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Jul 23, 2008 5:17 PM
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> Well, her memoir says that her son died in a riding
> accident with the prince. He didn't - he grew up and
> became a soldier.
>
> The whole story of Tuptim was a story she had heard
> from the past, not to mention the burning/beheading
> stuff didn't happen. In fact, in Mongkut's time, if
> a wife/concubine didn't want to stay, she could go
> home if she didn't have children. And two did,
> during the time Anna was there.
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> She wasn't there when Mongkut died - she was on leave
> in England. Prince Chulalongkorn wrote her a very
> nice letter thanking her, but didn't invite her
> back.
>
> Interesting, huh?
Say it ain't so! A film that took liberties from reality??
You ever hear of how much Ron Howard changed the script of "A Beautiful Mind" from the book?
I like both "Beautiful Mind" versions myself -- but they are very different -- much more substance changed between those stories than in the Anna story, IMHO.
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Edited by JustHangin at 07/23/2008 2:18 PM PDT
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Jul 23, 2008 3:14 PM
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> > > I loved the King and I! I haven't seen it
> in
> > > forever, but when I was younger it was a
> > favourite.
> > > I've seen it twice now on stage, and it
> was
> > > s brilliant both times!
> >
> > I saw the movie again just a couple of weeks
> ago.
> > Still great, though it was interesting to read
> how
> > w much of Anna's memoir (on which it was based)
> > simply wasn't true. The movie cannot be shown
> in
> > Thailand because they find the portrayal of
> King
> > Mongkut, one of their great national heroes, so
> > offensive.
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> I had no idea! which parts aren't true?
Well, her memoir says that her son died in a riding accident with the prince. He didn't - he grew up and became a soldier.
The whole story of Tuptim was a story she had heard from the past, not to mention the burning/beheading stuff didn't happen. In fact, in Mongkut's time, if a wife/concubine didn't want to stay, she could go home if she didn't have children. And two did, during the time Anna was there.
She wasn't there when Mongkut died - she was on leave in England. Prince Chulalongkorn wrote her a very nice letter thanking her, but didn't invite her back.
Interesting, huh?
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