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It's the fight everyone is talking about. On May 5th the whole world will be watching. De La Hoya -- Mayweather: The World Awaits.
It will be an unprecedented super fight between two boxing superstars and former Olympians, an event poised to shatter records. Golden Boy Promotions announces, The World Awaits--six-division world champion Oscar De La Hoya versus unbeaten, four-division world champion Floyd Mayweather--for the junior middleweight championship. The anticipated match-up will take place Saturday, May 5 at MGM Grand in Las Vegas and will be broadcast live on HBO Pay-Per-View. Discuss this fight here.
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Re: HBO PAY PER VIEW: OSCAR DE LA HOYA VS. FLOYD MAYWEATHER
Nov 28, 2007 2:35 PM
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yes and no
Royce Gracie should have NEVER beaten Kimo Leopold and Ken Shamrock, however since it was early MMA and they didnt know any betterabout the guie(sp?) it helpe dhim beat those two has the out grappled him, and gound n pounde dhim but got gased and the gi fucked up thier leverage.
Rampage Jackson has done well in a RING, He has participated in K-1 which is a boxing esk match.
Rampage knocked out his two oppents.
Duplicity mentioned just a handful of "wrestlers" but there are also numerous shoot fighters, Sambo, and numerous other grappling styles.
plus there are great grapplers and strikers great example is George St. Pierre
Whomever said Pride is better product is a half thought argument. Pride has better talent, but the rules andofficals were nortirously horrid (any non Pride star or Jap. gets screwed every split D end). plus Pride didnt know how to market, thats why they are now out of buisness.
lastly UFC has an extremely strict substane policy. first offence=one year ban with out pay.
meaning they cant fight in the UFC nor in Las Vegas for an entire year.
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Re: HBO PAY PER VIEW: OSCAR DE LA HOYA VS. FLOYD MAYWEATHER
Jul 6, 2007 11:30 AM
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the thing about MMA that sucks is that it's not the same as it was when it first came out. the first 5 UFCS were AMAZING.
I mean my family would gather and watch it and love it. when you had legitamate fighters against other LEgitamate fighters. its not like that anymore
PPL can say what they want about how good or bad it is but the truth is it's not the same sport anymore, it has become a streetfight sport bottom line.
When they had a REAL kickboxer take on a REAL Ju Jitsu master it was wild and fun to watch.
no one can deny what they watch when watching UFC two guys mauling aeach other until the other guy gets one down, they roll around a lil on the ground until the ref calls it off. that's it. Its a sloppy sport
the guys are definetly athletic although they seem to hit the juice HARD,
but no one should take that away from them. these are tough fighters but these are not the same fighters when the UFC just started out neither is it the same sport.
it seems that ever since Tank ABBOT, and the Chuck Liddells entered into this competion it stopped being an intresting sport but more of a semi-decent brawl.
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Re: HBO PAY PER VIEW: OSCAR DE LA HOYA VS. FLOYD MAYWEATHER
Jun 9, 2007 8:41 PM
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> >
> > By in large the dominate mma fighters are
> dominate
> > because they are dominate strikers, first.
> They then
> > learn take down and submission defense to
> neutralize.
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> That is not true. Tito, Hughes, Coleman, Randleman
> and Liddell (among others) were all strong wrestlers
> BEFORE MMA.
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> and you mean "dominant".
that's also true. grapplers have ruled mma. the striking game is coming into its own and will be a force. but a striker without a ground game has a short lifespan in mma.
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Re: HBO PAY PER VIEW: OSCAR DE LA HOYA VS. FLOYD MAYWEATHER
Jun 9, 2007 8:39 PM
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> MMA is a craft and is an art (Mixed Martial ARTS)
> regardless of what anyone thinks. Karate, TKD, Ju
> Jutsu, boxing, kickboxing, all of these things
> encorporated into one to make a crafty, well rounded,
> tough bastard. A street fight is two thugs going at
> it swinging like animals. UFC consists of guys who
> bust their asses training just as boxers do with
> their respective fighting styles. To discredit them
> is wrong.
>
> To compare the two is also stupid. Chuck Liddell and
> Rampage get crushed in the ring...Mayweather and Wlad
> get crushed in the Octogon. Stupid comparison, two
> sports, two different styles. People need to stop
> choosing one or the other. It's not Democrat and
> Republican, it's not straight and gay, it's not a
> "this or that" scenario. I like them both, enjoy
> boxing more, but don't discredit the MMA fighters.
exactly. many different skills are required.
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Re: HBO PAY PER VIEW: OSCAR DE LA HOYA VS. FLOYD MAYWEATHER
Jun 9, 2007 5:59 PM
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>
> By in large the dominate mma fighters are dominate
> because they are dominate strikers, first. They then
> learn take down and submission defense to neutralize.
>
That is not true. Tito, Hughes, Coleman, Randleman and Liddell (among others) were all strong wrestlers BEFORE MMA.
and you mean "dominant".
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Re: HBO PAY PER VIEW: OSCAR DE LA HOYA VS. FLOYD MAYWEATHER
Jun 9, 2007 5:37 PM
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The question is not
"what would this boxer do against that mma guy."
The question is
"how would a championship caliber boxer, with 1 year at Rickson's school in Cali do in mma?
In general the answer is dominate.
By in large the dominate mma fighters are dominate because they are dominate strikers, first. They then learn take down and submission defense to neutralize. Over time they become proficient on the ground. Strikers are born, wrestling is learned.
That is not opinion, just historical fact. That is why the Gracie's no longer have a hold on mma.
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Re: HBO PAY PER VIEW: OSCAR DE LA HOYA VS. FLOYD MAYWEATHER
Jun 9, 2007 2:59 PM
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>
>
> MMA is a craft and is an art (Mixed Martial ARTS)
> regardless of what anyone thinks. Karate, TKD, Ju
> Jutsu, boxing, kickboxing, all of these things
> encorporated into one to make a crafty, well rounded,
> tough bastard. A street fight is two thugs going at
> it swinging like animals. UFC consists of guys who
> bust their asses training just as boxers do with
> their respective fighting styles. To discredit them
> is wrong.
>
> To compare the two is also stupid. Chuck Liddell and
> Rampage get crushed in the ring...Mayweather and Wlad
> get crushed in the Octogon. Stupid comparison, two
> sports, two different styles. People need to stop
> choosing one or the other. It's not Democrat and
> Republican, it's not straight and gay, it's not a
> "this or that" scenario. I like them both, enjoy
> boxing more, but don't discredit the MMA fighters.
Do they, like, have a coin toss for who gets the
thick glass beer mug and who gets the cue stick ?
And do they pay for the ambulance rides or do the
fighters pay out of their purse ?
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Re: HBO PAY PER VIEW: OSCAR DE LA HOYA VS. FLOYD MAYWEATHER
Jun 9, 2007 2:40 PM
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> > > the ufc heavyweight champ is 43. the light
> > > heavyweight champ that just lost to a 26 year
> old
> > is
> > > 38. Many different ages fight eachother and all
> > have
> > > their bearing and wit .There are many ways to
> win
> > a
> > > fight in MMA. Other than the 100 or so fight
> > > historians that can appreciate a boring 12 round
> > > match, the rest of the world could care less.
> > Boxing
> > > is dead. I was a huge fan, but I feel that the
> > golden
> > > age is done for whatever the reason. zzzzzzzzzz
> >
> > Its sad to see a "huge fan" say that about the
> sweet
> > science. MMA is garbage and the reason so many
> love
> > it, is because any loser can do it. How is it
> > justified that someone who is 2-1 or 5-2 in the
> UFC
> > gets a title shot? You dont have to earn much to be
> a
> > "champion". Its too bad that people dont see MMA
> for
> > what it is, wanna-be fighters that took the easy
> road
> > to professional sports. Instead of learning a
> craft,
> > they fight just to fight. Mayweather is bad for
> > Boxing, but he is a master at his craft. Boxing
> isnt
> > dying like you think, but it is hurting because of
> > greed. If you think Boxing is borring, watch the
> UFC
> > when fights go to the ground. And if you think Don
> > King is bad, keep feeding Dana White and watch
> what
> > happens. Total control.
>
> The King of Boxing and the King of MMA gets into a
> brawl in a bar somewhere; who kicks ass? That's the
> attraction of the MMA to the younger viewers. Boxing
> is totally worthless once the fight has no holds
> barred or it gets to the ground like mostly all
> street fights do.
MMA is a craft and is an art (Mixed Martial ARTS) regardless of what anyone thinks. Karate, TKD, Ju Jutsu, boxing, kickboxing, all of these things encorporated into one to make a crafty, well rounded, tough bastard. A street fight is two thugs going at it swinging like animals. UFC consists of guys who bust their asses training just as boxers do with their respective fighting styles. To discredit them is wrong.
To compare the two is also stupid. Chuck Liddell and Rampage get crushed in the ring...Mayweather and Wlad get crushed in the Octogon. Stupid comparison, two sports, two different styles. People need to stop choosing one or the other. It's not Democrat and Republican, it's not straight and gay, it's not a "this or that" scenario. I like them both, enjoy boxing more, but don't discredit the MMA fighters.
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Re: HBO PAY PER VIEW: OSCAR DE LA HOYA VS. FLOYD MAYWEATHER
Jun 9, 2007 1:13 PM
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rampage would beat tyson's ass in a street fight.
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Re: HBO PAY PER VIEW: OSCAR DE LA HOYA VS. FLOYD MAYWEATHER
Jun 9, 2007 1:00 PM
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> The King of Boxing and the King of MMA gets into a
> brawl in a bar somewhere; who kicks ass?
If you notice, most of the past few big MMA fights ended by knockout. So you are contradicting your own statement.
If Wlad or Lennox or Tyson catches ANY MMA fighter, they go to sleep immediately.
If Chuck Liddell and Rampage Jackson are knocking fools out, what do you think Wlad would do? (assuming, of course, that the bartender didn't "poison" Wlad).
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Re: HBO PAY PER VIEW: OSCAR DE LA HOYA VS. FLOYD MAYWEATHER
Jun 9, 2007 11:24 AM
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> > the ufc heavyweight champ is 43. the light
> > heavyweight champ that just lost to a 26 year old
> is
> > 38. Many different ages fight eachother and all
> have
> > their bearing and wit .There are many ways to win
> a
> > fight in MMA. Other than the 100 or so fight
> > historians that can appreciate a boring 12 round
> > match, the rest of the world could care less.
> Boxing
> > is dead. I was a huge fan, but I feel that the
> golden
> > age is done for whatever the reason. zzzzzzzzzz
>
> Its sad to see a "huge fan" say that about the sweet
> science. MMA is garbage and the reason so many love
> it, is because any loser can do it. How is it
> justified that someone who is 2-1 or 5-2 in the UFC
> gets a title shot? You dont have to earn much to be a
> "champion". Its too bad that people dont see MMA for
> what it is, wanna-be fighters that took the easy road
> to professional sports. Instead of learning a craft,
> they fight just to fight. Mayweather is bad for
> Boxing, but he is a master at his craft. Boxing isnt
> dying like you think, but it is hurting because of
> greed. If you think Boxing is borring, watch the UFC
> when fights go to the ground. And if you think Don
> King is bad, keep feeding Dana White and watch what
> happens. Total control.
The King of Boxing and the King of MMA gets into a brawl in a bar somewhere; who kicks ass? That's the attraction of the MMA to the younger viewers. Boxing is totally worthless once the fight has no holds barred or it gets to the ground like mostly all street fights do.
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May 29, 2007 9:01 PM
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HBO was close to a deal with UFC for fights and programming, but it got nixed (for now) because UFC/Dana White wouldn't give over control of it (editing, content, etc) to HBO.
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May 29, 2007 11:31 AM
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Agree 100%. UFC is a bad product. Not marginal, BAD.
Pride FC is a good product however. Due to the higher caliber fighters, ring not a cage, better rules, etc, ect.
With the channels of distribution White has now, more than likely it will sustain. He should concern himself with bettering his crap product rather than seeking additional ways to make another buck.
He has made himself a lot of money in a very short amount of time, you have to give him that. IMO that was in large part due to him buying an already succesful brand.
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Re: HBO PAY PER VIEW: OSCAR DE LA HOYA VS. FLOYD MAYWEATHER
May 29, 2007 11:07 AM
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> the ufc heavyweight champ is 43. the light
> heavyweight champ that just lost to a 26 year old is
> 38. Many different ages fight eachother and all have
> their bearing and wit .There are many ways to win a
> fight in MMA. Other than the 100 or so fight
> historians that can appreciate a boring 12 round
> match, the rest of the world could care less. Boxing
> is dead. I was a huge fan, but I feel that the golden
> age is done for whatever the reason. zzzzzzzzzz
Its sad to see a "huge fan" say that about the sweet science. MMA is garbage and the reason so many love it, is because any loser can do it. How is it justified that someone who is 2-1 or 5-2 in the UFC gets a title shot? You dont have to earn much to be a "champion". Its too bad that people dont see MMA for what it is, wanna-be fighters that took the easy road to professional sports. Instead of learning a craft, they fight just to fight. Mayweather is bad for Boxing, but he is a master at his craft. Boxing isnt dying like you think, but it is hurting because of greed. If you think Boxing is borring, watch the UFC when fights go to the ground. And if you think Don King is bad, keep feeding Dana White and watch what happens. Total control.
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May 29, 2007 2:29 AM
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the ufc heavyweight champ is 43. the light heavyweight champ that just lost to a 26 year old is 38. Many different ages fight eachother and all have their bearing and wit .There are many ways to win a fight in MMA. Other than the 100 or so fight historians that can appreciate a boring 12 round match, the rest of the world could care less. Boxing is dead. I was a huge fan, but I feel that the golden age is done for whatever the reason. zzzzzzzzzz
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