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he two best welterweights in the world -- Undefeated champ Miguel Cotto clashes with Antonio Margarito July 26th at 9:00 PM ET/6:00 PM PT. It's a fight that everyone's been waiting for... And it's on HBO. Discuss this fight here.
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Re: July 26th: PPV: Cotto vs. Margarito
Jul 31, 2008 11:57 AM
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> > Peep how hypocritical ALL fighters are once they
> get
> > their big win...Margarito, who carried the
> Winky
> > Wright-like, most-avoided, will fight anyone
> mantle,
> > is seemingly no different from any modern
> fighter who
> > gets a signature win! Peep these exceprts from
> a
> > recent MaxBoxing article by Steve Kim!
> >
> >
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> > There's no doubt which fight Dan Goossen - who
> > promotes WBO welterweight champion Paul Williams
> -
> > wants to make next: a rematch for Williams with
> > Antonio Margarito, who defeated Miguel Cotto
> this
> > past weekend for his WBA crown.
> >
> > Early indications are that Arum is planning to
> match
> > his newest star against the winner of this
> weekends
> > bout between Joshua Clottey and Zab Judah (for
> the
> > vacant IBF belt) or perhaps the winner of the
> > September 27th duel between Shane Mosley and
> Ricardo
> > Mayorga.
> >
> > But where does 'the Punisher' stand in relation
> to
> > Margarito's future?
> >
> > "In left field, in the bullpen. They can kiss
> my
> > ass!!!," said Arum emphatically, definitely not
> > making any reference to Goose Goosage. "The way
> they
> > did me on the Pavlik thing with Paul Williams,
> > stringing me along, playing it out, f**king me
> > around, I almost lost the date for Pavlik with
> their
> > nonsense. They got no chance at all - ever!!!."
The Bobfather is a freakin' genius. He has flipped the Pavlik-Williams nonsense into an excuse to keep his new prized welterweight as far away from the jolly green giant as possible. Isn't it ironic how all the bravado that Margarito displays kinda just disappears when it comes to fighting a welterweight that has the same physical advantages over him that he shares over most of the guys he fights. Wow, the most feared guy in boxing now wants to become a money fighter. What a surprise.
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Re: July 26th: PPV: Cotto vs. Margarito
Jul 31, 2008 3:50 AM
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Welterweight Division(TOP)
1.Paul Williams
1.Antonio Margaritto
3.Miguel Cotto
4.Shane Mosley
5.Joshua Clottey
6.Andre Berto
7.Zab Judah
8.Kermit Cintron
9.Quintana
These are my picks. You can't put Tony over Paul because Paul beat him last year. Paul Defended his loss to Quintana in a First Round Knockout. The only one on the list that is Undefeated is Berto, and all he has to do is beat one of the Two of the top Ten to be in the race for the best in the division.
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Re: July 26th: PPV: Cotto vs. Margarito
Jul 31, 2008 12:42 AM
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> Well, I won't be renting that fight. Hopkins doesn't
> deserve to be in any PPV events. Its sad, because I'm
> excited about Pavlik. And, I would really like to
> support any of his events. Moreover, upcoming Juan
> Manuel Lopez is going to fight in the undercard.
>
> What a shame.
>
> I'm from PHilly. This dude is so overrate.. He has
> made a name out of fighting smaller, over stuff
> welterweights>>>
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> Edited by mikol at 07/30/2008 6:53 PM PDT
i think anyone would have to be crazy not to order the hopkins fight. think about the card as a whole. steven lueveno who is a very good boxer and champ is on the undercard. and so is juan manuel lopez. and after his stunning 1 round ko of ponce de leon who wouldnt wanna see that guy fight. plus the main event has tons of intrigue. you gotta wonder how the heck hopkins is gonna be able to deal with pavliks relentlesness and power and pressure. i am a hopkins fan and this is the first time i can honestly say i dont like his odds going into the fight. doesnt the intrigue of seeing hopkins possibly get knocked or forced to fight make fans want to buy this fight. not to mention the stellar undercard fighters
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Re: July 26th: PPV: Cotto vs. Margarito
Jul 31, 2008 12:32 AM
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> i know i shouldn't but i will anyway,HBO is partly
> responsible for building some of these selfish
> fighters who fight for themselves and not for the
> people anymore..i think we should all boycott
> delahoya hopkins and even mayweather.remember we are
> the ones that make them!!!! as for cotto-margarito
> they didnt have a undercard people knew so ppv
> suffered. i personally like andre berto and no 1
> mentions him in the welterweight conversation but
> watch for him.....
Nobody mentions andre berto becuz he is not in the same class as the premier welterweights in boxing. berto is a top notch prospect with alot of potential and has all the makes of a future premier champ but it is not his time. he would get hammered by all the top welterweights! berto has looked very good in his past few fights but u have to look at who he is fighting. he is fighting a bunch of bums right now. look who he fought to win the interim title. that guy has no business in that fight. plus you have to remember we are talking about a guy that got floored by cosme rivera only a year ago. berto clearly has improved since then but come on now. he isnt ready yet for the elites and that is evident as his next fight is against a blown up lightweight steve forbes. if he was ready his trainers and everybody would put him up against a better challenge. but dont worry...his time will come
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Re: July 26th: PPV: Cotto vs. Margarito
Jul 30, 2008 11:45 PM
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i know i shouldn't but i will anyway,HBO is partly responsible for building some of these selfish fighters who fight for themselves and not for the people anymore..i think we should all boycott delahoya hopkins and even mayweather.remember we are the ones that make them!!!! as for cotto-margarito they didnt have a undercard people knew so ppv suffered. i personally like andre berto and no 1 mentions him in the welterweight conversation but watch for him.....
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Re: July 26th: PPV: Cotto vs. Margarito
Jul 30, 2008 11:31 PM
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as for hopkins people give him credit for having 20 straight title defenses lol...if go look up the names you'd say who are these people none of them are hall of famers until you get to trinidad delahoya.he compared himself to roy jones but he never set any challenges for himself.he shoulda fought calzaghe years ago instead he settled for fighting the robert allen's and morrade hakkars what a joke.he wouldn't get a hall of fame vote from me but he would get an accomplishment vote .i've fell asleep during his last three fights and wish i could tell him face to face........lmao
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Re: July 26th: PPV: Cotto vs. Margarito
Jul 30, 2008 9:49 PM
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Well, I won't be renting that fight. Hopkins doesn't deserve to be in any PPV events. Its sad, because I'm excited about Pavlik. And, I would really like to support any of his events. Moreover, upcoming Juan Manuel Lopez is going to fight in the undercard.
What a shame.
I'm from PHilly. This dude is so overrate.. He has made a name out of fighting smaller, over stuff welterweights>>>
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Re: July 26th: PPV: Cotto vs. Margarito
Jul 30, 2008 8:48 PM
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I can't believe Bernard Hopkins is ranked # 4 on the P4P list. He has to be won of the uninteresting fighters I have ever seen. His fights always tend to go the distance. The most dull fight I ever saw was Hopkins vs Wright followed by Hopkins vs Calzaghe. Hopkins suck!
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Re: July 26th: PPV: Cotto vs. Margarito
Jul 30, 2008 8:31 PM
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> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5NiLy_5s3g&feature=rel
> ated
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> yah he called out cotto oh and listen to the
> song......heres your so called best..kind of like his
> fans....just makes escuse after excuse...
The only good thing that i got from that was when Merchant said all true champions take on all comers it reminded me of Cotto...he fought whoever they put infront of him!
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Re: July 26th: PPV: Cotto vs. Margarito
Jul 30, 2008 7:40 PM
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I am still mad that bhop is #4 on the pound for pound list, he need to go lay down somewhere, he was great, but it time to let go.
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Re: July 26th: PPV: Cotto vs. Margarito
Jul 30, 2008 7:04 PM
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> to cap that off!
>
> its the same ppl who think Bhop was actually close to
> beating Calzaghe he wasnt.
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> true calzaghe hits like a bitch, but hopkins landed
> two shots a round and clinched later. Btw points are
> supposed to be deducted for clinching thats a
> negative in the ring generalship category.
i am a hopkins fan and i gave his fight to calzaghe 114 to 113. 7 rounds for calzaghe and 5 for hopkins plus an extra point for the knockdown. it was a relatively close fight. calzaghe landed more punches but hopkins clearly landed the cleaner and harder punches. calzaghe couldnt hurt hopkins. but calzaghe clearly won because the 7 rounds i gave him were clearly his rounds and i dont see anyway they could have been scored for hopkins
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Re: July 26th: PPV: Cotto vs. Margarito
Jul 30, 2008 5:15 PM
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> Peep how hypocritical ALL fighters are once they get
> their big win...Margarito, who carried the Winky
> Wright-like, most-avoided, will fight anyone mantle,
> is seemingly no different from any modern fighter who
> gets a signature win! Peep these exceprts from a
> recent MaxBoxing article by Steve Kim!
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> ---------------
> There's no doubt which fight Dan Goossen - who
> promotes WBO welterweight champion Paul Williams -
> wants to make next: a rematch for Williams with
> Antonio Margarito, who defeated Miguel Cotto this
> past weekend for his WBA crown.
>
> Early indications are that Arum is planning to match
> his newest star against the winner of this weekends
> bout between Joshua Clottey and Zab Judah (for the
> vacant IBF belt) or perhaps the winner of the
> September 27th duel between Shane Mosley and Ricardo
> Mayorga.
>
> But where does 'the Punisher' stand in relation to
> Margarito's future?
>
> "In left field, in the bullpen. They can kiss my
> ass!!!," said Arum emphatically, definitely not
> making any reference to Goose Goosage. "The way they
> did me on the Pavlik thing with Paul Williams,
> stringing me along, playing it out, f**king me
> around, I almost lost the date for Pavlik with their
> nonsense. They got no chance at all - ever!!!."
>
> Diaz realizes Oscar De La Hoya is not a realistic
> option.
>
> I really don't think so, in fact, I know so. He
> doesn't want to fight Antonio. He's not looking at
> being beaten or hurt. You can hear all the excuses,
> he doesn't want to fight another Mexican because all
> the Mexican fans are not going to like him. Who's to
> say they even like him now?"
>
> Ouch.
>
> As for the issue of a Williams rematch, the manager
> is leaving those decisions up to Arum.
>
> We do a have a promoter, Top Rank, and they're the
> ones that guide Antonio's career," he says. "They
> tell us where we're going to fight, when we're going
> to fight, who we're going to fight. I think Paul just
> needs to stop begging; he is a world champion and his
> promoter needs to keep him busy and fighting. For him
> to be begging for a fight and calling us out on the
> websites, I mean, he's a champion, he doesn't have to
> be doing that."
>
> But wait one cotton picking second, weren't they in
> that same position not-too-long ago?
>
> "Yes we were," said Diaz, laughing at the thought,
> "but that's why I'm not even going to get into it.
> I'm not going to have any verbal exchanges and get
> upset about anything. If they're looking for us, they
> gotta call Top Rank."
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> http://www.fightinsight.com/2008/07/26/cotto-wilts-und
> er-relentless-margarito-pressure/
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> Edited by jarule2007 at 07/29/2008 8:16 PM PDT
I frankly won't get excited about any of the fights mentioned, even if my boy the animal Mayorga is fighting marg.
shane sounds interesting, because I think he can handle a body attack better than cotto, but his new found 2 punch combos leave me skeptical. I liked it when he could count above 2.
zab,  god, help zab, please. the greatest underachiever besides tyson.
marg would be a big disappointment if he doesn't fight wiliams.
lets hope this is a promotional ploy to get the bigger share of the purse, rather than real heartfelt statements.
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Re: July 26th: PPV: Cotto vs. Margarito
Jul 30, 2008 4:56 PM
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> I just had to come and say this: This was the
> worst commentation I have ever heard.
> In the first round Cotto kept from being tagged at
> all, and he did slip in and land a few of his own,
> but after that Margarito pounded him every single
> time they got close to each other, and occasionally
> Cotto snapped Margarito's head back right before
> scurrying away from an otherwise never-ending
> pummeling.
> That's how I saw it, but maybe I'm slighted because I
> wholeheartedly believed Margarito would win. Still, I
> thought I was watching Margarito fight his fight, and
> everything was going as well as possible for him,
> from the 2nd round on. He was continuously working
> the body and landing WAY more blows, setting Cotto up
> for a knockout in the late rounds.
> Margarito was NEVER hurt, but Cotto was in serious
> trouble as early as the 4th round.
> Still, it wasn't until the 7th round when Max
> Kellerman said, "This is the first round when it
> looks to me like Margarito is fighting up to Cotto's
> level." It was right then, like that very second,
> that Emanuel said, "Uh-oh, Cotto's hurt."
> And he was...Cotto was damned near unconscious on his
> feet while Kellerman was once again telling us how
> much of a blow out the fight was...in Cotto's favor!
> Lampley called the fight for Cotto all the way until
> Cotto sat down, never once admitting that Margarito
> might have a chance, but I've come to believe he's
> actually blind, so I can't hold that against him,
> since he has no alternative but to keep listening to
> the other guys and faking it.
> Even after Cotto took a knee but before his corner
> threw in the towel, Kellerman was yelling, "Look at
> Cotto's face. It looks like HE'S the guy who got beat
> up here." Right, max, because he did get beat up, and
> his cut eye, broken nose and bloody mouth were there
> from round 4 on.
> He was getting beat in almost every exchange
> throughout the fight, by the simple mathematics of
> ?more punches?. In case you haven?t noticed, and you
> definitely haven?t, Margarito punches hard, and his
> style of throwing more and landing more dictates less
> accuracy/punch. Still, if the fight had gone on, the
> punch counts would have been in Margarito?s favor,
> which all three blind mice mentioned at some time or
> another, but they still made the case for Cotto right
> up to the end.
> The end, I might add, that Kellerman tried to
> punctuate by calling the fight a classic, but they
> way he called it up to then it was no more than a
> boxing lesson interrupted by a knockout.
> It could have been a classic, but it turned out to be
> the dumbest thing I?ve heard since Larry said, ?He
> took a long hard road to get here, but it was that
> long hard road that got him here? and HBO actually
> used it in a promo.
> Put Lennox Lewis and George Foreman back in there,
> and send Max back to selling used cars and Emanuel
> back to managing bums.
>
> So true! I felt the same exact way the entire fight!
> They always go against the Mexicans, do you recall
> the Pacman-JMM rematch too, Pacman was favored just
> like Cotto was favored against Margarito! BTW, GREAT
> POST!
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> Edited by thespliffed1 at 07/30/2008 1:05 AM PDT
BLAH BLAH BLAH
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Re: July 26th: PPV: Cotto vs. Margarito
Jul 30, 2008 3:45 PM
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Margarito out-toughed Cotto..as simple as that.
I'd rather see Margarito vs Mayweather or a rematch with Paul Williams than a match with DLH.
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