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he two best welterweights in the world -- Undefeated champ Miguel Cotto clashes with Antonio Margarito July 26th at 9:00 PM ET/6:00 PM PT. It's a fight that everyone's been waiting for... And it's on HBO. Discuss this fight here.
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Re: July 26th: PPV: Cotto vs. Margarito
Jul 30, 2008 3:10 PM
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its a tough call
its tough cause at any stage in oscars career that would be af ight from hell
I like oscar slightly by pts, slightly
but after that fight he will truly be done 401k time.
Its just that margarito is good at bullying smaller oponnets and incidentally oscar is good against opponenets his size.
oscar has an iron chin, margarito has an iron chin
the power, and age go to margarito but the boxing skills obviously to oscar.
it would be a truly great fight. unfortunately oscar wants to cash out in style and slickness, not pride, which is fine but i dont have to like it
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Re: July 26th: PPV: Cotto vs. Margarito
Jul 30, 2008 2:39 PM
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Yeah that will be a fight Oscar vs Margarito, who do u think will win????
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Re: July 26th: PPV: Cotto vs. Margarito
Jul 30, 2008 12:49 PM
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> of course they are iv been saying this all along
> its jsut a magazine people just opinions valid yes
> but not objective
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> what is objective is who you beat for a title and
> contendership (even that is shady lol)
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> Margarito beat cintron for a title
> Williams beat margarito but lost to quintana who lost
> to
> Cotto.
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> the way i see it because williams beat quintana and
> margarito
> he should be #1
> margarito #2
> cotto #3
> and then thats that
> Berto#6
> clottley/judah- for #4
> mosley/cintron- for #5
> and then Berto
That's the exact way I feel. I had Cotto #1, Williams #2, Mosley #3, and Margarito #4 before the fight. I feel like Williams should always be rated ahead of Margarito based on the head-to-head win. But, at the end of the day it doesn't matter since their rematch will still be for the vacant title. I guess what they come in rated doesn't mean a whole lot, even though I personally consider Williams the top welterweight out there right now.
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Re: July 26th: PPV: Cotto vs. Margarito
Jul 30, 2008 12:44 PM
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to cap that off!
its the same ppl who think Bhop was actually close to beating Calzaghe he wasnt.
true calzaghe hits like a bitch, but hopkins landed two shots a round and clinched later. Btw points are supposed to be deducted for clinching thats a negative in the ring generalship category.
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Re: July 26th: PPV: Cotto vs. Margarito
Jul 30, 2008 12:42 PM
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what are you talking go against the mexicans
HBO loves mexicans!
cotto boxed the shit out of Margarito just face it and watch the fight again. you dont get points for landing one out of eight shots man. it doesnt work like that
Ring Generlshi- Cotto boxed while margarito just came forward
Defense- Margarito non existant, Cotto bobbed and weaved slipped and slided beautifully.
Offense- Margarito landed about 12 shots every round which were effective, as opposed to Cotto landing about 17-18 at a much higher percentange, it aint cottos fault that margarito ahs the chin of a boulder.
in all three areas margarito lossess. ALL THREE
you cant and should not look at the other guys face and say well he looks worse so he is losing, thats not boxing people. thats not a sport, thats something totaly different its an excuse you give your mom after you get Messed up in school.
these judges are idiots, who gave taylor a win against spinks even though Taylor did nothing through out the fight, the same people who admire floyds defense and not De la hoyas against Trinidad.
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Re: July 26th: PPV: Cotto vs. Margarito
Jul 30, 2008 12:37 PM
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of course they are iv been saying this all along
its jsut a magazine people just opinions valid yes but not objective
what is objective is who you beat for a title and contendership (even that is shady lol)
Margarito beat cintron for a title
Williams beat margarito but lost to quintana who lost to
Cotto.
the way i see it because williams beat quintana and margarito
he should be #1
margarito #2
cotto #3
and then thats that
Berto#6
clottley/judah- for #4
mosley/cintron- for #5
and then Berto
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Re: July 26th: PPV: Cotto vs. Margarito
Jul 30, 2008 11:08 AM
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I just looked at the updated The Ring ratings and Margarito replaced Cotto at #6 P4P, with Cotto slipping down to #10 and Ivan Caldvon being removed. The welterweight shake up is interesting. Before the fight over the past weekend they had Cotto #1, Mosley #2, Williams #3, and Margarito #4. The updated ratings have Margarito #1, Williams #2, Cotto #3, and Mosley #4. First, how do they justify Margarito being ahead of Williams, doesn't head-to-head results mean anything? And how did Williams suddenly jump Mosley without either of them fighting? I respect The Ring, and think they have the best championship policy and rating system, but this looks like they are manipulating their ratings to insure that a Margarito-Williams rematch fills their title vacancy.
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Re: July 26th: PPV: Cotto vs. Margarito
Jul 30, 2008 11:02 AM
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> So Miguel gets beat up by Antonio the bum Margaritto.
> How did this happen. Cotto ran the whole night and
> d still gets knocked out, but somehow Mayweather runs
> away and still knocks the other guy out. Its called
> skill, craft, and smarts, which all Cotto has not
> mastered. He only proved one thing to me, that he
> can take a good beating. All props to Margaritto.
> Forget about a rematch with Cotto, you have only
> y Paul Williams to worry about. Let the best man win.
> Cotto you should give Gomez a rematch.lol
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The problem with this post is that you're alone. I'm sure that there are other Mayweather huggers, who feel the same like you.
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Re: July 26th: PPV: Cotto vs. Margarito
Jul 30, 2008 9:18 AM
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> That ain't right man! Why the Cotto hate crime?
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> http://www.fightinsight.com/2008/07/26/cotto-wilts-und
> er-relentless-margarito-pressure/
Yeah you're right. Once Mayweather retired, I started pulling for Margaritto. Not a fan of either though, but looking at Cotto's face I began toi feel sorry for him.
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Re: July 26th: PPV: Cotto vs. Margarito
Jul 30, 2008 4:05 AM
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I just had to come and say this: This was the worst commentation I have ever heard.
In the first round Cotto kept from being tagged at all, and he did slip in and land a few of his own, but after that Margarito pounded him every single time they got close to each other, and occasionally Cotto snapped Margarito's head back right before scurrying away from an otherwise never-ending pummeling.
That's how I saw it, but maybe I'm slighted because I wholeheartedly believed Margarito would win. Still, I thought I was watching Margarito fight his fight, and everything was going as well as possible for him, from the 2nd round on. He was continuously working the body and landing WAY more blows, setting Cotto up for a knockout in the late rounds.
Margarito was NEVER hurt, but Cotto was in serious trouble as early as the 4th round.
Still, it wasn't until the 7th round when Max Kellerman said, "This is the first round when it looks to me like Margarito is fighting up to Cotto's level." It was right then, like that very second, that Emanuel said, "Uh-oh, Cotto's hurt."
And he was...Cotto was damned near unconscious on his feet while Kellerman was once again telling us how much of a blow out the fight was...in Cotto's favor!
Lampley called the fight for Cotto all the way until Cotto sat down, never once admitting that Margarito might have a chance, but I've come to believe he's actually blind, so I can't hold that against him, since he has no alternative but to keep listening to the other guys and faking it.
Even after Cotto took a knee but before his corner threw in the towel, Kellerman was yelling, "Look at Cotto's face. It looks like HE'S the guy who got beat up here." Right, max, because he did get beat up, and his cut eye, broken nose and bloody mouth were there from round 4 on.
He was getting beat in almost every exchange throughout the fight, by the simple mathematics of ?more punches?. In case you haven?t noticed, and you definitely haven?t, Margarito punches hard, and his style of throwing more and landing more dictates less accuracy/punch. Still, if the fight had gone on, the punch counts would have been in Margarito?s favor, which all three blind mice mentioned at some time or another, but they still made the case for Cotto right up to the end.
The end, I might add, that Kellerman tried to punctuate by calling the fight a classic, but they way he called it up to then it was no more than a boxing lesson interrupted by a knockout.
It could have been a classic, but it turned out to be the dumbest thing I?ve heard since Larry said, ?He took a long hard road to get here, but it was that long hard road that got him here? and HBO actually used it in a promo.
Put Lennox Lewis and George Foreman back in there, and send Max back to selling used cars and Emanuel back to managing bums.
So true! I felt the same exact way the entire fight! They always go against the Mexicans, do you recall the Pacman-JMM rematch too, Pacman was favored just like Cotto was favored against Margarito! BTW, GREAT POST!
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Re: July 26th: PPV: Cotto vs. Margarito
Jul 30, 2008 12:41 AM
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> So Miguel gets beat up by Antonio the bum Margaritto.
> How did this happen. Cotto ran the whole night and
> d still gets knocked out, but somehow Mayweather runs
> away and still knocks the other guy out. Its called
> skill, craft, and smarts, which all Cotto has not
> mastered. He only proved one thing to me, that he
> can take a good beating. All props to Margaritto.
> Forget about a rematch with Cotto, you have only
> y Paul Williams to worry about. Let the best man win.
> Cotto you should give Gomez a rematch.lol
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> Extreme HATING may cause constipation.
That ain't right man! Why the Cotto hate crime?
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Re: July 26th: PPV: Cotto vs. Margarito
Jul 30, 2008 12:22 AM
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So Miguel gets beat up by Antonio the bum Margaritto. How did this happen. Cotto ran the whole night and still gets knocked out, but somehow Mayweather runs away and still knocks the other guy out. Its called skill, craft, and smarts, which all Cotto has not mastered. He only proved one thing to me, that he can take a good beating. All props to Margaritto. Forget about a rematch with Cotto, you have only Paul Williams to worry about. Let the best man win. Cotto you should give Gomez a rematch.lol
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Re: July 26th: PPV: Cotto vs. Margarito
Jul 30, 2008 12:09 AM
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> I just had to come and say this: This was the worst
> commentation I have ever heard.
> In the first round Cotto kept from being tagged
> agged at all, and he did slip in and land a few of
> his own, but after that Margarito pounded him every
> single time they got close to each other, and
> occasionally Cotto snapped Margarito's head back
> right before scurrying away from an otherwise
> never-ending pummeling.
> That's how I saw it, but maybe I'm slighted
> ghted because I wholeheartedly believed Margarito
> would win. Still, I thought I was watching Margarito
> fight his fight, and everything was going as well as
> possible for him, from the 2nd round on. He was
> continuously working the body and landing WAY more
> blows, setting Cotto up for a knockout in the late
> rounds.
> Margarito was NEVER hurt, but Cotto was in
> as in serious trouble as early as the 4th round.
> Still, it wasn't until the 7th round when Max
> n Max Kellerman said, "This is the first round when
> it looks to me like Margarito is fighting up to
> Cotto's level." It was right then, like that very
> second, that Emanuel said, "Uh-oh, Cotto's hurt."
> And he was...Cotto was damned near unconscious
> cious on his feet while Kellerman was once again
> telling us how much of a blow out the fight was...in
> Cotto's favor!
> Lampley called the fight for Cotto all the way
> e way until Cotto sat down, never once admitting that
> Margarito might have a chance, but I've come to
> believe he's actually blind, so I can't hold that
> against him, since he has no alternative but to keep
> listening to the other guys and faking it.
> Even after Cotto took a knee but before his
> e his corner threw in the towel, Kellerman was
> yelling, "Look at Cotto's face. It looks like HE'S
> the guy who got beat up here." Right, max, because
> he did get beat up, and his cut eye, broken nose and
> bloody mouth were there from round 4 on.
> He was getting beat in almost every exchange
> hange throughout the fight, by the simple mathematics
> of ?more punches?. In case you haven?t noticed, and
> you definitely haven?t, Margarito punches hard, and
> his style of throwing more and landing more dictates
> less accuracy/punch. Still, if the fight had gone
> on, the punch counts would have been in Margarito?s
> favor, which all three blind mice mentioned at some
> time or another, but they still made the case for
> Cotto right up to the end.
> The end, I might add, that Kellerman tried to
> ed to punctuate by calling the fight a classic, but
> they way he called it up to then it was no more than
> a boxing lesson interrupted by a knockout.
> It could have been a classic, but it turned out
> d out to be the dumbest thing I?ve heard since Larry
> said, ?He took a long hard road to get here, but it
> was that long hard road that got him here? and HBO
> actually used it in a promo.
> Put Lennox Lewis and George Foreman back in
> ck in there, and send Max back to selling used cars
> and Emanuel back to managing bums.
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Re: July 26th: PPV: Cotto vs. Margarito
Jul 30, 2008 12:05 AM
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I just had to come and say this: This was the worst commentation I have ever heard.
In the first round Cotto kept from being tagged at all, and he did slip in and land a few of his own, but after that Margarito pounded him every single time they got close to each other, and occasionally Cotto snapped Margarito's head back right before scurrying away from an otherwise never-ending pummeling.
That's how I saw it, but maybe I'm slighted because I wholeheartedly believed Margarito would win. Still, I thought I was watching Margarito fight his fight, and everything was going as well as possible for him, from the 2nd round on. He was continuously working the body and landing WAY more blows, setting Cotto up for a knockout in the late rounds.
Margarito was NEVER hurt, but Cotto was in serious trouble as early as the 4th round.
Still, it wasn't until the 7th round when Max Kellerman said, "This is the first round when it looks to me like Margarito is fighting up to Cotto's level." It was right then, like that very second, that Emanuel said, "Uh-oh, Cotto's hurt."
And he was...Cotto was damned near unconscious on his feet while Kellerman was once again telling us how much of a blow out the fight was...in Cotto's favor!
Lampley called the fight for Cotto all the way until Cotto sat down, never once admitting that Margarito might have a chance, but I've come to believe he's actually blind, so I can't hold that against him, since he has no alternative but to keep listening to the other guys and faking it.
Even after Cotto took a knee but before his corner threw in the towel, Kellerman was yelling, "Look at Cotto's face. It looks like HE'S the guy who got beat up here." Right, max, because he did get beat up, and his cut eye, broken nose and bloody mouth were there from round 4 on.
He was getting beat in almost every exchange throughout the fight, by the simple mathematics of ?more punches?. In case you haven?t noticed, and you definitely haven?t, Margarito punches hard, and his style of throwing more and landing more dictates less accuracy/punch. Still, if the fight had gone on, the punch counts would have been in Margarito?s favor, which all three blind mice mentioned at some time or another, but they still made the case for Cotto right up to the end.
The end, I might add, that Kellerman tried to punctuate by calling the fight a classic, but they way he called it up to then it was no more than a boxing lesson interrupted by a knockout.
It could have been a classic, but it turned out to be the dumbest thing I?ve heard since Larry said, ?He took a long hard road to get here, but it was that long hard road that got him here? and HBO actually used it in a promo.
Put Lennox Lewis and George Foreman back in there, and send Max back to selling used cars and Emanuel back to managing bums.
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Re: July 26th: PPV: Cotto vs. Margarito
Jul 29, 2008 11:45 PM
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> i just wanted to throw this in there. mayweather did
> call out cotto. he wanted to make this fight happen
> if cotto left arum. mayweather and odlh both realized
> how much of a crook arum is and left. and when AM
> said he wanted to fight mayweather he was not a
> proven boxer. he should of fought baldomir, take his
> title, then call out mayweather. its put up or shut
> up and AM had nothing to put up. guess what im
> mexican and i like AM. but im just a realist
Not debating Arum's foibles, but I don't think Margarito was Baldomir's mandatory and he was definitely not someone that Baldomir would have elected to fight. Baldomir was looking for the biggest "money" defense.
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