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Hey Boxing Fans-
So the biggest fight of the year is over and gone, but one thing remains: endless debate over who won the match. As the biggest fans in boxing, we're asking how you scored the match, round-by-round.
Post your round-by-round analysis and scores here and we'll take a look at your scores and post the best ones, along with our own analysis just before the replay this Saturday night on HBO.
Also, please keep responses to this thread on topic. Off topic replies or responses to other users analysis without one of your own will be deleted.
Let's get busy!
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Re: De La Hoya vs. Mayweather: How Did YOU Score The Fight?
May 12, 2007 11:48 PM
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International media and judges reject MAYWEATHER VS DE LA HOYA decision.They world's judges and media says OSCAR DE LA HOYA won.This is to suggest that the current scoring standard be reformed for the sake of better decisions to be accepted by the general public, not only by the ringsiders. I was a TV commentator for the Oscar De La Hoya versus Floyd Mayweather Jr. fight on a live telecast in Japan. I, along with great majority of TV watchers, thought De La Hoya the winner because of his continual aggressiveness. During the broadcast in Japan, after the eighth round we were shocked to hear an HBO commentator's intermediate score of 77-75 in favor of Mayweather, as we saw De La Hoya winning by 78-74 by watching the screen signaled from Las Vegas. We admit it was a close affair in the end due to Mayweather's surge in the last four rounds. It was also surprising that many ringsiders favored Mayweather as the winner even if it was close. Usually boxing bouts are broadcast by TV people and reported by press people. Where do they watch the fights? At ringside, of course. They are limited "RINGSIDERS." Assume a situation that some 1,000 ringsiders around the ring see Boxer A as the winner, while people in the balcony and TV watchers around the world, on the contrary, see Boxer B as the winner. It actually happened in the case of "The World Awaits" in Las Vegas. Boxing is a sport to be watched not only by limited ringsiders but by the general public in the world. People cannot afford to pay $2,000 to buy a ringside ticket, so they watch the fight on TV. Ideally, the views of the ringsiders and the general public should be identical. Ironically, however, the current scoring standard sometimes makes the respective views different. The scoring standard consists of: (1) clean effective hits, (2) aggressiveness, (3) defense, and (4) ring generalship. Furthermore, there is a tendency that even a very close round is given to either of the two boxers. It may be sometimes difficult to judge whether a certain punch (or combination) was effective or not, and which of the boxers was superior in terms of ring generalship. People watching from the second floor or on TV feel that the aggressor should be the winner. But the ringsiders, including the judges, see it differently in favor of the other boxer. It means that the rich and the poor see a different thing in the same fight. Yours truly wonders if the current declining popularity of boxing may be caused partly by the complex scoring standard or its understanding. The judges occasionally pick a winner that people don't agree with. Then TV watchers and/or majority of spectators (except ringsiders) get disgusted and frustrated by the decision. Boxing should be simpler to the eyes of all the general public in order to regain its popularity. Boxing used to be a manly sport to compare strength, speed, fighting spirit, durability and skills. But it is turning into a different sport since the current scoring standard evaluates slick-punching and sly boxers more favorably than game and aggressive punchers. In the near future all world champs may become Floyd Mayweather stylists. We may have to reconsider the current scoring standard, its application, or the validity of forcibly scoring an even definitely close round for one of the contestants, etc. in order to revive the popularity of boxing among the general public.
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Re: De La Hoya vs. Mayweather: How Did YOU Score The Fight?
May 12, 2007 11:46 PM
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Oscar De La Hoya won that fight last night.The fans booed the decision.The fans thought De La Hoya won.Floyd Mayweather's dad said Oscar De La Hoya beat Mayweather Jr.If you were sentenced for a crime and your punishment was to get hit by the punches De La Hoya threw or to get hit with the punches Mayweather threw,which one would you chose?Would you chose to get hit with the hard punches De La Hoya hit Mayweather or would you chose the soft slaps Mayweather hit De La Hoya with?I guarantee if you were tied up and about to get in the face a bunch of times you would chose to get hit with Mayweather's punches.That proves De La Hoya won.He beat up Mayweather and had the 12th round been scored correctly he would have atleast got a draw.De La Hoya won.
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Re: De La Hoya vs. Mayweather: How Did YOU Score The Fight?
May 12, 2007 11:42 PM
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Floyd clearly won rounds 9 through 12. So you think Oscar won 7 out of the first 8 rounds. Come on now. Floyd 116-112.
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Re: De La Hoya vs. Mayweather: How Did YOU Score The Fight?
May 12, 2007 11:35 PM
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Well, after watching the fight for a second time and more sober, I still came up with the 115-113 score for de la hoya. Guess it just comes down to what style you prefer. I still say compu box is a messed up system and nothing more than a media tool to sway people into buying the bs of who wins and loses. Im not a de la hoya fan or a pbf fan. Its just the messed up judging of fights is the downside of boxing. When you have 3 morons score a fight a certain way and you look at every other opinion of the general public and it differs, its pretty obvious there are flaws. I wish there was a legit way for boxing to fix the problem. I also stick to my theory that with boxing being a business, they are looking to sell future fights so of course they are looking for that undefeated guy thats going to bring glory back to boxing and in reality they make the situation worse. Unfortunately for them 2 of the biggest ones they are pushing right now (pbf and taylor), there are enough people not buying into it.
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Re: De La Hoya vs. Mayweather: How Did YOU Score The Fight?
May 12, 2007 11:06 PM
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Punchstats were way off. I was intoxicated last week and didn't see how close it actually was. Jerry Roth gave two rounds to Floyd and one round to Oscar I don't agree with. It was boring last week and it's that much more boring watching it sober and alone.
I think if Oscar fights again at a lower weight (154 again but don't weigh in as a manatee hoping to get the KO) then you will see him landing more punches, effective or not, scoring points, and winning rounds.
Oscar needs to take it immediately because he isn't getting any younger.
Floyd wins the fight, yet he calls for a rematch. Ironic.
It really wasn't a victory that Floyd fans can boast about. (Oscar fans have nothing to boast about either). Winning by a hair doesn't constitute bragging rights in my opinion. Lace them up again and lets see what happens. Part of boxing is learning from your opponent. Lets see what changes each fighter makes. Shoot for Fall '07 or don't bother.
Is the Williams/Margarito fight on HBO? The website doesn't list it and I think it's the next important fight.
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Re: De La Hoya vs. Mayweather: How Did YOU Score The Fight?
May 12, 2007 10:22 PM
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bgarza20, I have to say I like your scorecard. I scored the fight exactly the same. It could've been a draw also, round 11 could've been even also, but due to more activity, I gave it to Oscar.
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Re: De La Hoya vs. Mayweather: How Did YOU Score The Fight?
May 12, 2007 10:16 PM
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de la hoya won.. i think this fight was fixed. de la hoya knew he could win with the jab but quit using it because he didnt want to win.this way he knows there is going to be a rematch and that means more money$$
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Re: De La Hoya vs. Mayweather: How Did YOU Score The Fight?
May 12, 2007 9:05 PM
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> lets not talk about the quicker guy that couldnt
> catch oscar.
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I thought you said he was running away?
Dude. You are a total waste. You just say whatever random shit just to be critical. You gotta go on ignore. Don't humiliate youself by responding to my posts.
Buh-bye.
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Re: De La Hoya vs. Mayweather: How Did YOU Score The Fight?
May 12, 2007 9:03 PM
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Here's how I scored the fight:
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12
Oscar 09 10 10 10 09 10 10 10 09 09 09 10 = 115
Mayweather 10 09 10 09 10 09 09 09 10 10 10 09 = 114
This fight was very close. Any fighter could have gotten the decision. I just can not see how a challenger can take a champion's title by being too defensive and throwing one punch at a time. Before the fight, I must admit I thought that Mayweather speed was going to blow Oscar away, but that did not happened. The only thing Mayweather did effective was throwing his jab from time to time which meant nothing because it did not stopped Oscar from pressing which meant that Mayweather's jabs were weak, and ounce in a while Mayweather would land his right hand, but for the most part he was too busy hiding his chin behind his left shoulder. On the other hand, Oscar did a good job cutting off the ring at times. He pinned Mayweather to the ropes from time to time and flurried away with combos. Oscar also displayed good body shots. Mayweather had no answer when Oscar threw his jab. It was very effective having Mayweather's head to pop back everytime Oscar threw it. Oscar was clearly the aggressor, the one making the fight and threw the harder shots. Mayweather's right eye was puffed up and his nose bleed. Mosley did not convinced the world that he should take Oscar's title. I mean, Shane Mosley beat Oscar convincingly on their first fight. Mayweather did not come close to Shane's performance against Oscar. Lastly, if you notice on my score card above I scored round 3 even. Oscar won the first half of the round and Mayweather won the second half. Judges' forget that it is okay to score a round evenly. Round three was too close to call so who do you give the round to? You give it to both of them.
I am sure there will be a rematch and fans would want to see it because it was close. It probably won't generate the same amount of money as their first fight, but each fighter should do better the second time around since they already had a feel for each other. For the second fight Mayweather needs to fight and take more risks. Oscar needs to start everything after his jab.
Well, I said why my cents later's.....
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Re: De La Hoya vs. Mayweather: How Did YOU Score The Fight?
May 12, 2007 9:02 PM
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Here's how I scored the fight:
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12
Oscar 09 10 10 10 09 10 10 10 09 09 09 10 = 115
Mayweather 10 09 10 09 10 09 09 09 10 10 10 09 = 114
This fight was very close. Any fighter could have gotten the decision. I just can not see how a challenger can take a champion's title by being too defensive and throwing one punch at a time. Before the fight, I must admit I thought that Mayweather speed was going to blow Oscar away, but that did not happened. The only thing Mayweather did effective was throwing his jab from time to time which meant nothing because it did not stopped Oscar from pressing which meant that Mayweather's jabs were weak, and ounce in a while Mayweather would land his right hand, but for the most part he was too busy hiding his chin behind his left shoulder. On the other hand, Oscar did a good job cutting off the ring at times. He pinned Mayweather to the ropes from time to time and flurried away with combos. Oscar also displayed good body shots. Mayweather had no answer when Oscar threw his jab. It was very effective having Mayweather's head to pop back everytime Oscar threw it. Oscar was clearly the aggressor, the one making the fight and threw the harder shots. Mayweather's right eye was puffed up and his nose bleed. Mosley did not convinced the world that he should take Oscar's title. I mean, Shane Mosley beat Oscar convincingly on their first fight. Mayweather did not come close to Shane's performance against Oscar. Lastly, if you notice on my score card above I scored round 3 even. Oscar won the first half of the round and Mayweather won the second half. Judges' forget that it is okay to score a round evenly. Round three was too close to call so who do you give the round to? You give it to both of them.
I am sure there will be a rematch and fans would want to see it because it was close. It probably won't generate the same amount of money as their first fight, but each fighter should do better the second time around since they already had a feel for each other. For the second fight Mayweather needs to fight and take more risks. Oscar needs to start everything after his jab.
Well, I said why my cents later's.....
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Re: De La Hoya vs. Mayweather: How Did YOU Score The Fight?
May 12, 2007 8:56 PM
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Here's how I scored the fight:
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12
Oscar 09 10 10 10 09 10 10 10 09 09 09 10 = 115
Mayweather 10 09 10 09 10 09 09 09 10 10 10 09 = 114
This fight was very close. Any fighter could have gotten the decision. I just can not see how a challenger can take a champion's title by being too defensive and throwing one punch at a time. Before the fight, I must admit I thought that Mayweather speed was going to blow Oscar away, but that did not happened. The only thing Mayweather did effective was throwing his jab from time to time which meant nothing because it did not stopped Oscar from pressing which meant that Mayweather's jabs were weak, and ounce in a while Mayweather would land his right hand, but for the most part he was too busy hiding his chin behind his left shoulder. On the other hand, Oscar did a good job cutting off the ring at times. He pinned Mayweather to the ropes from time to time and flurried away with combos. Oscar also displayed good body shots. Mayweather had no answer when Oscar threw his jab. It was very effective having Mayweather's head to pop back everytime Oscar threw it. Oscar was clearly the aggressor, the one making the fight and threw the harder shots. Mayweather's right eye was puffed up and his nose bleed. Mosley did not convinced the world that he should take Oscar's title. I mean, Shane Mosley beat Oscar convincingly on their first fight. Mayweather did not come close to Shane's performance against Oscar. Lastly, if you notice on my score card above I scored round 3 even. Oscar won the first half of the round and Mayweather won the second half. Judges' forget that it is okay to score a round evenly. Round three was too close to call so who do you give the round to? You give it to both of them.
I am sure there will be a rematch and fans would want to see it because it was close. It probably won't generate the same amount of money as their first fight, but each fighter should do better the second time around since they already had a feel for each other. For the second fight Mayweather needs to fight and take more risks. Oscar needs to start everything after his jab.
Well, I said why my cents later's.....
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Re: De La Hoya vs. Mayweather: How Did YOU Score The Fight?
May 12, 2007 8:16 PM
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Mayweather 8 rounds to Oscar's 4... the compubox numbers don't lie.
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Re: De La Hoya vs. Mayweather: How Did YOU Score The Fight?
May 12, 2007 6:51 PM
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> > you can argue the score all you want. the only
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> > you cant argue is mayweathers face beat up after
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> > fight. its like saying meldric taylor was robbed
> > against chavez when chavez left cool and taylor
> > alomost died.
> > you cant argue who won a fight when one guy has
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> Lol.. one guy had a small mark on his face.. wow.
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> Let's talk about the number 80.
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> Floyd landed 80 more punches than Oscar.
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> Oscar missed 80% of his punches.
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lets not talk about the quicker guy that couldnt catch oscar.
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Re: De La Hoya vs. Mayweather: How Did YOU Score The Fight?
May 12, 2007 6:15 PM
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> you can argue the score all you want. the only thing
> you cant argue is mayweathers face beat up after the
> fight. its like saying meldric taylor was robbed
> against chavez when chavez left cool and taylor
> alomost died.
> you cant argue who won a fight when one guy has bumps
> and bruised and the other guy is damage free.
Lol.. one guy had a small mark on his face.. wow.
Let's talk about the number 80.
Floyd landed 80 more punches than Oscar.
Oscar missed 80% of his punches.
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Re: THE KNOWLEDGEABLE BOXING COMMUNITY KNOWS THAT MAYWEATHER WON.
May 12, 2007 5:00 PM
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>Anyway, you have your
> opinions and so does everyone else. Let's move on.
Duplicity: Focus on the facts.
Wardance: let's move on.
Gee, I wonder why that would be...
> Who do you(guys) like tonight? Taylor or Spinks.
> Cotto v. judah
> N'Dou vs. Malignaggi
> Hatton v. Castillo
> Hopkins v. Wright
TONIGHT?
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