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HBO's late-night boxing series heats up with an explosive doubleheader when HBO Boxing After Dark: Daniel Ponce De Leon vs. Rey Bautista and Jhonny Gonzalez vs. Gerry Penalosa is presented Saturday, August 11 at 10:00 PM (ET/PT), from the Arco Arena in Sacramento, Cal., exclusively on HBO. Discuss this fight here!
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Re: BAD: August 11th: Ponce De Leon vs. Bautista
Aug 13, 2007 11:13 PM
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> If you really agree with the referee's decision for
> that particular fight, then how about the michael
> katsidis vs czar amonsot fight.
Katsidis was cut. He wasn't rocked or stunned and his vision wasn't impaired. And he did win the fight. There is no way Bautista was gonna do anything in this fight but sustain more damage. Like I said before. If he is a worthy fighter he will sustain the loss and grow from it. If he doesn't then he wasn't all that to begin with.
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Re: BAD: August 11th: Ponce De Leon vs. Bautista
Aug 13, 2007 11:10 PM
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> referee makin decisions to save fighter's life? nah!
> there's still inconsistency compared to other fights
> like michael katsidis & czar amonsot fight..
It's not a perfect system. They're referees not doctors. And they're also human beings prone to error. They are making decisions sometimes with only seconds of information in the heat of a contested battle. If a referee makes a mistake and a fighter lives to fight another day that's a decision you can live with. If he doesn't do his job and a fighter gets killed that's a lot harder to take.
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Re: BAD: August 11th: Ponce De Leon vs. Bautista
Aug 13, 2007 10:24 PM
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If you really agree with the referee's decision for that particular fight, then how about the michael katsidis vs czar amonsot fight.
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Re: BAD: August 11th: Ponce De Leon vs. Bautista
Aug 13, 2007 10:22 PM
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referee makin decisions to save fighter's life? nah! there's still inconsistency compared to other fights like michael katsidis & czar amonsot fight..
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Re: BAD: August 11th: Ponce De Leon vs. Bautista
Aug 13, 2007 11:46 AM
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> the object of the game from a referee's standpoint
> is to protect a fighter from serious and permanent
> damage. if they exercise judgement on the side of
> caution i applaud them. too many fighters are brain
> damaged and some are killed by the punches they
> sustain in the ring. if a fighter is worthy he can
> overcome a loss. he can never overcome these other
> consequences. its a sport. and while i love an
> engaging fight with lots of action i do not cherish
> someone getting seriously hurt. bautista was
> outgunned. further action would have been more of the
> same. he will live to fight another day and entertain
> his fans. the ref did the right thing.
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> Well said. Bautista was done and if he wasn't, he
> would have found a way to survive the round. You
> could make a convincing argument that the fight could
> have been stopped after the first knockdown where
> Bautista seemed to suffer from the "deer in the
> headlights" treatment courtesy of Ponce De Leon. In
> the end, Roach and other members of Bautista's corner
> did not complain about the stoppage. That says a lot.
welcome back dumaurier.
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Re: BAD: August 11th: Ponce De Leon vs. Bautista
Aug 13, 2007 5:41 AM
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Good job for Ponce De Leon. Short and not sweet, Bautista still has a lot of potential and I can see him seeking a rematch in the future. Penalosa was clearly being outboxed by Jhonny, Jhonny was doing an excellent job up until that point. When you have a body banger like Penalosa(although he had problems getting inside) things like a livershot will immediately turn the tables. Congrats to both fighters on their victories!
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Re: BAD: August 11th: Ponce De Leon vs. Bautista
Aug 13, 2007 1:12 AM
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the object of the game from a referee's standpoint is to protect a fighter from serious and permanent damage. if they exercise judgement on the side of caution i applaud them. too many fighters are brain damaged and some are killed by the punches they sustain in the ring. if a fighter is worthy he can overcome a loss. he can never overcome these other consequences. its a sport. and while i love an engaging fight with lots of action i do not cherish someone getting seriously hurt. bautista was outgunned. further action would have been more of the same. he will live to fight another day and entertain his fans. the ref did the right thing.
Well said. Bautista was done and if he wasn't, he would have found a way to survive the round. You could make a convincing argument that the fight could have been stopped after the first knockdown where Bautista seemed to suffer from the "deer in the headlights" treatment courtesy of Ponce De Leon. In the end, Roach and other members of Bautista's corner did not complain about the stoppage. That says a lot.
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Re: BAD: August 11th: Ponce De Leon vs. Bautista
Aug 12, 2007 11:45 PM
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YourMaster saw Bautista's gloves hit the canvas, that's a knockdown, so why no eight count from the ref?
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Re: BAD: August 11th: Ponce De Leon vs. Bautista
Aug 12, 2007 4:39 PM
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I agree with the stoppage, but man De Leon came ready to fight that was horrible. It leaves me prechless WOW. just like the first fight
WOW.
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Re: BAD: The ref shouln't have stopped Bautista so fast
Aug 12, 2007 4:08 PM
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> Taking nothing away from De Leon, but could the referee
> at least started to count when Bautista went down and
> wait to see if he could get up? He went down from a
> punch to the forehead that took him off balance. He was
> trying to get up when the ref smothered him to keep him
> from getting up. The ref didn't even stop to take a
> closer look at Bautista. check to see if he can
> continue. Give him a count, see if he can get up, and
> then If he can't, fine then stop it.
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> The ref was all smiles in De Leon's corner after the
> fight. Is he from California?
The fight stoppage by the referee was perfectly okay.
It was quite apparent that Bautista haven't recovered from the the first knock down, then he got knocked down again.
The referee can only officiate the fight, but he can't give Bautista a replacement for his fragile filipino chin, which is unlike the one that Pacman got... 
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Re: BAD: August 11th: Ponce De Leon vs. Bautista
Aug 12, 2007 3:19 PM
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> Yes I agree with the refs calling fights too quickly.
> As I understand it the original rules in boxing were
> to give the fighter to a count of 10 to get back on
> his feet. I don't see that happening much anymore.
> The fighters are only getting to a count of 5 or 6 if
> lucky and not getting a sufficient amount of time to
> recover.
the object of the game from a referee's standpoint is to protect a fighter from serious and permanent damage. if they exercise judgement on the side of caution i applaud them. too many fighters are brain damaged and some are killed by the punches they sustain in the ring. if a fighter is worthy he can overcome a loss. he can never overcome these other consequences. its a sport. and while i love an engaging fight with lots of action i do not cherish someone getting seriously hurt. bautista was outgunned. further action would have been more of the same. he will live to fight another day and entertain his fans. the ref did the right thing.
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Re: BAD: August 11th: Ponce De Leon vs. Bautista
Aug 12, 2007 3:01 PM
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Yes I agree with the refs calling fights too quickly. As I understand it the original rules in boxing were to give the fighter to a count of 10 to get back on his feet. I don't see that happening much anymore. The fighters are only getting to a count of 5 or 6 if lucky and not getting a sufficient amount of time to recover.
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Re: BAD: August 11th: Ponce De Leon vs. Bautista
Aug 12, 2007 2:32 PM
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You picked all that up in less than 1 round? Who do you train?
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Re: BAD: The ref shouln't have stopped Bautista so fast
Aug 12, 2007 2:23 PM
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Taking nothing away from De Leon, but could the referee at least started to count when Bautista went down and wait to see if he could get up? He went down from a punch to the forehead that took him off balance.He was trying to get up when the ref smothered him to keep him from getting up. The ref didn't even stop to take a closer look at Bautista. Give him a count, see if he can get up, and then check to see if he can continue. If he can't, fine then stop it. The ref was all smiles in De Leon's corner after the fight. Is he from California? HBo mentioned that all the other fights were won by the Phillipino boxers. It doesn't look good. HBO, I Hope you're reading this. Even Lennox said Bautista didn't look warmed up. After the way Penalosa won, they should have given Bautista a little more time to show he was OK. It looked fixed!
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Re: BAD: August 11th: Ponce De Leon vs. Bautista
Aug 12, 2007 1:15 PM
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>  hey anybody who know who won on penalosa vs gonzalez?
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> Edited by draxacce at 08/12/2007 7:32 AM
Gonzalez was outpointing the little Filipino, until the 7th round when he got hit with a well-timed shot in the liver, which rendered Johnny's championship reign over...
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