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Many questioned if Pacquiao would be able to have the same success at a higher weight, I think that question has been answered. The questions that remain are have we seen the best of Pacquiao yet? Will we see him face Hatton eventually at a higher weight and is he possibly the best P4P boxer in the sport?
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Pacman wants De la Hoya
By Ronnie Nathanielsz
CELEBRATED trainer Freddie Roach wants ring idol Manny Pacquiao to fight Oscar ?Golden Boy? de la Hoya, instead of either Humberto Soto or World Boxing Association super featherweight champion Edwin Valero.
In a thee-way telephone conversation with Dennis Principe and this writer on the dzSR sports radio show ?Sports Chat,? Roach said he didn?t? think either the Soto or the Valero fights are big enough.
Roach noted that De la Hoya is looking for a fight and he would love to fight Pacquiao at 147 pounds.
Pacman can KO Oscar
The trainer said he would ask Top Rank promoter Bob Arum to start negotiating for a De la Hoya fight. ?At this point in his career, Manny Pacquiao can knock Oscar de la Hoya out.?
Roach said a December fight date would be fine and better than November because Pacquiao?s right hand was a little swollen after the David Diaz fight, and he would like it to heal completely.
?If Pacquiao fights De la Hoya, we would need a longer training camp just to work on the styles on how to beat him. De la Hoya is the bigger guy, he does have a good left hook, but he?s not the same Oscar of a few years ago.?
Roach revealed he had spoken to some people and they told him De la Hoya can make 147 (pounds), but the trainer said he wouldn?t let Pacquiao fight the Golden Boy over that weight.
Weight matters
?I will make sure that Pacquiao weighs 145 pounds at fight time, so he will have the power and the speed,? said Roach, who also revealed he had spoken to the Filipino champion about the De la Hoya fight, and Pacquiao told him: ?I?d love to fight Oscar and Oscar has publicly said, this is a big big fight.?
Roach believes that De la Hoya is probably upset with Pacquiao on the controversy over who he signed with?Golden Boy or Top Rank?and the court settlement that happened. ?Oscar seems a little bitter about that.?
Roach noted that when he trained De la Hoya for the fight against Floyd Mayweather Jr., ?he had trouble pulling the trigger. He?s quite slower, and if Steve Forbes can hit him as easily as he did, I know Pacquiao will knock him out.?
Roach said he doesn?t want Pacquiao to come in too heavy.
?I want him at 145, which is exactly what I wanted for the last fight against Diaz. We do need the speed because Manny has the power, for sure.?
Huge fight
Asked by Viva Sports/Standard Today whether the boxing market would be able to stand having to pay the two fighters a lot of money against the backdrop of an economic crisis in the US and the disappointing attendance figures and pay-per-view buys in recent fights, Roach was confident it could happen with a major promotional effort.
He said with a 24/7 pre-fight countdown that HBO produced for the De la Hoya-Mayweather fight, it will be huge.
?Manny has a hell of a story in the Philippines and a lot of Americans are interested. I?ll never take a fight if I didn?t know my guy could win. The money is secondary. A win is the most imporant thing. If Manny fights in the US in December and next year, he fights [British champion Ricky] Hatton, then he can be president of the Philippines after that.?
Win over Diaz was turning point
Roach said he was convinced by Pacquiao?s impressive performance against Diaz that he could take on De la Hoya.
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> that's a kinda loser's desperate reaction like
> Nacho's during the post fight conference. Be sure
> your JMM will not kiss the canvas again if ever there
> will be trilogy.
My man I'm a Pacman fan all the way. But I'm not going to act like Marquez hasn't given him hell in their two fights. Even winning more head-to-head rounds.
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This is a reply to ChicagoGurl last post.
> @ bostonpare:
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> Shame on me for ??? For what??? For simply stating
> that I'm NOT a Pacquiao fan??? I acknowledged
> Manny's talent. Bat nagagalit ka? Naman!
My firs post people!  Just couldnt help but reply.
I dont think he was angry. He was just probably dissappointed that a fellow Filipino could not see the achievements of Pacquiao and how he became one of the best boxers in the world right now.
Some people even say he is an oddity (in a positive way) with his boxing skills. But if you, his own countryman, couldnt even see this talent, then more and more people would really feel sorry for you. Even non-Filipinos would.
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Jul 18, 2008 2:39 AM
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> You know the funny thing about you cargilb, you try
> and make people look dumb with sarcasm, but most of
> the time your boxing opinions are questionable to say
> the least. You get in here and talk about how top
> fighters can't be beaten without a jab. Then several
> people correct you on how the last three P4P kings
> weren't jabbers and your stuck. Then you try and
> make everyone else look like they don't know what
> they're talking about. Then you pick Casamayor over
> Marquez. And when someone gives you valid points as
> to why Marquez is a solid favorite in this fight, you
> resort to lame sarcasm. My man, if you want to
> debate boxing, be willing to accept other people's
> opionions. If you can't, move around, because your
> looking very limited in your boxing knowledge my man.
that's a kinda loser's desperate reaction like Nacho's during the post fight conference. Be sure your JMM will not kiss the canvas again if ever there will be trilogy.
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Jul 16, 2008 12:13 PM
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> I don't see Pac Man and the Hitman fighting.
> Hatton had already set in motion his retirement
> before he fought Calazo (sp) So at moth he will fight
> 3 more times. If not just one more.
> I do wish he would go train with Manny though.
> He needs to get back into that type of shape to be
> like he once was.
>
> If WMM wins this fight againt Cas
> he and Manny will fight again. No if and or butts.
> They will be forced to by the money if not the sheer
> will of the people.
> Win or loose. I give WMM props
> cause Cas is a MUCH bigger and harder opponent than
> Diaz.
>
> An interesting fight would be Guzman IF he beats
> Cambell.
> Big IF but he is fast. Though I don't think he will
> have power to hurt Cambell. Which means Cambell can
> do what he wants long as he can catch him.
>
> PS HBO / Showtime
> PLEASE stop Fn having fights on the same night! We
> got a whole freaking year with lots of down time.
> Ughghg.
If Ricky Hatton beats Malignaggi, and Pac wins his fight later this year, you better believe Hatton-Pacquaio will be the first big fight of 2009. As far as Marquez goes, I think he and Pac fight later next year, regardless of outcomes. That is a trilogy that they will be able to sell regardless.
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Jul 16, 2008 3:37 AM
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I don't see Pac Man and the Hitman fighting.
Hatton had already set in motion his retirement before he fought Calazo (sp) So at moth he will fight 3 more times. If not just one more.
I do wish he would go train with Manny though.
He needs to get back into that type of shape to be like he once was.
If WMM wins this fight againt Cas
he and Manny will fight again. No if and or butts. They will be forced to by the money if not the sheer will of the people.
Win or loose. I give WMM props
cause Cas is a MUCH bigger and harder opponent than Diaz.
An interesting fight would be Guzman IF he beats Cambell.
Big IF but he is fast. Though I don't think he will have power to hurt Cambell. Which means Cambell can do what he wants long as he can catch him.
PS HBO / Showtime
PLEASE stop Fn having fights on the same night! We got a whole freaking year with lots of down time. Ughghg.
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> no one is debating that pac-man is the #1 p4p king.
> MP is the p4p king, no if ands or buts about it.
> Marquez doesn't have 2 victories over MP, not in
> theory, nor in any hypothetical misguided sense onf
> the word.
>
> MP won the first fight. A judge did not score the
> fight correctly. three knock dowms equals a 10-6
> round, not a 10-7 round, and a judge made that
> mistake on the scorecards. the only reason the
> decision hasn't been over turned is because no one
> wasnts to be responsible for giving back the gambling
> money to all the bettors.
>
> Give it a few yrs and there is a more likely chance
> that it will be over turned.
>
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Jul 14, 2008 3:23 PM
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> > Manny Pacquaio doesn't have an undisputed claim
> to
> > the P4P title. Quite frankly if there was an
> actual
> > P4P belt it would be vacant. The king retired.
> I
> > think your looking at the Pacquaio-Marquez
> fights too
> > black and white. You need to look at the spirit
> of
> > the fights, not just the results. Even had they
> gone
> > back and awarded Pac the first fight, it
> wouldn't
> > erase the fact that he was dominated over
> twelve
> > rounds. The second fight was much closer, and I
> feel
> > Pac edged Marquez out because of the
> knockdown.
> > Rematches and rubber matches aren't made because
> of
> > f official results. They are made becuase two
> guys
> > haven't seperated themselves in the ring. I
> would
> > almost bet my right arm that if you poll 100
> people
> > on who is the better fighter between Pac and
> Marquez
> > the result would be pretty close to 50-50.
> That's
> > why they need to fight again.
>
>
> no sense responding to this.
>
> --
> I came
> I saw
> and I conquered
You know the funny thing about you cargilb, you try and make people look dumb with sarcasm, but most of the time your boxing opinions are questionable to say the least. You get in here and talk about how top fighters can't be beaten without a jab. Then several people correct you on how the last three P4P kings weren't jabbers and your stuck. Then you try and make everyone else look like they don't know what they're talking about. Then you pick Casamayor over Marquez. And when someone gives you valid points as to why Marquez is a solid favorite in this fight, you resort to lame sarcasm. My man, if you want to debate boxing, be willing to accept other people's opionions. If you can't, move around, because your looking very limited in your boxing knowledge my man.
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no one is debating that pac-man is the #1 p4p king. MP is the p4p king, no if ands or buts about it. Marquez doesn't have 2 victories over MP, not in theory, nor in any hypothetical misguided sense onf the word.
MP won the first fight. A judge did not score the fight correctly. three knock dowms equals a 10-6 round, not a 10-7 round, and a judge made that mistake on the scorecards. the only reason the decision hasn't been over turned is because no one wasnts to be responsible for giving back the gambling money to all the bettors.
Give it a few yrs and there is a more likely chance that it will be over turned.
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> > no one is debating that pac-man is the #1 p4p
> king.
> > MP is the p4p king, no if ands or buts about
> it.
> > . Marquez doesn't have 2 victories over MP, not
> in
> > theory, nor in any hypothetical misguided sense
> onf
> > the word.
> >
> > MP won the first fight. A judge did not score
> the
> > fight correctly. three knock dowms equals a
> 10-6
> > round, not a 10-7 round, and a judge made that
> > mistake on the scorecards. the only reason the
> > decision hasn't been over turned is because no
> one
> > wasnts to be responsible for giving back the
> gambling
> > money to all the bettors.
> >
> > Give it a few yrs and there is a more likely
> chance
> > that it will be over turned.
> >
> > --
> > I came
> > I saw
> > and I conquered
>
> Manny Pacquaio doesn't have an undisputed claim to
> the P4P title. Quite frankly if there was an actual
> P4P belt it would be vacant. The king retired. I
> think your looking at the Pacquaio-Marquez fights too
> black and white. You need to look at the spirit of
> the fights, not just the results. Even had they gone
> back and awarded Pac the first fight, it wouldn't
> erase the fact that he was dominated over twelve
> rounds. The second fight was much closer, and I feel
> Pac edged Marquez out because of the knockdown.
> Rematches and rubber matches aren't made because of
> f official results. They are made becuase two guys
> haven't seperated themselves in the ring. I would
> almost bet my right arm that if you poll 100 people
> on who is the better fighter between Pac and Marquez
> the result would be pretty close to 50-50. That's
> why they need to fight again.
no sense responding to this.
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Jul 14, 2008 12:16 PM
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> no one is debating that pac-man is the #1 p4p king.
> MP is the p4p king, no if ands or buts about it.
> . Marquez doesn't have 2 victories over MP, not in
> theory, nor in any hypothetical misguided sense onf
> the word.
>
> MP won the first fight. A judge did not score the
> fight correctly. three knock dowms equals a 10-6
> round, not a 10-7 round, and a judge made that
> mistake on the scorecards. the only reason the
> decision hasn't been over turned is because no one
> wasnts to be responsible for giving back the gambling
> money to all the bettors.
>
> Give it a few yrs and there is a more likely chance
> that it will be over turned.
>
> --
> I came
> I saw
> and I conquered
Manny Pacquaio doesn't have an undisputed claim to the P4P title. Quite frankly if there was an actual P4P belt it would be vacant. The king retired. I think your looking at the Pacquaio-Marquez fights too black and white. You need to look at the spirit of the fights, not just the results. Even had they gone back and awarded Pac the first fight, it wouldn't erase the fact that he was dominated over twelve rounds. The second fight was much closer, and I feel Pac edged Marquez out because of the knockdown. Rematches and rubber matches aren't made because of official results. They are made becuase two guys haven't seperated themselves in the ring. I would almost bet my right arm that if you poll 100 people on who is the better fighter between Pac and Marquez the result would be pretty close to 50-50. That's why they need to fight again.
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> > well, when JMM fought pacman, he was wasn't
> rated
> > number 1. so, JMM would not be ranked #1 even
> if he
> > had been given a controversila decision against
> MP.
> >
> >
> > Anyway, MP is ranked number 1 for beating
> barrera,
> > and morales more so that JMM.
> >
> > --
> > I came
> > I saw
> > and I conquered
>
> I'm saying since there is no P4P king, a couple guys
> can make an argument that they are #1. Since
> Pacquaio seems to have more people on his bandwagon,
> including me, as the #1 P4P fighter, and Marquez
> could make a good argument that he has two victories
> over him, gives him as much claim as anyone to being
> the P4P #1.
no one is debating that pac-man is the #1 p4p king. MP is the p4p king, no if ands or buts about it. Marquez doesn't have 2 victories over MP, not in theory, nor in any hypothetical misguided sense onf the word.
MP won the first fight. A judge did not score the fight correctly. three knock dowms equals a 10-6 round, not a 10-7 round, and a judge made that mistake on the scorecards. the only reason the decision hasn't been over turned is because no one wasnts to be responsible for giving back the gambling money to all the bettors.
Give it a few yrs and there is a more likely chance that it will be over turned.
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> why have a trilogy if JMM lost twice already.
> trilogies are about the best 2 out of 3. beating
> g JMM 3 times will make MP look like he is picking
> easy fights that he knows he can win.
>
> if JMM lloses to casamatyor forget any trilogy.
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> Edited by cargilb1 at 07/13/2008 12:24 PM PDT
I agree with you again, Bob Arum considered Pacman-JMM is a finished business. Actually the judge who scored Rd.1 10-7 during fight 1 accepted the he made a mistake.
Analysis: 10-8 = 1 kd; 10-7 = 2 kd; 10-6 = 3 kd
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> well, when JMM fought pacman, he was wasn't rated
> number 1. so, JMM would not be ranked #1 even if he
> had been given a controversila decision against MP.
>
>
> Anyway, MP is ranked number 1 for beating barrera,
> and morales more so that JMM.
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I'm saying since there is no P4P king, a couple guys can make an argument that they are #1. Since Pacquaio seems to have more people on his bandwagon, including me, as the #1 P4P fighter, and Marquez could make a good argument that he has two victories over him, gives him as much claim as anyone to being the P4P #1.
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well, when JMM fought pacman, he was wasn't rated number 1. so, JMM would not be ranked #1 even if he had been given a controversila decision against MP.
Anyway, MP is ranked number 1 for beating barrera, and morales more so that JMM.
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