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If Cotto wins I expect he'd have a bigger name fight than Clottey would due to Cotto having a bigger name in the sport. Either way this fight is huge for both fighters and I'm looking forward to see who they'll face, let me know what you think?
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Re: What possible match ups do you see for the winner of Cotto vs Clottey?
Jun 23, 2009 9:14 PM
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Good points. Itll be interesting to see Tony get back in the mix and see how he does without his loaded gloves. The truth is there are some many possible combinations of good fights at WW you cant hardly miss any which way they go.
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Re: What possible match ups do you see for the winner of Cotto vs Clottey?
Jun 23, 2009 3:42 PM
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Cotto fans seem to be the new Gatti fans of boxing. Despite his obviously weaknesses you guys will have none of it. He's perfect. He has no weaknesses. He performed great every fight except against Margarito, who of course had loaded gloves. He's no Gatti who was a fighter with a pretty good punch, big heart and very little talent otherwise. Cotto is much more talented but he is still being severely overrated and his biggest fans seem totally blind to the obvious issues he has shown in key fights.
If you guys are honest with yourselves, these facts are beyond dispute:
1. Against Margarito, Cotto showed bad strategy in running away from the jump, leaving himself on the end of Tony's long armed punches and he showed a very leaky defense in attempting to defend against those punches. Look at his fight against Tony and then Mosley's and Clottey's against Tony. They defended themselves much better by staying closer to him and keeping their hands high. In addition, this fellow you all call so brave clearly quit when he could no longer sustain the punishment from Margarito. If they fight again, it wouldn't surprise me one bit if Margarito again destroys him.
2. Against both Mosley and Clottey, Cotto ran from them late in the fight, in the championship rounds when the going got tough. The excuse that is at drumbeat level now among Cotto supporters is that he had to do what he did against Clottey because of the cut. Well, what's the excuse against Mosley? Whatever the reasons, Cotto, the supposed big punching killer, ran from his three toughest opponents when the going got tough.
3. Cotto fans talk about the Mosley and Clottey fights as if he won clearly when he didn't in either case. He and Mosley were dead even in punches scored and power shots and Clottey had a clear edge in punches landed, power shots landed and scoring percentage. These are clear-cut victories??? I had the Mosley fight even and Clottey slightly ahead but I don't dispute Cotto being given slim margins in both fights. I'm not claiming he fought poorly; just that he certainly didn't win clearly or show either man he was the better fighter. Against Clottey in particular, he looked like the beaten up guy who was glad the fight was over.
Cotto is a good fighter now who could reach greatness but he's not great now. His defense is too leaky and unlike his fans, and that includes the HBO team that is supposed to be objective, I question his supposedly great heart and adaptability. Quitting (against Margarito) and running when the going gets tough (against Margarito, Mosley and Clottey) does not prove heart or adaptability to me. He's good enough to knock out the smaller Pac Man but with Pac Man's speed and accurate punching, it wouldn't surprise me to see Cotto quit again after being beaten up for 6-7 rounds.
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Re: What possible match ups do you see for the winner of Cotto vs Clottey?
Jun 22, 2009 10:21 PM
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> > If Cotto wins I expect he'd have a bigger name
> fight
> > than Clottey would due to Cotto having a bigger
> name
> > in the sport. Either way this fight is huge for
> both
> > fighters and I'm looking forward to see who
> they'll
> > face, let me know what you think?
>
> *** The only fight I'm looking for to see from Cotto
> is a rematch with Margarito II. This time with a
> good referee, ring judges & strict rules applyed to
> the fighters corners, fighters equipment before &
> after the fight, also mandatory piss-test, before &
> after the fight from both fighters! The fight site
> outside, in Oct. "09" @ Ceasars Palace, Las Vegas,
> Nev. Thats what I would like to see this year, big
> time! ***
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Good points. Itll be interesting to see Tony get back in the mix and see how he does without his loaded gloves. The truth is there are some many possible combinations of good fights at WW you cant hardly miss any which way they go.
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Re: What possible match ups do you see for the winner of Cotto vs Clottey?
Jun 22, 2009 6:43 PM
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and Floyd will want no part of cotto beacuase Floyd will not try to presurre Cotto.
manny pac is just too small.
I've heard that line a lot of times...Still, its the opposite that happens all the time. When it comes to Pac, its always the bigger who gets asswhooped all the time.
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Re: What possible match ups do you see for the winner of Cotto vs Clottey?
Jun 22, 2009 5:39 PM
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I hear critics say how the Cotto that fought Clottey would get stopped by Pacquaio inside 8 rounds and I'm like he fought the best he could under those circumstances.
Cotto had is eye split wide open with blood leaking into his eye-I mean non fighters should shut up sometimes cause it's not easy fighting with that kind of handicap.
I remember Pacquaio was very bothered by the little cut he had in the 1st Morrales fight so I know he would've quit if he was cut as severely as Cotto was. Bob Arum said himself that Pacquaio leaned over and said Cotto should quit fighting around the 7th and let the judges decide.
Anyway-this isn't anything against Pac but Cotto fought well considering everything and Clottey didn't do nowhere near enough to win the biggest fight of his career.
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Re: What possible match ups do you see for the winner of Cotto vs Clottey?
Jun 15, 2009 1:11 AM
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> If Cotto wins I expect he'd have a bigger name fight
> than Clottey would due to Cotto having a bigger name
> in the sport. Either way this fight is huge for both
> fighters and I'm looking forward to see who they'll
> face, let me know what you think?
*** The only fight I'm looking for to see from Cotto is a rematch with Margarito II. This time with a good referee, ring judges & strict rules applyed to the fighters corners, fighters equipment before & after the fight, also mandatory piss-test, before & after the fight from both fighters! The fight site outside, in Oct. "09" @ Ceasars Palace, Las Vegas, Nev. Thats what I would like to see this year, big time! ***
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Re: What possible match ups do you see for the winner of Cotto vs Clottey?
Jun 14, 2009 8:38 PM
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> If Floyd breaks his hands against one of these guys
> hes fucked. I think you would see an absence of heart
> there cuz these guys would keep coming on and Floyd
> would have nothing to keep them off.
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I'm not sure he has much to keep them off with good hands. He could barely keep off Rick.
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Re: What possible match ups do you see for the winner of Cotto vs Clottey?
Jun 14, 2009 8:32 PM
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i say andre berto be put to fight the big dawgs in the division already, i think its bull that he has one of the top belts and keeps fighting lower level fighters,
its deff time for the boy to become a man and show us if he can hang with the ellite.
maybe a unification trny between the three champs, that would be nice to see. there is way to much hype with all the P4P crown, big dollar fights are being made to fight for this unreal P4P trophy, as if being an official belt holder is not important. i totally understand mosley's frustrations.
well a i see a paquiao vs mosley in the cards and a cotto taking on the winner of mayweather v marquez. ....finiquito
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Re: What possible match ups do you see for the winner of Cotto vs Clottey?
Jun 14, 2009 8:20 PM
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Who shall be the next?
Let me try to break it down this way...
Mosley - that would definitely would be an interesting fight.
Pacquiao - It is definitely a must fight.
Margarito - Only if Cotto wants to revenge his lost to him. We'll see about Margarito's attitude when his suspension is finish. He will probably come out crying again saying that he deserve all the title shots.
Berto - I don't think Berto wants anything with Cotto. He's got the skills, talent, but I don't think he's got the hart.
Maywether - Hopefully, you never now with this guy.
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Re: What possible match ups do you see for the winner of Cotto vs Clottey?
Jun 14, 2009 2:44 AM
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> If Floyd breaks his hands against one of these guys
> hes fucked. I think you would see an absence of heart
> there cuz these guys would keep coming on and Floyd
> would have nothing to keep them off.
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First Fraud would cry, then they won't show his broken hand like when he claim his hand was broken in the Baldomir fight.
Funny how there was never a story or pictures of Fraud's broken hand in the Baldomir fight...lol
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Re: What possible match ups do you see for the winner of Cotto vs Clottey?
Jun 14, 2009 2:03 AM
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> > Cotto could have quit when he got cut and took
> the
> > easy way out. He had the kd and was ahead after
> 4
> > rds. A lesser fighter wouldve quit. Not Cotto.
> Hes a
> > tough mofo and dont mind earning his paycheck.
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> > "Never Die, Never Quit, Never Retreat"
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> I was screaming for him to stop before he went down.
> I won't lie I had MAJOR doubts about his Mental and
> physical state going into this tough fight with a
> pressure fighter. I thought for sure they would stop
> when the doctor came in. Much to my shock Cotto said
> "'m good" He made it clear that he wanted to continue
> 100% At the time I thought it was a stupid choice and
> I still do somewhat but it's admirable. I don't think
> Clottey, would have continued if he was in his
> position. Believe it or not I think Mayweather would.
> If you don't believe me go back and watch the fight
> when he broke his hands. I thought he showed alot of
> heart.
If Floyd breaks his hands against one of these guys hes fucked. I think you would see an absence of heart there cuz these guys would keep coming on and Floyd would have nothing to keep them off.
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Re: What possible match ups do you see for the winner of Cotto vs Clottey?
Jun 14, 2009 2:01 AM
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Without a gaping cut obstructing his vision and the loss of blood sapping his strength Cotto wins a clearer decision in a rematch but the money definitely aint there. Two fights out there for Cotto maybe three. Rematch Mosley and win the ring belt or go after Floyd. Manny comes up to 147 and that makes for a good fight also. I dont think Cotto can make a catch weight.
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Re: What possible match ups do you see for the winner of Cotto vs Clottey?
Jun 14, 2009 1:58 AM
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> Cotto could have quit when he got cut and took the
> easy way out. He had the kd and was ahead after 4
> rds. A lesser fighter wouldve quit. Not Cotto. Hes a
> tough mofo and dont mind earning his paycheck.
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I was screaming for him to stop before he went down. I won't lie I had MAJOR doubts about his Mental and physical state going into this tough fight with a pressure fighter. I thought for sure they would stop when the doctor came in. Much to my shock Cotto said "'m good" He made it clear that he wanted to continue 100% At the time I thought it was a stupid choice and I still do somewhat but it's admirable. I don't think Clottey, would have continued if he was in his position. Believe it or not I think Mayweather would. If you don't believe me go back and watch the fight when he broke his hands. I thought he showed alot of heart.
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Re: What possible match ups do you see for the winner of Cotto vs Clottey?
Jun 14, 2009 1:50 AM
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I'd also like to see a rematch but Cotto ain't stupid. Not that he would fear Clottey but the money ain't in a rematch.
But what the hell was up with that Slippery as boxing ring. Both them dudes look like they was ice skating and they both seemed to avoid the slick TECATE emblem in the middle of the ring. Madison Square Garden needs to check that.
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Re: What possible match ups do you see for the winner of Cotto vs Clottey?
Jun 14, 2009 1:42 AM
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Clottey lost but that 116-111 was some bullshit. It was close and the deciding rounds were the 1st and the 12th. The knocldown gave Cotto a round and an extra point that he wouldn't have gotten and in the last round Clottey played it too safe...last two rounds really and gave away precious points. The best Clottey could have done was a draw.
Clotttey needs to get back in the ring as soon as possible because he gave a valiant effort but he proved himself too dangerous for Pac-Man or Mayweather to fuck with considering the draw. He needs to press for a fight against Berto( somebody that needs a name opponent but who also holds a title) or Luis Collozo or Carlos Quintana(who both need a named opponent to get back in the thick of things) If he is feeling ballsy he might also want to call out Cintron or Williams if wants to lay it all on the line.
Cotto showed heart but he doesn't look invincible and that is actually a good thing. He looks vulnerable enough to beat so a fight with Mayweather or Pac-Man could be made.
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