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My wife posts here as El1sa and after quoting something I had told her, she informed me that someone who apparently 'speaks' for the entire board let her know that you are the only person here that EVERY POSTER considers knowledgeable about Moronism.
The followoing are some of my qualifications regarding my knowledge and experience of LDS:
I am a 6th generation Mormon, studied LDS History at BYU where I worked and researched subjects in the LDS Archives. I have copies of files that represent 25 years of research on Mormon topics. All of these files are copied from primary original source documents,
letters, diaries, minutes of meetings, etc.; Adam-God quotes from diaries, letters, journals and The St. George Temple plus over 300 quotes regarding polygamy, 400 quotes relating to The Temple Endowment, Temple Garments, Calling & Election, Book of Anointings, Book of Sealings and Adoptions, Nauvoo Temple record etc. and various esoteric Mormon topics. In addition, I have copies of diaries and letters of Joseph Smith, Brigham Young, Willard Richards, Wilford Woodruff, Heber Kimball, D.W. Patten, Edward Partridge, William Clayton, William E. Mclellin, James Traughberg along with various letters from other early members such as John E. Page. I was instrumental in the leaking of the 1990 Temple Ceremony to the Tanners and others.
So, Zoar, what kinds of knowledge of the LDS do you have so that people here think you are to be believed and my wife to be pushed aside? I would like to get into a dialogue with you because I am 100% positive that when it comes to Moronism, at the very least, the other posters here will see with no doubt whatsoever that I have superior background & knowledge and that they will also see how foolish it is to take the word of one person who has not proved themselves other than to provide quotes from the D&C and/or BoM.
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Re: For Zoar, The Only One Here With Knowledge of All things LDS
Mar 18, 2009 12:26 AM
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Dallasdarling wrote:
> My biggest question about this religion is why there
> seems to be such a sense of family yet women aren't
> given the same respect as men.
LOL- Dallas- they are given respect- but why should the women be given the SAME respect ?
They are respected as women, should they be respected as men?
&They aren't allowed to
> hold the same "powers" as men. They aren't allowed at
> church functions that cater only to men. It's sad to
> see the civil rights clock turned back 200+ years
> every Sunday night.
What ones church and religion has to do with civil rights?
Do you wish to insert your sense of ''civil rights'' to ones church?
You may and must choose the church to your liking- where there are priestesses etc. - you have your choice, ~ perhaps that would make you wanting to leave the others alone with your ''civil rights'' sadness
> pehaps they'll be the one that
> can finally explain this to me.
Lol- when & if~ should you learn the the meaning and difference of civil rights and religious structures and establishments- churches, synagogues, temples, mosques etc.~ perhaps then one could try listening to you, with an intention of helping you- what it really was that you wanted?
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Re: For Zoar, The Only One Here With Knowledge of All things LDS
Mar 17, 2009 11:45 PM
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> The followoing are some of my qualifications
> regarding my knowledge and experience of LDS:
>
> I am a 6th generation Mormon, studied LDS History at
> BYU where I worked and researched subjects in the LDS
> Archives. I have copies of files that represent 25
> years of research on Mormon topics. All of these
> files are copied from primary original source
> documents,
> letters, diaries, minutes of meetings, etc.; Adam-God
> quotes from diaries, letters, journals and The St.
> George Temple plus over 300 quotes regarding
> polygamy, 400 quotes relating to The Temple
> Endowment, Temple Garments, Calling & Election, Book
> of Anointings, Book of Sealings and Adoptions, Nauvoo
> Temple record etc. and various esoteric Mormon
> topics. In addition, I have copies of diaries and
> letters of Joseph Smith, Brigham Young, Willard
> Richards, Wilford Woodruff, Heber Kimball, D.W.
> Patten, Edward Partridge, William Clayton, William E.
> Mclellin, James Traughberg along with various
> letters from other early members such as John E.
> Page. I was instrumental in the leaking of the 1990
> Temple Ceremony to the Tanners and others.
I'm curious Gazelem, are you still a member of the LDS church?
Another question. Is the information you were privy to in the LDS Archives, information that is available to the public or at least active church members?
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Re: For Zoar, The Only One Here With Knowledge of All things LDS
Mar 17, 2009 11:04 PM
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Hey Gazelem. If you only have one-TENTH of all that material from your time at BYU (what years were you there? I was a student 1970-1973) you sure have my vote as knowing your stuff!
Would love to hear more....
Latayne C Scott
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Mar 17, 2009 10:02 PM
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I'm still here.
I wasn't referring to you, I'm sorry it seemed that way.
I was referring to the young mormons on this board who do not like an ex-mormon grandma telling them things that are 'unseemly' about their church. Whether they're true or not.
My sensitivity comes from being a lifelong Utahn. Please accept my apology. 'night
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Mar 17, 2009 9:49 PM
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Some of the above mentioned posters don't care to
> have 'mormonism' discussed on this web site. They
> seem to prefer all dialogue remain in the narrow
> constraint of only "Big Love, TV Show".
I'm all for whatever. I just thought it was an odd and rather angry first post considering this is the informal setting of an internet forum about a TV drama and not say, a debate at a university or a discussion group primarily about religious doctrine.
> I can't imagine how mormonism can possibly be left
> out of the discussion.
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> Welcome to the board. Unfortunately I have to nod
> off now. Very tired.
Good night! Sleep well!
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Mar 17, 2009 9:40 PM
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I don't believe Zoar has ever been LDS. I may be wrong though. I haven't personally communicated with him.
I am an ex-mormon and lifelong Utahn who knows a great deal about the LDS church.
Current LDS true-believers on this board, especially those holding the 'holy priesthood', beg to differ. They find me to be either a liar, crazy, misinformed or suffering from Ahlzeimer's.
Some of the above mentioned posters don't care to have 'mormonism' discussed on this web site. They seem to prefer all dialogue remain in the narrow constraint of only "Big Love, TV Show".
I can't imagine how mormonism can possibly be left out of the discussion.
Welcome to the board. Unfortunately I have to nod off now. Very tired.
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Re: For Zoar, The Only One Here With Knowledge of All things LDS
Mar 17, 2009 9:35 PM
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Being someone who isn't at all familiar with the mormon religion, I enjoy reading posts on this board from those posters who have experienced the religion (on whatever level)
My biggest question about this religion is why there seems to be such a sense of family yet women aren't given the same respect as men. They aren't allowed to hold the same "powers" as men. They aren't allowed at church functions that cater only to men. It's sad to see the civil rights clock turned back 200+ years every Sunday night.
I mention this because I'm hoping that someday, someone can give me a logical answer to this question and being that the original poster has a long list of mormon qualifications, pehaps they'll be the one that can finally explain this to me.
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Re: For Zoar, The Only One Here With Knowledge of All things LDS
Mar 17, 2009 9:24 PM
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>>>So, Zoar, what kinds of knowledge of the LDS do you have so that people here think you are to be believed and my wife to be pushed aside?
Over on my JOSEPH SMITH'S JAIL CELL TOPIC,
http://boards.hbo.com/topic/Big-Love-Member/Josephs-Smiths-Jail/2000004883?start=45&#msg2000336002
Zoar told us that he has & that he's also read the diaries of Joe's wife & Mistresses (the 2 sisters who use to work as servants in Joe's household that he seduces).
One of them was named Emily and you can also read what she wrote here.
http://www.wivesofjosephsmith.org/2021-EmilyandElizaPartridge.htm
Anyhow Zoar & I got into a BIG PISSING CONTEST over this matter over on the JAIL CELL topic, because zoar also claims what Emily says justifies living a life of POLYGAMY (even though IMO what she's saying seems to indicate just the opposite).
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Re: For Zoar, The Only One Here With Knowledge of All things LDS
Mar 17, 2009 9:22 PM
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Yikes and criminy. You do know this is a board about a TV show, right? A fictional TV show?
I'm a recent poster but I've been lurking for a while... The only reason Zoar was referred to as our source "for all things LDS" is because he's generally the one who pops up with a knowledgeable bit of history or information to put things in context. Sort of like how you have a friend who is your go to guy about one bit of expertise or another... It was a joke/compliment paid to someone someone considered a friend. Not an insult or a declaration of absolute authority. Zoar never said a peep to that effect.
Please, watch where you're throwing that gauntlet. Someone might get hurt.
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For Zoar, The Only One Here With Knowledge of All things LDS
Mar 17, 2009 9:14 PM
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My wife posts here as El1sa and after quoting something I had told her, she informed me that someone who apparently 'speaks' for the entire board let her know that you are the only person here that EVERY POSTER considers knowledgeable about Moronism.
The followoing are some of my qualifications regarding my knowledge and experience of LDS:
I am a 6th generation Mormon, studied LDS History at BYU where I worked and researched subjects in the LDS Archives. I have copies of files that represent 25 years of research on Mormon topics. All of these files are copied from primary original source documents,
letters, diaries, minutes of meetings, etc.; Adam-God quotes from diaries, letters, journals and The St. George Temple plus over 300 quotes regarding polygamy, 400 quotes relating to The Temple Endowment, Temple Garments, Calling & Election, Book of Anointings, Book of Sealings and Adoptions, Nauvoo Temple record etc. and various esoteric Mormon topics. In addition, I have copies of diaries and letters of Joseph Smith, Brigham Young, Willard Richards, Wilford Woodruff, Heber Kimball, D.W. Patten, Edward Partridge, William Clayton, William E. Mclellin, James Traughberg along with various letters from other early members such as John E. Page. I was instrumental in the leaking of the 1990 Temple Ceremony to the Tanners and others.
So, Zoar, what kinds of knowledge of the LDS do you have so that people here think you are to be believed and my wife to be pushed aside? I would like to get into a dialogue with you because I am 100% positive that when it comes to Moronism, at the very least, the other posters here will see with no doubt whatsoever that I have superior background & knowledge and that they will also see how foolish it is to take the word of one person who has not proved themselves other than to provide quotes from the D&C and/or BoM.
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