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Everyone always says that they are two different sports and tries to downplay how connected they are but I tend to think that there are many fans that like both sports and when push comes to shove a lot of ppvs are held close together so people have to make a tough choice on which they'll choose to spend money on. What sport do you think will have better numbers?
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Re: Which sport do you think will do better in 2009 Boxing or MMA?
Jan 27, 2009 5:40 PM
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Although i have loved boxing since i was a kid MMA has clearly caught up to boxing and is well on its way to taking over as a more watched sport. boxing continues to rip people off with crappy ppv fights that have a bunch of no names on the undercard. and sometimes even the main events blow(see manny vs. oscar). Also there is clearly still alot of controversy in boxing with all the fixed decisions and cheating. UFC does a very good job of putting the fights the fans want to see together and they often have action packed fight cards with 2 or 3 quality matches and even the fights with no names surprise u and are entertaining. Also UFC is more consistent and already has a bunch of fight cards already planned out for the upcoming months. Where as in boxing u r lucky to see a decent fight card every 2 or 3 months. also mma is just plain more exciting to watch. U get blood, knockouts, close fights, everything u could want and in boxing u rarely get that
usaf2006, u hit the nail so clearly on the head it isn't funny! I love boxing soooo much...it was the only sport me & my father ever watched together that his passion was passed to me! But the addition of all the alphabet soup associations/organizations/federations/commissions that won't allow their champs to really fight one another to unify the belts is ridiculous!!!
Then the fighters' promoters/mgrs don't really make as many real fan fights unless the $$$ involved has them sick w/even the thought of turning the fight down!
MMA says we're going to give u at least 2 fights on our card w/larger names in our sport every event w/some solid up-in-comers!
And for u die-hard boxing fans, please stop being so closeminded & condemning of the sport. The years of blood, sweat & tears involved to master their art should be revered.
There's just too much corruption in boxing. Plus, its becoming the college BCS-like! One loss, you're almost putting urself out of contention; two losses, u'r a solid fighter but u'll have to go on a streak of 10 wins just to get a shot; and three of more losses, u are a gloried journeyman gatekeeper...will never see a championship game, Utah!!!
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Re: Which sport do you think will do better in 2009 Boxing or MMA?
Jan 27, 2009 10:46 AM
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I previously stated that boxing would do better and I still believe that but after this Mosley victory and Hopkins victory and Vitali's victory or Peters leads me to believe that once these older fighters retire boxing will struggle. It seems as if this new generation isn't built the same. Hopefully I'm wrong but I'm just calling it how I see it. Luckily for boxing, there's still enough fights that will demand an audience this up coming year but the way it's headed 2010 and beyond will start to wear thin. Can you imagine if all the divisions started looking like the Heavyweight division. Yeah, scary, I know!!
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Re: Which sport do you think will do better in 2009 Boxing or MMA?
Jan 27, 2009 2:02 AM
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Although i have loved boxing since i was a kid MMA has clearly caught up to boxing and is well on its way to taking over as a more watched sport. boxing continues to rip people off with crappy ppv fights that have a bunch of no names on the undercard. and sometimes even the main events blow(see manny vs. oscar). Also there is clearly still alot of controversy in boxing with all the fixed decisions and cheating. UFC does a very good job of putting the fights the fans want to see together and they often have action packed fight cards with 2 or 3 quality matches and even the fights with no names surprise u and are entertaining. Also UFC is more consistent and already has a bunch of fight cards already planned out for the upcoming months. Where as in boxing u r lucky to see a decent fight card every 2 or 3 months. also mma is just plain more exciting to watch. U get blood, knockouts, close fights, everything u could want and in boxing u rarely get that
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Re: Which sport do you think will do better in 2009 Boxing or MMA?
Jan 26, 2009 8:34 PM
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The Fedor Emelianenko vs Andre Arlovski had some good fights in it. And wow, what a finish with that overhand right vs Flying Knee.
Just wait til the PPV numbers start coming out between boxing vs MMA........ that is a good indicator of where people want to spend their hard-earned money and also a good indicator of which sport the general public likes more.
Golden Boy Promotions and Trump both have entered the MMA market....... joining up with Affliction. DLH wasn't paid 5 million dollars to appear at Affliction, if you believe that, you have some serious problems, LOL. GBP, Trump, Affliction, M-1 Global are all buisness partners....... DLH and Donald Trump were both present at the Affliction event for buisness, and to show they are serious about the MMA market.
I don't understand how boxing fans can bash MMA, calling them people off the streets, with no skill, etc etc......... There are people in MMA who have trained ALL their life in Jiu-Jitsu, Kickboxing, Wrestling, etc etc......... They don't bash boxing, and majority have nothing bad to say about boxing....... just different arts of fighting. YES, there are the skilless people off the streets like Kimbo...... but they NEVER make it to the top, not even passed mid-level fighters.
It's like football players calling the sport of basketball a sissy sport, full of bums, etc etc........ Just different sports.
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Re: Which sport do you think will do better in 2009 Boxing or MMA?
Jan 26, 2009 7:38 PM
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With guys ducking each other left and right in boxing and guys like Margarito loading his gloves with concrete, its hard to say that boxing won't be overtaken by MMA, maybe not now but in the near future. Besides Fedor and a handful of others, the UFC has every big name fighter under them. Plus take into account that there isnt a wbo wba wbc ibf beltholder in every division like in boxing there is only one true champ and only one line to go through in order to face the champ in the UFC. And by having it like that you get more great matchups in one year maybe 5 or 6 must see fights compared to boxing where there is 2 or 3 must see fights. The way boxing is structured a guy like Mayweather can beat the wba champ in this weight class the ibf champ in another weightclass and the wbo champ in another weightclass and he, along with a bunch of other ignorant knuckleheads will say he was a 3 division champ meanwhile ducking all the TRUE champs of the division!!! But in the UFC if you wanna be the middleweight champ you gotta fight Anderson Silva and before you even get to him you gotta beat all bunch of top tier fighters in the division. There is no possible way of calling yourself the champ unless you go through this, plain and simple. If it was this way in boxing the TRUE welterweight champ would've been crowned months ago. Boxing would've had megafight after megafight considering Mayweather, Cotto, Williams, Clottey, Shane, and Margarito's cheatin ass would've all had to get through one another in order to be recognized as the undisputed champ. Thats whats wrong with boxing and if the UFC keeps doing what they're doing they'll be in good shape in the future. Boxing is getting shadier and shadier and if they continue to stay with their crooked ways then I see MMA surpassing them in the future. But I hope I'm wrong.
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Re: Which sport do you think will do better in 2009 Boxing or MMA?
Jan 26, 2009 4:13 PM
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REALspicy, I just wanted to say Slick Ricky is going to beat up Pacquiao. So what do you have to say about that? I'm just playing with you, but he will beat your boy up though, seriously, naw I'm serious, 4real, I'm not playing anymore. So, do you like other fighter's, or doES the buck stop @ Pac? Oh yeah, one more thing, how do you watch fights-do you have fight party's-drink and get it popping or do you watch em by yourself? Just curious, we're all friends here.
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Re: Which sport do you think will do better in 2009 Boxing or MMA?
Jan 26, 2009 12:15 PM
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> Did any of you catch the Fedor Emelianenko fight vs
> Andrei Arlovski? The knockout was awesome but for
> pure entertainment value, Mosley's fight vs Margarito
> was a hell of a lot better to watch. I normally like
> watching boxing more than MMA. I like the different
> options available in MMA where you see different
> styles and aspects of fighting throughout the match,
> however I'd take that Mosley Margarito fight over any
> MMA fight, I've ever seen and I've been watching MMA
> since the UFC had their first unsanctioned Match
> about 16 years aog or so, so that's saying a lot!
> What I didn't like was how the commentators when
> n mentioning MMA and De La Hoya's involvement had to
> try to discredit the sport or talk badly about it. I
> think they are two different sports and should be
> looked at separately, and not something that boxing
> needs to be afraid of or talk badly about. There
> are many fighters who have great skill in different
> areas, and in boxing there are many fighters who have
> very little skill and we just don't see those fights
> showcased. By the way for those who may not have
> known this, Freddie Roach trained Arlovski on his
> boxing for the fight he got knocked out in, and had
> Arlovski won the fight, there was speculation that
> he'd make the transition to boxing to vie for a HW
> title.
Right now MMA is starting to experience the problems Boxing does. They companies are so split you have guys like Fedor who don't want to come fight in UFC for contract issues although everyone want to see him fight the best in UFC for YEARS. It's just troublesome. Having so many different MMA fighters spread in different businesses causes a strain on them all together. I think UFC will eventually beat out all the rest. Think of WWF vs WCW and ECW.
So if we are keeping score wouldn't you agree that Berto vs Collazo and Mosley vs Margarito means that Boxing is up. 2-0.
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Re: Which sport do you think will do better in 2009 Boxing or MMA?
Jan 26, 2009 12:07 PM
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Did any of you catch the Fedor Emelianenko fight vs Andrei Arlovski? The knockout was awesome but for pure entertainment value, Mosley's fight vs Margarito was a hell of a lot better to watch. I normally like watching boxing more than MMA. I like the different options available in MMA where you see different styles and aspects of fighting throughout the match, however I'd take that Mosley Margarito fight over any MMA fight, I've ever seen and I've been watching MMA since the UFC had their first unsanctioned Match about 16 years aog or so, so thats saying a lot! What I didn't like was how the commentators when mentioning MMA and De La Hoya's involvement had to try to discredit the sport or talk badly about it. I think they are two different sports and should be looked at separately, and not something that boxing needs to be afraid of or talk badly about. There are many fighters who have great skill in different areas, and in boxing there are many fighters who have very little skill and we just don't see those fights showcased. By the way for those who may not have known this, Freddie Roach trained Arlovski on his boxing for the fight he got knocked out in, and had Arlovski won the fight, there was speculation that he'd make the transition to boxing to vie for a HW title.
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Re: Which sport do you think will do better in 2009 Boxing or MMA?
Jan 26, 2009 10:56 AM
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Pully hits this on the head. Skill level for skill level there is no comparison. I always say you can't go in real big league sports and grab guys off the street and turn them into top athletes at their game except MMA. What does that tell even the simplest of brains? By definition boxing is not part of MMA. MMA punches they don't box. Anybody can punch not everybody can throw a true boxing punch. Boxers don't need wind up punches to "try" and create power. They need very short distance becuase of the skill they have developed. They punch harder than any other striking sport. If you think not come and get some of that $$. Not to mention putting 4 or 5 of those short punches together in a few seconds with power levergae at the feet. What's even more interseting is that some form of MMA just paid ODLH 5 million to help promote them.
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Re: Which sport do you think will do better in 2009 Boxing or MMA?
Jan 15, 2009 7:02 AM
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UFC is catching up ... in America ... but if you go to the UK, Germany, Mexico or Thailand, boxing is doing great there. The sport is not dying at all, it is just going the way of soccer -- more international than a main US thing.
It is all wonderful to think that UFC is more noble for not having fighters be able to choose opponents and such. There are no fabricated stories of fighters turning down $8 million (and $8 million of that fighter's own money no less). The reason this is so is that the fighters are indentured servants to Dana White. Besides Lesnar and a couple others, the guys are not paid especially well compared to the revenue they are generating. The PPV dollars line Dana White's pocket, not the fighter so much. Obviously this is the case with some of the more evil promoters (Murad Muhammad) in boxing, but largely the guys at the top of the card are compensated like star athletes in other sports. Given they are the protagonist in the drama here, I am okay with that.
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Re: Which sport do you think will do better in 2009 Boxing or MMA?
Jan 15, 2009 6:05 AM
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mola, You mean boxing is a bigger sport than MMA . UFC is not a sport , that's what I've been trying to tell people. I know what you meant , but when you talk about MMA the first thing people say is UFC. I love the sport of MMA, but it is not to be compared with boxing because it is a totally different sport in it's style and history . It literally pisses me off when I hear these idiot's like joe rogan say that boxing is only one aspect of MMA . No joe, the sport of boxing is A craft that some times takes a man 20 years to master , it's not that small part of MMA that's called striking. If you don't compete in boxing at an early age , you will never be able to compete with the elite of the sport. Boxers have tons of amateur fights before ever turning pro and ,when they do turn pro they have to fight 20 to 30 matches before they ever get a big name or a title shot. With all the experience these guys have , and you still want to compare them to A group of fighters who have only been training for an average of 5 years. No one has ever crafted MMA well enough to compare it to boxing. If you like slower pace fighting with quick burst's of action then you will like MMA , but if you like speed and non stop action for 12 rounds then boxing is for you. And don't give me that shit about how some mma fighters are faster than some boxers , because you know that's a damn lie!! Go to you tube and watch boxing vs MMA , the one were they show boxing matches on one side of the screen and MMA matches on the other side. Then compare the speed, the level of continuous action and total entertainment, and you will see why the sport of MMA has a lot of catching up to do . Maybe 100 years or more , why not ? Boxing had to do it, so why don't MMA . The reason is because the UFC has to make money now, not later when their competitors are truly worthy to be compared to real pro's like football players , basketball players ,boxers and many more . All of these sports and athletes put in years of training and tradition, so how can you say MMA is really catching up? I love MMA and boxing, but I like boxing more because it is a finely tuned and polished sport , like baseball. I think you get the picture Im painting.
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Re: Which sport do you think will do better in 2009 Boxing or MMA?
Jan 15, 2009 2:10 AM
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csix , did you actually figure up those stats your self or did you get them from a quote unquote reliable source . Because if you didn't count them your self then you don't know for sure . both of are facts may be wrong . and what does it matter If the facts come from 2007 or 1907 the question was , which sport will do better in 2009. my bad man I forgot mma has only been around since the 80's. Just because mma did well in 2008 don't mean shit . There are ups and downs in any sport you idiot, and if you believe that one year in a sports 20 year history paints the whole picture then your the fool. As it stands boxing is a much bigger sport, period.
I see something... You asked csix if he had counted the stats by his self... Well, did you? I know boxing is a bigger sport than boxing, but UFC is really catching up...
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Re: Which sport do you think will do better in 2009 Boxing or MMA?
Jan 14, 2009 7:56 PM
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csix , did you actually figure up those stats your self or did you get them from a quote unquote reliable source . Because if you didn't count them your self then you don't know for sure . both of are facts may be wrong . and what does it matter If the facts come from 2007 or 1907 the question was , which sport will do better in 2009. my bad man I forgot mma has only been around since the 80's. Just because mma did well in 2008 don't mean shit . There are ups and downs in any sport you idiot, and if you believe that one year in a sports 20 year history paints the whole picture then your the fool. As it stands boxing is a much bigger sport, period.
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Re: Which sport do you think will do better in 2009 Boxing or MMA?
Jan 14, 2009 5:38 PM
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>ufc 91 sold only 800,000 ppv buys after being proclaimed the one that would break records. floyd vs de la hoya sold roughly four times that amount
So UFC 91: Couture/Lesnar only did 800k PPV buys? and PBF/DLH did 4x that, meaning they did 3.2 million PPV buys!?
Sorry to burst your bubble, but Couture/Lesnar did 1,010,000 PPV buys, and PBF/DLH did 2.4 million PPV buys, not 3.2, LOL. What year was that? 2007? The UFC also forcasted 1.2 million buys for Couture/Lesnar, and were short 190,000PPV buys, a bit worse than they projected. They never projected it would "shatter" records, LOL.
>each fighter earned around 20 million for the fight.
Sorry to burst your bubble AGAIN. Floyd made roughly 25 mil. and DLH made roughly 52 mil........ where you get your 20 million each from? LOL!
Obviously you don't use facts when debating.......... good luck debating with other people on these forums, cause I'm done making you look like a fool 
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Re: Which sport do you think will do better in 2009 Boxing or MMA?
Jan 14, 2009 5:15 PM
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csix, let's keep in mind that the ufc's most recent fight card , ufc 91 sold only 800,000 ppv buys after being proclaimed the one that would break records. floyd vs de la hoya sold roughly four times that amount. each fighter earned around 20 million for the fight. Lesnar earned just 450,000 for his win over couture, and nearly half that is a bonus for winning the fight. so is mma really comparable to boxing? To get off the subject of ppv stats for the year , what about HBO vs Spike or Show Time vs Versus ha ha !!! I want even elaborate on that . You get the picture.
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