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In the past there were fighters that were recognizable by everyone whether a boxing fan or not, like Ali and Tyson. Mayweather retired, but was becoming more recognizable outside of the ring, Oscar is on his way out, and the Heavyweight Division is full of boxers that are pretty much unknown to most. Someone needs to represent boxing and be the face of the sport, who do you think this boxer is or will be?
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Re: Who can be the face of boxing going forward?
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> Obviously in Ohio it is Pavlik, but he has a broader appeal that is growing.
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> I think Kelly Pavlik and Manny Pacquiao are the two guys who come to mind right away. Personality-wise they are both positive, very marketable guys who smile a lot and conduct themselves in a classy way. They are KO fighters too which CANNOT be overlooked. KO's are what makes boxers superstars, not dramatic ring entrances or throwing money at strippers. (Floyd)...
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> I remember when Pacquiao won his title on the undercard of a huge PPV event. I liked him immediately even before the fight started...
These were the two that came to mind for me when I read the question, so I'll just "ditto" your comments here.
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Re: Who can be the face of boxing going forward?
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Obviously in Ohio it is Pavlik, but he has a broader appeal that is growing.
I think Kelly Pavlik and Manny Pacquiao are the two guys who come to mind right away. Personality-wise they are both positive, very marketable guys who smile a lot and conduct themselves in a classy way. They are KO fighters too which CANNOT be overlooked. KO's are what makes boxers superstars, not dramatic ring entrances or throwing money at strippers. (Floyd)...
I remember when Pacquiao won his title on the undercard of a huge PPV event. I liked him immediately even before the fight started...
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Re: Who can be the face of boxing going forward?
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i never hated on roy jones...he has an entertaining style i could care less what mayweather said its what he did in the ring that i hated ...you already kno hitking! and i think that is what most fans that dont care too much for the guy think....he was a very boring to watch fighter..when he was in the ring with someone he knew could hurt him he would resort to holding and grabing even running...that is not boxing to me...roy jones did neither he took chances inside and outside the ring ...he beat a prime hopkins and a prime toney and a few other names...i dont hate mayweather but his best win was against an old delahoya ...which ithought dela won that fight....its not hating its being a realist that is my opinion like most boxing fans ...it takes heart it takes a fighter to take chances in the ring and outside the ring...by taking on all comers "MARGARITO" and now that the division is hot well he retired...that is why i dont care too much for him...i like boxing matches like roy jones they are boxing matches...fighters like hopkins and mayweather are the same boring fighters scared to get hit so resort to holding and trying to frustrate there oppts with dirty tactics....and it doesnt help that the damn refs dont tell them a damn thing...look you dont have to stand toe to toe ..but let your hands lose after all this is boxing isnt it...its not wrestling....and its not ufc....I DONT WANT TO GET INTO AN ARGUMENT ABOUT THIS CAUSE IM ALREADY TIRED OF ARGUING WITH HARHEADED FLOYD FOLLOWERS.....IAM A LOVER OF THE SPORT THEREFORE I CAN MAKE GOOD JUDGMENT ON WHAT I THINK ABOUT A FIGHT OR A FIGHTER...I LIKE FIGHTERS AND I HAVE MY FAVORITES BUT I DONT LET THAT GET IN MY WAY OF WHAT I THINK ABOUT THEM OR THE SITUATION THERE IN....BE A LOVER OF THE SPORT NOT OF THE FIGHTER.....mayweather was real good but will never be great in my eyes not like the chavezs leonards alis they took on four times better oppts than mayweather has ever faced...roy jones too has taken on all comers in his prime...when he started getting older he was more worried about the money than fighting the best and that is why people were crying on him for awhile...but in my eyes he is at another level up than mayweather any body can be undefeated...but its who you fight that makes you great not how many wins you racked up....
Damn, well said!
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Re: Who can be the face of boxing going forward?
Jun 30, 2008 8:25 PM
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> > i never hated on roy jones...he has an
> entertaining
> > style i could care less what mayweather said its
> what
> > he did in the ring that i hated ...you already
> kno
> > hitking! and i think that is what most fans that
> dont
> > care too much for the guy think....he was a
> very
> > boring to watch fighter..when he was in the ring
> with
> > someone he knew could hurt him he would resort
> to
> > holding and grabing even running...that is not
> boxing
> > to me...roy jones did neither he took chances
> inside
> > and outside the ring ...he beat a prime hopkins
> and a
> > prime toney and a few other names...i dont hate
> > mayweather but his best win was against an old
> > delahoya ...which ithought dela won that
> fight....its
> > not hating its being a realist that is my
> opinion
> > like most boxing fans ...it takes heart it takes
> a
> > fighter to take chances in the ring and outside
> the
> > ring...by taking on all comers "MARGARITO" and
> now
> > that the division is hot well he retired...that
> is
> > why i dont care too much for him...i like
> boxing
> > matches like roy jones they are boxing
> > matches...fighters like hopkins and mayweather
> are
> > the same boring fighters scared to get hit so
> resort
> > to holding and trying to frustrate there oppts
> with
> > dirty tactics....and it doesnt help that the
> damn
> > refs dont tell them a damn thing...look you dont
> have
> > to stand toe to toe ..but let your hands lose
> after
> > all this is boxing isnt it...its not
> wrestling....and
> > its not ufc....I DONT WANT TO GET INTO AN
> ARGUMENT
> > ABOUT THIS CAUSE IM ALREADY TIRED OF ARGUING
> WITH
> > HARHEADED FLOYD FOLLOWERS.....IAM A LOVER OF
> THE
> > SPORT THEREFORE I CAN MAKE GOOD JUDGMENT ON WHAT
> I
> > THINK ABOUT A FIGHT OR A FIGHTER...I LIKE
> FIGHTERS
> > AND I HAVE MY FAVORITES BUT I DONT LET THAT GET
> IN MY
> > WAY OF WHAT I THINK ABOUT THEM OR THE SITUATION
> THERE
> > IN....BE A LOVER OF THE SPORT NOT OF THE
> > FIGHTER.....mayweather was real good but will
> never
> > be great in my eyes not like the chavezs
> leonards
> > alis they took on four times better oppts than
> > mayweather has ever faced...roy jones too has
> taken
> > on all comers in his prime...when he started
> getting
> > older he was more worried about the money than
> > fighting the best and that is why people were
> crying
> > on him for awhile...but in my eyes he is at
> another
> > level up than mayweather any body can be
> > undefeated...but its who you fight that makes
> you
> > great not how many wins you racked up....
>
> I co-sign this.
>
> especially the hardheaded part. once some real
> fighters get in there, boxing fans will realize what
> the fcuk they have been missing. fight fight fight.
>
> HBO is not the HOLDER BOXING OFFICE
> they made their name on fighters.
>
> --
> I came
> I saw
> and I conquered
This does make more sence, every fighter has flaws but some more than others . Then trying to cover it up. I just think some of these fighters can't handle the spot light or pressure. And thats why they fail. Seperate the men from the boys! Thats what it's about.
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Re: Who can be the face of boxing going forward?
Jun 30, 2008 8:03 PM
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> i never hated on roy jones...he has an entertaining
> style i could care less what mayweather said its what
> he did in the ring that i hated ...you already kno
> hitking! and i think that is what most fans that dont
> care too much for the guy think....he was a very
> boring to watch fighter..when he was in the ring with
> someone he knew could hurt him he would resort to
> holding and grabing even running...that is not boxing
> to me...roy jones did neither he took chances inside
> and outside the ring ...he beat a prime hopkins and a
> prime toney and a few other names...i dont hate
> mayweather but his best win was against an old
> delahoya ...which ithought dela won that fight....its
> not hating its being a realist that is my opinion
> like most boxing fans ...it takes heart it takes a
> fighter to take chances in the ring and outside the
> ring...by taking on all comers "MARGARITO" and now
> that the division is hot well he retired...that is
> why i dont care too much for him...i like boxing
> matches like roy jones they are boxing
> matches...fighters like hopkins and mayweather are
> the same boring fighters scared to get hit so resort
> to holding and trying to frustrate there oppts with
> dirty tactics....and it doesnt help that the damn
> refs dont tell them a damn thing...look you dont have
> to stand toe to toe ..but let your hands lose after
> all this is boxing isnt it...its not wrestling....and
> its not ufc....I DONT WANT TO GET INTO AN ARGUMENT
> ABOUT THIS CAUSE IM ALREADY TIRED OF ARGUING WITH
> HARHEADED FLOYD FOLLOWERS.....IAM A LOVER OF THE
> SPORT THEREFORE I CAN MAKE GOOD JUDGMENT ON WHAT I
> THINK ABOUT A FIGHT OR A FIGHTER...I LIKE FIGHTERS
> AND I HAVE MY FAVORITES BUT I DONT LET THAT GET IN MY
> WAY OF WHAT I THINK ABOUT THEM OR THE SITUATION THERE
> IN....BE A LOVER OF THE SPORT NOT OF THE
> FIGHTER.....mayweather was real good but will never
> be great in my eyes not like the chavezs leonards
> alis they took on four times better oppts than
> mayweather has ever faced...roy jones too has taken
> on all comers in his prime...when he started getting
> older he was more worried about the money than
> fighting the best and that is why people were crying
> on him for awhile...but in my eyes he is at another
> level up than mayweather any body can be
> undefeated...but its who you fight that makes you
> great not how many wins you racked up....
I co-sign this.
especially the hardheaded part. once some real fighters get in there, boxing fans will realize what the fcuk they have been missing. fight fight fight.
HBO is not the HOLDER BOXING OFFICE
they made their name on fighters.
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well then i guess we agree that we disagree ..its cool everyone has there opinion...piece out but i am still glad he retired...
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Re: Who can be the face of boxing going forward?
Jun 30, 2008 9:33 AM
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> i never hated on roy jones...he has an entertaining
> style i could care less what mayweather said its what
> he did in the ring that i hated ...you already kno
> hitking! and i think that is what most fans that dont
> care too much for the guy think....he was a very
> boring to watch fighter..when he was in the ring with
> someone he knew could hurt him he would resort to
> holding and grabing even running...that is not boxing
> to me...roy jones did neither he took chances inside
> and outside the ring ...he beat a prime hopkins and a
> prime toney and a few other names...i dont hate
> mayweather but his best win was against an old
> delahoya ...which ithought dela won that fight....its
> not hating its being a realist that is my opinion
> like most boxing fans ...it takes heart it takes a
> fighter to take chances in the ring and outside the
> ring...by taking on all comers "MARGARITO" and now
> that the division is hot well he retired...that is
> why i dont care too much for him...i like boxing
> matches like roy jones they are boxing
> matches...fighters like hopkins and mayweather are
> the same boring fighters scared to get hit so resort
> to holding and trying to frustrate there oppts with
> dirty tactics....and it doesnt help that the damn
> refs dont tell them a damn thing...look you dont have
> to stand toe to toe ..but let your hands lose after
> all this is boxing isnt it...its not wrestling....and
> its not ufc....I DONT WANT TO GET INTO AN ARGUMENT
> ABOUT THIS CAUSE IM ALREADY TIRED OF ARGUING WITH
> HARHEADED FLOYD FOLLOWERS.....IAM A LOVER OF THE
> SPORT THEREFORE I CAN MAKE GOOD JUDGMENT ON WHAT I
> THINK ABOUT A FIGHT OR A FIGHTER...I LIKE FIGHTERS
> AND I HAVE MY FAVORITES BUT I DONT LET THAT GET IN MY
> WAY OF WHAT I THINK ABOUT THEM OR THE SITUATION THERE
> IN....BE A LOVER OF THE SPORT NOT OF THE
> FIGHTER.....mayweather was real good but will never
> be great in my eyes not like the chavezs leonards
> alis they took on four times better oppts than
> mayweather has ever faced...roy jones too has taken
> on all comers in his prime...when he started getting
> older he was more worried about the money than
> fighting the best and that is why people were crying
> on him for awhile...but in my eyes he is at another
> level up than mayweather any body can be
> undefeated...but its who you fight that makes you
> great not how many wins you racked up....
I, like you am tired of the Floyd Matweather dissucion. And even though were on opposite ends of the Mayweather debate I can respect you because you don't get on here and bitch about how bad he was everyday. But, as you know I disagree. Yeah, his style could get a little boring, but a lot of great fighter's style is not pleasing on the eyes. And I disagree with you that he ran from opponents that could hurt him and on his best win. In my opinion, he faced the biggest puncher of his career against the late Diego Corrales and had his best win and performance. And to me Money isn't getting a fair shake on his opponents. He fought the very best between 130 and 140 (technically fought Hatton at welterweight), beat the reigning welterweight champ and had a good (no great) win over a much larger de la Hoya. I liked the guy, he's the best fighter I've ever seen, and I'm sad he's gone. I mean nowadays how many top level elite fighters score KOs is a least half of their biggest fights. Because that's exactly what Money did.
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Re: Who can be the face of boxing going forward?
Jun 29, 2008 10:47 PM
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i never hated on roy jones...he has an entertaining style i could care less what mayweather said its what he did in the ring that i hated ...you already kno hitking! and i think that is what most fans that dont care too much for the guy think....he was a very boring to watch fighter..when he was in the ring with someone he knew could hurt him he would resort to holding and grabing even running...that is not boxing to me...roy jones did neither he took chances inside and outside the ring ...he beat a prime hopkins and a prime toney and a few other names...i dont hate mayweather but his best win was against an old delahoya ...which ithought dela won that fight....its not hating its being a realist that is my opinion like most boxing fans ...it takes heart it takes a fighter to take chances in the ring and outside the ring...by taking on all comers "MARGARITO" and now that the division is hot well he retired...that is why i dont care too much for him...i like boxing matches like roy jones they are boxing matches...fighters like hopkins and mayweather are the same boring fighters scared to get hit so resort to holding and trying to frustrate there oppts with dirty tactics....and it doesnt help that the damn refs dont tell them a damn thing...look you dont have to stand toe to toe ..but let your hands lose after all this is boxing isnt it...its not wrestling....and its not ufc....I DONT WANT TO GET INTO AN ARGUMENT ABOUT THIS CAUSE IM ALREADY TIRED OF ARGUING WITH HARHEADED FLOYD FOLLOWERS.....IAM A LOVER OF THE SPORT THEREFORE I CAN MAKE GOOD JUDGMENT ON WHAT I THINK ABOUT A FIGHT OR A FIGHTER...I LIKE FIGHTERS AND I HAVE MY FAVORITES BUT I DONT LET THAT GET IN MY WAY OF WHAT I THINK ABOUT THEM OR THE SITUATION THERE IN....BE A LOVER OF THE SPORT NOT OF THE FIGHTER.....mayweather was real good but will never be great in my eyes not like the chavezs leonards alis they took on four times better oppts than mayweather has ever faced...roy jones too has taken on all comers in his prime...when he started getting older he was more worried about the money than fighting the best and that is why people were crying on him for awhile...but in my eyes he is at another level up than mayweather any body can be undefeated...but its who you fight that makes you great not how many wins you racked up....
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Re: Who can be the face of boxing going forward?
Jun 29, 2008 2:32 PM
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> I agree with you But, like !Hitking said Cotto is in
> the mix 2.
> HitKing ,I belive IMO the only reason RJJ & FM are
> hated on so muchis not for their performances in the
> ring but,for their personalities in & out of the
> ring.The flashy style and endless trash talk probably
> offends some or maybe reminds them of someone who
> took their lunch money at school.I have no problem
> with how they carry their self personally.But,you got
> some dudes like one on here who has a bad reaction to
> his Adult ADD pills and he can't seem 2 focus on
> anything else but FMOAT.But, IMO it's got to be the
> personality that intimidates these people because
> nobody can deny the Raw Talent these Boxers Have.
> In saying that,After Pac Mans performance last night
> he can't be denied He' seems to be on a mission that
> resembles Mayweathers carrer dominating and holding
> titles in many different weight classes.Thats real
> P4P s$$t.
> And,doing it nicely.I just don't know how long it'll
> continue.
> But,for the long haul I tend to lean toward Pav
> because of his humbleness I think he'll handle up in
> the ring And won't knock anybodys feelings off their
> sleeves outside the Ring.
I agree. I personally always felt Jones' and Money's "personalities" were just acts. My dad is from Monroe Co., AL and that's only like an hour or so north of Pensecola. Some of my cousins would go down to Pensecola and play basketball with Jones. He's a real cool guy and humble cat. I felt he was just playing a role to try and fill seats. He knew he oppenents had no chance and had to add drama to the fights the best way he could. Same with Money. I feel like he wasted so many years being a jackass outside the ring and couldn't be trusted to be aggresively marketed. When he finally matured he had the create a persona that could sell, whether fans loved or hated him. I think the real Mayweather is somewhere in between the guy who crys like a baby after a big win and the guy who acts like an arrogant asshole throws money and all that bullshit. Either way, Jones and Money are the best two fighters of their respective eras so screw what a couple "fans" think.
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Re: Who can be the face of boxing going forward?
Jun 29, 2008 1:03 PM
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>with Kelly Pavlik's great attitude and his style of fighting, his "I'll fight anyone" attitude he is the future face of boxing
I agree with you But, like !Hitking said Cotto is in the mix 2.
HitKing ,I belive IMO the only reason RJJ & FM are hated on so muchis not for their performances in the ring but,for their personalities in & out of the ring.The flashy style and endless trash talk probably offends some or maybe reminds them of someone who took their lunch money at school.I have no problem with how they carry their self personally.But,you got some dudes like one on here who has a bad reaction to his Adult ADD pills and he can't seem 2 focus on anything else but FMOAT.But, IMO it's got to be the personality that intimidates these people because nobody can deny the Raw Talent these Boxers Have.
In saying that,After Pac Mans performance last night he can't be denied He' seems to be on a mission that resembles Mayweathers carrer dominating and holding titles in many different weight classes.Thats real P4P s$$t.
And,doing it nicely.I just don't know how long it'll continue.
But,for the long haul I tend to lean toward Pav because of his humbleness I think he'll handle up in the ring And won't knock anybodys feelings off their sleeves outside the Ring.
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Re: Who can be the face of boxing going forward?
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> To me DJ I wouldn't call Pacman or Calzage the P4P
> king. Yeah, somebody has to rated #1, but neither
> can make a undisputed claim at that title. If
> Mayweather indeed stays retired I don't think Pac or
> Calzage matters as far as P4P. Both guys are getting
> up there in age and I dought they will be able to go
> on the three, four year run that would be necessary
> to make the masses forget about Money. If Money is
> gone for good, I think we should be looking at guys
> like Kelly Pavlik and Miguel Cotto as the possible
> heir to the P4P throne. They are both young enough
> and appear ro be good enough to be dominate for the
> next several years.
By way of records and titles Manny Pacquiao is undisputed except for some insecured analyst. Ring Magz and Yahoo Sports are very reliable sources of sports record.
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Jun 29, 2008 12:47 AM
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with Kelly Pavlik's great attitude and his style of fighting, his "I'll fight anyone" attitude he is the future face of boxing!
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Re: Who can be the face of boxing going forward?
Jun 28, 2008 9:01 PM
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> See I don't feel Roy Jones or Floyd Mayweather is
> getting a fair shake. I mean Jones fought all the
> best fighters between middleweight and light
> heavyweight for fifteen years. Mayweather fought all
> the top guys between 130 and 140, beat the linear
> welterweight champ, and had the mega fight with de la
> Hoya. Who the hell else are they supposed to fight.
> I feel the frustration with Mayweather is he retired
> d before fighting a new, young, and up-in-coming
> fighter and now people are saying he ducked Cotto.
> To me Cotto is to Mayweather what Tarver was to
> o Jones. If they beat these guys easily, everyone
> says they were just any other bum they beat, but if
> they lose people jump up and down saying I told you
> they were never any good. I just personally feel
> that's unfair to the two fighters.
I agree with this 100%. Peeps should give credit where credit is due instead of run their mouth about how crappy fighters such as these two are. If they are doing such a terrible job at it then the people running thier mouths should get in the ring and show us how to do it.
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> > i think many people are saying the same thing.
> Te
> > hbo commentators are saying it. every boxing
> analyst
> > is saying it, and they said it about RJJ too.
> >
> > I am not alone in this. FM is being criticized
> for
> > not fighting the big 3 in the WW.
> >
> > RJJ was criticized for not fighting several
> people.
> > but i don't want to go over and over and over
> this
> > s stuff.
> >
> > They did not fight the fights and boxing
> history
> > should reflect that. and people should not be
> > subjected to the school girl fanaticism thats
> out
> > there for saying it.
> >
> > --
> > I came
> > I saw
> > and I conquered
>
> See I don't feel Roy Jones or Floyd Mayweather is
> getting a fair shake. I mean Jones fought all the
> best fighters between middleweight and light
> heavyweight for fifteen years. Mayweather fought all
> the top guys between 130 and 140, beat the linear
> welterweight champ, and had the mega fight with de la
> Hoya. Who the hell else are they supposed to fight.
> I feel the frustration with Mayweather is he retired
> d before fighting a new, young, and up-in-coming
> fighter and now people are saying he ducked Cotto.
> To me Cotto is to Mayweather what Tarver was to
> o Jones. If they beat these guys easily, everyone
> says they were just any other bum they beat, but if
> they lose people jump up and down saying I told you
> they were never any good. I just personally feel
> that's unfair to the two fighters.
fine. thats how you see it. we went over this. No need to go over it again.
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Re: Who can be the face of boxing going forward?
Jun 28, 2008 8:34 PM
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Chavez Jr. has a chance to be the face for boxing, but we will see in a few years.
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