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HBO's late-night boxing series presents a night of compelling welterweight action when HBO Boxing After Dark: Paul Williams vs. Carlos Quintana and Andre Berto vs. Michel Trabant is seen Saturday, Feb. 9 at 9:45 PM (ET/PT), from the Pechanga Resort and Casino in Temecula, Cal., exclusively on HBO. Discuss this fight here.
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Re: BAD: Feb 9: Williams vs. Quintana and Berto vs. Trabant
Feb 17, 2008 1:05 AM
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I think Tony's power is more heavy-handed rather than shocking because of his lack of speed...I don't see Tony hitting Miguel that square or flush...I think Margarito has decent power, but it's not as sharp as Cotto's...but Margarito probably has the better beard. All in all, good fight, for sure.
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Re: BAD: Feb 9: Williams vs. Quintana and Berto vs. Trabant
Feb 16, 2008 6:48 PM
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> > > Quintana vs Margarito would be an awsome
> fight
> > and
> > > very likely to happen, as Margarito has
> been
> > right on
> > > track to get his title back and is still a
> > contender
> > > and Quintana just pulled the offset and
> took
> > the
> > > belts, offrailing a possible
> Willims-Margarito
> > > rematch. Quintana vs Mosley would be a
> great
> > matchup.
> > > I wouldn't be surprised if Quintana and
> Cotto
> > tried
> > > to unify.
> >
> >
> > You're assuming of course that Quintana beats
> > Margarito. If Margarito puts a beatdown on him
> he
> > might fold again. I think that fight has great
> > potential. The fight at WW that I would like to
> see
> > most however is Margarito v Cotto.
> >
> > --
> > "To thine ownself be true. No one else is
> buying
> > that line of BS you're delivering anyway.".
> >
> > ~Bigtime 101~
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> Yes, that's a given. I would favor Quintana to win a
> slugfest because of his boxing skills, he also has a
> record against hard hitters except vs Cotto.
> Margarito vs Cotto could possibly be fight of the
> year, except both fighters are with Arum, there's a
> huge conflict of interest, unfortunately.
Where Arum is concerned its always a conflict of interest unless his pockets are lined appropriately.
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Re: BAD: Feb 9: Williams vs. Quintana and Berto vs. Trabant
Feb 16, 2008 6:24 PM
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> > Quintana vs Margarito would be an awsome fight
> and
> > very likely to happen, as Margarito has been
> right on
> > track to get his title back and is still a
> contender
> > and Quintana just pulled the offset and took
> the
> > belts, offrailing a possible Willims-Margarito
> > rematch. Quintana vs Mosley would be a great
> matchup.
> > I wouldn't be surprised if Quintana and Cotto
> tried
> > to unify.
>
>
> You're assuming of course that Quintana beats
> Margarito. If Margarito puts a beatdown on him he
> might fold again. I think that fight has great
> potential. The fight at WW that I would like to see
> most however is Margarito v Cotto.
>
> --
> "To thine ownself be true. No one else is buying
> that line of BS you're delivering anyway.".
>
> ~Bigtime 101~
Yes, that's a given. I would favor Quintana to win a slugfest because of his boxing skills, he also has a record against hard hitters except vs Cotto. Margarito vs Cotto could possibly be fight of the year, except both fighters are with Arum, there's a huge conflict of interest, unfortunately.
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Re: BAD: Feb 9: Williams vs. Quintana and Berto vs. Trabant
Feb 16, 2008 2:36 PM
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What the hell is all this talk about Pacman being #1 pound for pound? Are you kidding me. He's good there's no question but lets be serious here. He beat up on some washed up legends (Barrera & Morales) after they went through a huge war against one another and I'm suppose to be impressed? Morales still managed to pull out a win in the 1st fight as to say "look Barrera I beat a dude that whooped you". Morales was seeking redemption for his 2 losses to Barrera and he was determined to beat Pacman and thats exactly what he did. He lost his fire after that and I really can't blame him. He's old and he's been fighting his whole life. As far as the Marquez fight goes he got stunned by Pacman, got his nose broken, and was put on his ass 3 times in the 1st round. And what did he do after that? Dominated him for the rest of the fight breathing outta his mouth. There's just too much hype in boxing these days its no wonder UFC is giving the sport a run for its money. Don't get me wrong I'll watch a good boxing match over a UFC bear hugging competition. But you guys need to open your eyes about certain fighters. First you guys said Paul Williams was all big and bad and he turned out to be the joke I predicted him to be. Now you guys are saying Pacman is Pound for pound the best? Come on guys wake up. Pacman is good but he aint the best boxer in the world. Bhop Calzage & Floyd are dudes I can name off the top of my head right now that are better fighters then he is. Pacman the best<<<<<< LOL snap outta that dream
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Re: BAD: Feb 9: Williams vs. Quintana and Berto vs. Trabant
Feb 16, 2008 2:13 PM
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Pacman is good. But pound for pound #1? You gotta be kidding me. As much as I think that Floyd is a coward I still have to give him his due. Pac beat up on some over the hill legends and now everyone is on his jock. Morales and Barrera were clearly never the same after the wars they had against each other. And yet Morales still managed to pull out a win against the Pacman in their 1st fight.
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Re: BAD: Feb 9: Williams vs. Quintana and Berto vs. Trabant
Feb 16, 2008 1:01 PM
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> Big, I think Antonio is made-to-order for Cotto to
> destroy..he's too easy to hit and his height will
> make his stomach and liver vulnerable vital organs.
> 
Margarito has spent his entire career fighting on the inside. It's his bread and butter. No one has taken him out of his game yet. I like Cotto. I respect what he's doing. I give him a fair shake and beating Margarito but its not a wash. We don't know how well he will hold up against Tony's power.
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Re: BAD: Feb 9: Williams vs. Quintana and Berto vs. Trabant
Feb 16, 2008 8:54 AM
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Very good point sensetalk. There was a long time ago in a galaxy far far way that welterweights fought each other, lost, won, and lost again (Benitez, Duran, Hearns, Leonard, et al)....damn, those were the days.
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Re: BAD: Feb 9: Williams vs. Quintana and Berto vs. Trabant
Feb 16, 2008 8:51 AM
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Bets potential fights at welterweight:
Mayweather-Cotto
Cintron-Williams
Margarito-Quintana
Berto-Clottey
Since it appears unlikely that Mayweather will fight Cotto anytime, if ever...I'd say I'd have to go with Cotto-Margarito.
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Re: BAD: Feb 9: Williams vs. Quintana and Berto vs. Trabant
Feb 16, 2008 1:49 AM
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> Quintana vs Margarito would be an awsome fight and
> very likely to happen, as Margarito has been right on
> track to get his title back and is still a contender
> and Quintana just pulled the offset and took the
> belts, offrailing a possible Willims-Margarito
> rematch. Quintana vs Mosley would be a great matchup.
> I wouldn't be surprised if Quintana and Cotto tried
> to unify.
You're assuming of course that Quintana beats Margarito. If Margarito puts a beatdown on him he might fold again. I think that fight has great potential. The fight at WW that I would like to see most however is Margarito v Cotto.
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Re: BAD: Feb 9: Williams vs. Quintana and Berto vs. Trabant
Feb 15, 2008 9:52 PM
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Quintana vs Margarito would be an awsome fight and very likely to happen, as Margarito has been right on track to get his title back and is still a contender and Quintana just pulled the offset and took the belts, offrailing a possible Willims-Margarito rematch. Quintana vs Mosley would be a great matchup. I wouldn't be surprised if Quintana and Cotto tried to unify.
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Re: BAD: Feb 9: Williams vs. Quintana and Berto vs. Trabant
Feb 15, 2008 5:04 PM
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This fight has proven what we all said some time ago, .............................. that in this division, ............. there are fighters who will win fights, ......... but quickly come unstuck in their next match.
It's a close division and beating one or two people does not mean you beat the next guy, ......................... not by a long shot.
This is a great division with numerous high quality pugilists and a range of differing styles.
Bravo Carlos Quintana, ......... bravo 147lb !
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Re: BAD: Feb 9: Williams vs. Quintana and Berto vs. Trabant
Feb 13, 2008 7:41 PM
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> > > Lederman is your hero though.What will you
> do
> > now?
> >
> > Lederman is a clown.
> >
> > --
> > "What kills the skunk is the publicity it
> gives
> > itself.".
> >
> > ~Abraham Lincoln~
>
> We finally agree on something. Lederman is a bum. He
> use to call the majority of fights correct. But he
> has fallen. Fights are scored of clean punching,
> effective agressivess, and ring generalship. Lederman
> forgets to add the effective when he speaks on
> agressiveness.
I've actually said that same thing 100 times or more. Anyone who thinks I'm a Lederman fan is an unadulterated doofus.
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Re: BAD: Feb 9: Williams vs. Quintana and Berto vs. Trabant
Feb 13, 2008 5:48 PM
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Props to Quintana he definitely made me put my foot in my mouth. I thought Williams would be the biggest force in the welterweight division...I was wrong. You can't judge someone from one fight. Moving on.
A Mosley/Quintana fight is being talked about. Personally I'm like the next guy who wants unification but Mosley's boxing could present a great problem for Quintana. Plus there is no one else for each guy to face.
Floyd and Oscar are already ruining 2008 which was supposed to be a huge year for boxing. Besides money, Floyd will get nothing. Beating Oscar again will not silence the critics, but bring more out.
Pavlik/Taylor can easily be an upset. This is a definite PPV I will be ordering. I can't remember the last PPV I was so certain about. Maybe Jones/Ruiz or MAB/Morales. Anyone know the undercard?
I don't see Hopkins slowing down Calzaghe's energy. Call me crazy but I give Taylor and Pavlik a better shot.
Why not have Oscar fight Quintana in May? It will make a Mayweather bout SOMEWHAT appealing if he can pull it off. A decent non-ppv treat from the Golden Boy and...wait...nevermind Puerto Rican...forgot...bring on Forbes.
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Re: BAD: Feb 9: Williams vs. Quintana and Berto vs. Trabant
Feb 13, 2008 5:28 PM
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> > Lederman is your hero though.What will you do
> now?
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> Lederman is a clown.
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> --
> "What kills the skunk is the publicity it gives
> itself.".
>
> ~Abraham Lincoln~
We finally agree on something. Lederman is a bum. He use to call the majority of fights correct. But he has fallen. Fights are scored of clean punching, effective agressivess, and ring generalship. Lederman forgets to add the effective when he speaks on agressiveness.
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