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The light heavyweight battle between Kelly Pavlik and Bernard Hopkins takes place October 18th at 9:00 PM ET/6:00 PM PT. Pavlik, the current undefeated middleweight world champion, who is moving up in weight to face Hopkins at 170 pounds, has been compared to an express train as he continues to thrill boxing fans with his aggressive ring style, devastating power and 90% knock-out ratio. Discuss this fight.
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Re: PPV: Oct. 18, 2008 - Pavlik vs. Hopkins
Oct 19, 2008 7:37 AM
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One thing I can say about this match is WOW!!!!!
This entire fight was exactly the opposite of what I thought it would be. I was one of the many who thought that Pavlik would win this fight. I thought he would win on points. There were many who thought Pavlik would win by KO, which I heavily disputed.
I was sitting on the edge on my chair all night long after I seen B-Hop win the first and second round. I seriously thought that Pavlik was holding back to wait for Hopkins to wear him self out, but it didn't happen.
What I have gathered from this fight is a generation of fighters who truly know the sport, verses a generation of fighters who "think" they know the sport. Hopkins schooled Pavlik in every way possible.
Hopkins went into the fight knowing that Pavlik would expect him to play the "shell" game that he normally does, but he didn't. Hopkins didn't play his normal game and that is what won him the fight.
From this point, I am wondering what is left for the new blood of the sport. Do they learn from the truly "greats" or do they continue on their path of what they think is great?
** For the record, I thought Pavlik would win by points, but i was rooting for B-Hop, just like I did in the Hopkins/Calzaghie match! Furthermore...I think this is the year of upsets and I think Jones will school Calzaghie!
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Re: PPV: Oct. 18, 2008 - Pavlik vs. Hopkins
Oct 19, 2008 2:29 AM
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Well, He did it again. Same strat different opponet. The legend kills again. The puzzle still remains tho. How does he continue to do what he does?
Pavlik is still a great fighter as I said before this. He was going against the one fighter that traditional boxing dosent work against. I dont want to sound like a broken record, but B-hop nullifies jabs and solid shots. Played out just as i said it would except for a few changes. B-hop threw more punches than i thought he would, and he won 12 rounds instead of the 8-10 as i predicted.
The biggest exception is that he didnt get cheated on the decision. I was still sweating bullets until the first score was announced, and for that i am sorry. As a great man once said," I played to my fears instead of my hopes". " That everyone is fundementally good, and thier actions are bad at times not the person". Some of yall may remember me saying how hopkins would win the majority of the rounds, and still lose a close unanimous decision because he had made a racist comment before the Joe Cally robbery. I even went as far as to say that B-hop would not win another decision versus a white fighter ever again baised on how badly he was robbed in a fight where he knocked Joe down and won 8 rounds.
I now have renewed faith in the boxing judges. We dont need open scoring in blowouts like that, but I felt we should on expected close fights like this. In the end they got it right, and in dramatic fashion being dead on with the fans scorecards.
Lastly, im sorry for the money I lost on this fight. Although i picked hopkins to win a while ago, I didnt put a substatial bet in with 3-1 odds because I was afraid of the decision.
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Re: PPV: Oct. 18, 2008 - Pavlik vs. Hopkins
Oct 19, 2008 1:58 AM
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Hey Bones! You're so poetic! Too bad you missed spelling and English class or you could be an author or journalist!!!!! LMFAO!
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Re: PPV: Oct. 18, 2008 - Pavlik vs. Hopkins
Oct 19, 2008 1:54 AM
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I'm not counting Joe out, I just think RJJ learned his lesson and has the skills and speed to beat Calzaghe. And I don't think Joe will catch him like Tarver or Johnson did and even if he does, it's gotta be the perfect clean shot. He's gotta earn major respect early in that fight to win.
You're right on point tonight Hate. The last time I counted a old fighter out was.... well you know. I don't think its safe to underestimate Jones either. If he can get a shade of his former self into the ring with Slappy Joe we might just see what we saw tonight. I'm done making assumptions that washed up legends can't get back in the game.
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Re: PPV: Oct. 18, 2008 - Pavlik vs. Hopkins
Oct 19, 2008 1:51 AM
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bones - would you speak english please? I didn't understand a word you said.
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Re: PPV: Oct. 18, 2008 - Pavlik vs. Hopkins
Oct 19, 2008 1:50 AM
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I think Jones lost a step without fully realizing it after coming back down so quickly and didn't want to believe it. He got caught with shots he wouldn't normally have gotten caught with in his prime.
But against Tito, he used more than just movement on defense. And if Hopkins can put Joe on his ass, Jones can.
I'm not counting Joe out, I just think RJJ learned his lesson and has the skills and speed to beat Calzaghe. And I don't think Joe will catch him like Tarver or Johnson did and even if he does, it's gotta be the perfect clean shot. He's gotta earn major respect early in that fight to win.
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Re: PPV: Oct. 18, 2008 - Pavlik vs. Hopkins
Oct 19, 2008 1:49 AM
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Tarver or Johnson has one punch KO power either. I don't think RJ has a glass jaw, I just think he went for so long never getting that he doesn't know how to take punches. Either way, RJ hasn't won a meaningful fight in five years and he's getting in there with possibly the best fighter in the world. He's in trouble and as a longtime RJ fan I'm not going to order it to wtahc him get beaten up.
Tarver took Jones out in the second fight with pretty much one punch although that is not the standard. And as far as Jones not having a meaningful win you musta missed the Trinidad fight. 
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Re: PPV: Oct. 18, 2008 - Pavlik vs. Hopkins
Oct 19, 2008 1:48 AM
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lol lmfao now now now all you boxing wana bees wake up the final bell has rung its over so stop crying and pay up cus you were told over again serves you rite for hateing LOOSERS ok lets get it on and over ding ding rnd 1 ya no hopkins is best at what he doeswith out a dobt of corse you who dobted LOST> rule no 2. this is a champion that is a hall of famer in his wht div and has ruled it 10 to 15 yrs so again you haters were TOLD BUT you still dobted and you LOST rule no.3 you can hate him you can love him and in your own ugly world be raciest ya see thats the down fall cus BOXING has no color we all bleed RED in that lonly square ring only 2 boxers taking and giving pain to each other but a king of skills who wrote the book on the knuckle game and minipulates you by his tactics faints bobs weves slides then BOOM got you ect. that boxing 101 so he has proven again OVER AGAIN to all you who dont no SHIT about the ART of boxing but only who you hate rule no.3 teaches YOU its not the color of ones skin but the many years of perfecting a few skills mastering the art of boxing so long live the KING of boxing proven win or loose never quit go that distance eat that pain but you haters would never no cus your couch potatoes never ran 5 or 10 miles before breakfast thats why youll always loose this kind of bet you look at the color and overlook the skills rule NO 3 BOOM YOUR OUT LOOSERS LONG LIVE HOPKINS THE X MASTER OK SUCKERS CLASS IS OVER
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Re: PPV: Oct. 18, 2008 - Pavlik vs. Hopkins
Oct 19, 2008 1:46 AM
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> There's no shame in losing to Hopkins. But Pavlik, as
> much as I like him and watching him fight, his elite
> status was pre-mature.
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> He will get a pass for now but alot depends on what
> he does after this if he ever fights someone like
> Wright, Calzaghe, Jones. He's gotta learn a plan B
> and be able to adjust on the fly when he can't make
> his opponent adjust to him.
I agree. This is exactly why B-Hop is still in everyone Top 5 P4P ratings. He was actually rated ahead of Pavlik on most. I completely agree that he should get a pass. Just like Ricky Hatton did when he lost to Money. Now, if Pavlik comes out in his next fight and has a performance like Hatton did against Lazcano, he will be done as a P4P elite.
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Re: PPV: Oct. 18, 2008 - Pavlik vs. Hopkins
Oct 19, 2008 1:45 AM
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Does a loss like this mean that Pavlik's status as an elite fighter is gone? Or is B-Hop just that good that we give Pavlik a pass on this one?
Kelly doesn't get a pass unless he shows the next time out that he just had an off night. Kelly is still an elite fighter. He just got beat. It happens to the best of them. What he does from here on out will determine if he deserves all the hype he got going into this fight. Winning the MW belt is not an easy task. Being undisputed is even harder. I'm not ready to write him off yet. Bernard showed signs of his former greatness. There have been a lot of fighters who couldn't withstand that test.
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Re: PPV: Oct. 18, 2008 - Pavlik vs. Hopkins
Oct 19, 2008 1:43 AM
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> Does a loss like this mean that Pavlik's status as an
> elite fighter is gone? Or is B-Hop just that good
> that we give Pavlik a pass on this one?
There's no shame in losing to Hopkins. But Pavlik, as much as I like him and watching him fight, his elite status was pre-mature.
He will get a pass for now but alot depends on what he does after this if he ever fights someone like Wright, Calzaghe, Jones. He's gotta learn a plan B and be able to adjust on the fly when he can't make his opponent adjust to him.
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Re: PPV: Oct. 18, 2008 - Pavlik vs. Hopkins
Oct 19, 2008 1:42 AM
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> Joe doesn't have one-shot ko power. He's gonna find
> alot of air against a guy faster on his feet than
> Hopkins.
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> Roy's chin was exposed, but I think a little too much
> has been made of that. Even with all the natural
> talent he does posess, if it was as bad as some now
> think, it would have been exposed much earlier. And
> I'm not sure Joe hits a whole lot harder than Tito,
> but he will give Roy some problems.
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> But to win, he has to scare him and that means hurt
> him early and unexpectedly.
Tarver or Johnson has one punch KO power either. I don't think RJ has a glass jaw, I just think he went for so long never getting that he doesn't know how to take punches. Either way, RJ hasn't won a meaningful fight in five years and he's getting in there with possibly the best fighter in the world. He's in trouble and as a longtime RJ fan I'm not going to order it to wtahc him get beaten up.
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Re: PPV: Oct. 18, 2008 - Pavlik vs. Hopkins
Oct 19, 2008 1:37 AM
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> > Good analysis. And, I agree that Calzaghe is
> > under-rated. My only point of contention is
> that RJJ
> > has no chance of winning. He's going to get
> knocked
> > out - again!
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> I hate to say it, but I know RJ is going to get KOed
> again.
Joe doesn't have one-shot ko power. He's gonna find alot of air against a guy faster on his feet than Hopkins.
Roy's chin was exposed, but I think a little too much has been made of that. Even with all the natural talent he does posess, if it was as bad as some now think, it would have been exposed much earlier. And I'm not sure Joe hits a whole lot harder than Tito, but he will give Roy some problems.
But to win, he has to scare him and that means hurt him early and unexpectedly.
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Re: PPV: Oct. 18, 2008 - Pavlik vs. Hopkins
Oct 19, 2008 1:31 AM
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Does a loss like this mean that Pavlik's status as an elite fighter is gone? Or is B-Hop just that good that we give Pavlik a pass on this one?
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Re: PPV: Oct. 18, 2008 - Pavlik vs. Hopkins
Oct 19, 2008 1:29 AM
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Man I'm not sure what to think anymore. I thought rusty old Vitaly would get exposed and he won. I thought Bernard would be too slow and he outquicked the youngster. This sport defies all logic. LOL. That's why its the greatest sport on the planet.
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