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17 years ago March 18, Richard Steele gave Tyson a technical knockout over Razor Ruddock. This is one of the most controversial calls I can recall - particularly because of Richard Steele's Chavez/Taylor call a year previously.
What are some more controversial stops put to bouts that you can recall? Do you think the ref was justified in stopping it despite the controversy?
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Re: Bouts called too soon
May 28, 2008 11:30 AM
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I'm just glad he is no longer fighting. The guy fought up until 2002 until the tale of Taylor-Chavez came out.
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Re: Bouts called too soon
May 28, 2008 5:57 AM
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taylor vs. chavez was the worst stoppage ever, and then taylor vs. norris was stopped early too, u gotta feel for the guy
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Re: Bouts called too soon
May 27, 2008 12:28 AM
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Once did I think Steve was to late stopping a fight was against Edison Miranda.
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Re: Bouts called too soon
May 25, 2008 11:12 PM
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I believe fighters should be given more of a chance to recover from a punch or knowkdown because now an days ref's panic quickly and stop the fight immediately. In my opinion we need more ref's like Steve Smogger, the reason for that being is most ref's would have stopped the fight in rd. two of Taylor-Pavlik 1, but since Smogger didn't that is why Pavlik is MW Champion right now. That is why Smogger is my favorite ref, he lets the bout go on until it is absolutely clear a fighter can not continue.
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Re: Bouts called too soon
May 25, 2008 11:01 PM
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Vasquez vs Marquez II was a premature stoppage, Marquez should have been given more time because he was throwing back, and the ref just jumped inbetween the two fighters and waved his hands to put a halt to the bout.
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Re: Bouts called too soon
May 25, 2008 10:48 PM
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The ropes were clearly holding him up but that makes it a knockdown, not a knockout.
Actually it can be ruled as both, especially if the fighter is not punching in return as did Hearns.
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Re: Bouts called too soon
Mar 25, 2008 12:42 PM
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> While I agree that Evander Holyfield, Riddick Bowe,
> Meldrick Taylor, and Arturo Gatti shown a
> deterioration in their sppech, I would hold off on
> placing James Toney with the above mentioned group of
> fighters. In my opinion, Toney, a fighter who has
> always exhibited an excellent defense in the ring,
> was never the most articulate guy to begin with.
> Although he has always come across to me as a witty
> and fairly sharp person intellectually, James Toney
> has sounded basically the same since early on in his
> career. In my opinion, even if he had never stepped
> into a boxing ring, Toney would speak any better than
> he presently does.
I disagree. I was watchin a pre-fight interview with Jones and Toney talkin shit to each other and the difference is pretty apparent
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Re: Bouts called too soon
Mar 25, 2008 12:39 PM
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One of the worst stoppages ever, as minor as it may seem now, was Kevin Howard v Leonard in his first comeback. The guy wasn't hurt and Leonard even sympathized with Howard.
I know this is gonna piss some of you guys off, but that was always one of the big problems I had with Leonard. Not that the outcomes would have been all that different, but he got the benefit of alot of early stoppages IMHO. Including Benitez and the first Hearns fight. Maybe Hearns really was done as it appeared but in a fight like that Hearns should have been given an 8 count at the very least to see if he could continue. The ropes were clearly holding him up but that makes it a knockdown, not a knockout.
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Re: Bouts called too soon
Mar 25, 2008 10:38 AM
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While I agree that Evander Holyfield, Riddick Bowe, Meldrick Taylor, and Arturo Gatti shown a deterioration in their sppech, I would hold off on placing James Toney with the above mentioned group of fighters. In my opinion, Toney, a fighter who has always exhibited an excellent defense in the ring, was never the most articulate guy to begin with. Although he has always come across to me as a witty and fairly sharp person intellectually, James Toney has sounded basically the same since early on in his career. In my opinion, even if he had never stepped into a boxing ring, Toney would speak any better than he presently does.
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Re: Bouts called too soon
Mar 25, 2008 10:24 AM
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If you take a look at the impact boxing has claimed to current and recent champions, any fighter should have the right to earn as much money as possible. Look at Evander, Bowe, Toney, Gatti and many more these fighters speech is heavily slured, and in 10 years it could be much worse. Smart fighters like Floyd, Jones, and Hopkins who have high defensive ability are the ones who prosper in the end.
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Re: Bouts called too soon
Mar 22, 2008 10:43 PM
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Did anyone mention that Andy Lee's stoppage was premature? He was taking a pounding but still throwing back. They should have let it continue until he was packed out on a stretcher.
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Re: Bouts called too soon
Mar 22, 2008 9:07 PM
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It is a shame about Meldrick but that is the risk of boxing unfortunately. When you see someone affected like that it is easy to see why fighters want the fights that pay instead of the ones that may lead to immortality in the ring. Leonard waited to let the Hearns fight get real wealthy and it is a good thing because it cost him his eye sight from one eye. Just an example of what people should think about before ridiculing Floyd so easily. It is easy to say fight for the pride and the love of the game when you aint the one doing it. Just my thoughts.
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Re: Bouts called too soon
Mar 22, 2008 4:51 PM
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I was born and raised in Philly and I saw Meldrick Taylor a guy who earned millions in the ring walking down the street dropped some change and scrambled to get it. I still went over to him and introduced myself and told him I was a huge fan of his, @ this time his speech was slurred pretty bad-he said he was making a comeback-I didn't like that, of course I didn't question him about it but it did sadden me to hear about his future plans. Boxing is a dangerous sport-a blood sport-so I don't fault guys like Floyd for banking as much as he can-any legal way he can. Meldrick might be broke now-but atleast he had a chance to get his beak wet. Meldrick tried his best to give the fans what they want and now his health is bad and financially he doesn't have anything to show for all those ring wars-IT'S JUST MEMORIES NOW.
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Re: Bouts called too soon
Mar 22, 2008 4:42 PM
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Meldrick Taylor should've been allowed to continue-cause like some 1 said those 2 seconds didn't save him from anything. You can't even make it accross the ring in 2 seconds-Chavez was 2 slow to pull that off anyway. Taylor moved up in his very next fight and defeated a champ @ 147 then he made 1 entertaining title defence against a top 10 WW-then came a beat down from the hands of Terrible Terry Norris in 4 rounds-then 4 some strange reason his team put him in the ring against an undefeated fighter that enjoyed a height/ reach and2 fisted power advantage over Taylor. Taylor was beat up and stopped in 8 rounds. He was looking good in his rematch with Chavez but it seems he didn't learn from the 1st fight about going toe to toe with Chavez and was stopped again in 8 rounds.
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Re: Bouts called too soon
Mar 22, 2008 1:59 PM
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> Chavez was on the other side of the ring. 2 seconds
> was not enought time to get over there and hit him
> again. Its not like taylor was defenseless he was
> coherent and listening to Steele. It was LOu Douva
> that distracted Taylor by yelling at him at the same
> time Steele was asking him if he was alright. I like
> Steele and I know it is easy to second guess, but the
> man deserved his moment he had fought a hell of a
> fight and at times made Chavez look foolish
> especially early in the fight. 2 seconds would not
> have been enought time for Chavez especially since
> Taylor had his wits about him.
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Your right. The kid deserved his moment. He would have died in the rematch anyway. Even if they decided to fight a bum next that bum would have knocked him out. However the kid deserved to be rewarded for the punishment he endured.
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