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Ortiz is marketable, talented, has the right look, and seems to have a compelling life story. Do you feel that Golden Boy is right in believing that he's ready to become a super star or are they moving too quickly with the 22 year old fighter? I'd like to hear your thoughts on this.
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Re: Do you think Victor Ortiz is ready to be boxing's next star?
Jul 26, 2009 11:30 AM
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Re: Do you think Victor Ortiz is ready to be boxing's next star?
Jul 25, 2009 3:24 PM
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Victor Ortiz doesn't have a fighting heart.
He doesn't belong in professional boxing... 
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Re: Do you think Victor Ortiz is ready to be boxing's next star?
Jul 16, 2009 10:57 PM
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i'm gonna give the young kid ortiz the benefit of the doubt and give him a chance to redeem himself before i lay judgement.
it's easy to rip this young kid for quitting the way he did BUT i wanna see how he conducts himself in his next fight and another one after that. Maybe he gets in trouble again and than lets see what he does. if he still quits before diggin down deep, than i'm gonna have to say that he should've taken his pretty face and persue a modeling career unstead of prize fighting.
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Re: Do you think Victor Ortiz is ready to be boxing's next star?
Jul 9, 2009 9:27 PM
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> > Ortiz is where Vitali Klitschko was after the
> Chris
> > Byrd fight ... Vitali's performance against
> Lennox
> > Lewis wiped that away ... there is time, but
> Ortiz
> > will have to go through hell at least once to do
> so
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> I dont think hes got it in him. His own statement
> that he doesnt deserve to take a beating shows hes
> not really cut out for the fight game. Most likely
> he'll quit again when the going gets tough.
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> "Never Die, Never Quit, Never Retreat"
Let's hope he doesn't quit if/when that happens again. I don't see him as a Camacho, Jr.-type. Let's hope he's a Terry Norris-type, great offense, leaky defense and chin, but still capable of some great things during his career. Yes, I'm an Ortiz fan.
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Re: Do you think Victor Ortiz is ready to be boxing's next star?
Jul 8, 2009 1:02 AM
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> Ortiz is where Vitali Klitschko was after the Chris
> Byrd fight ... Vitali's performance against Lennox
> Lewis wiped that away ... there is time, but Ortiz
> will have to go through hell at least once to do so
I dont think hes got it in him. His own statement that he doesnt deserve to take a beating shows hes not really cut out for the fight game. Most likely he'll quit again when the going gets tough.
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Re: Do you think Victor Ortiz is ready to be boxing's next star?
Jul 8, 2009 1:01 AM
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> And PROPS to Maidana for picking his butt up off
> the canvas three times and showing us what it's
> about !!!
>
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Absolutely. Hes the kind of fighter fans can get on board with. If he keeps winning hes gonna be a superstar.
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Re: Do you think Victor Ortiz is ready to be boxing's next star?
Jul 7, 2009 3:44 PM
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Ortiz is where Vitali Klitschko was after the Chris Byrd fight ... Vitali's performance against Lennox Lewis wiped that away ... there is time, but Ortiz will have to go through hell at least once to do so
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Re: Do you think Victor Ortiz is ready to be boxing's next star?
Jul 7, 2009 3:18 PM
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ABSOLUTELY NOT! NEVER!!! I hope he never receives air time again.
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Re: Do you think Victor Ortiz is ready to be boxing's next star?
Jul 4, 2009 12:13 AM
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Sorry, Ortiz has a nice story, but he is not the next big thing in boxing, far from it!
He quit, simple as that!
GBP and Ortiz are now in damage control mode.
But that is what happens when you keep feeding your fighter tomato cans and then putting him up against a legitimate KO puncher.
Growth-Hormone Boys Promotions have better luck with their old fighters on ROIDS and HORMONES.
They keep losing to Pacquiao and their Numero uno promotion is going to lose money. GBP is dumb for putting a fight between a runner and counter puncher.
Who is the Einstein who came up with that blunder..lol.
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Re: Do you think Victor Ortiz is ready to be boxing's next star?
Jul 3, 2009 7:25 PM
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I think that ppl. are whisking away at Ortiz because he let them down. Ortiz was groomed to be the next big thing. GBP was shoveling Ortiz down our throats, on his way to stardom.
Those of us, who know better, weren't shocked. We were perplexed because nobody expected that kind of outcome and behavoir.
Jarule, unlike other sports, boxing is an unforgiven sport, not only does it test a fighter's courage, skills, determination, confidence but also his will. Once a fighter's will is broken down, that's when we get to know his true identity. Ortiz stated, that he won't lay down for anyone. Not a statement of a true warrior.
There were too many unanswered questions coming into this fight, besides I'm for one, didn't know much about Maidana, except for his bout with Kotelnik. He proved to be one tough SOB.
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Re: Do you think Victor Ortiz is ready to be boxing's next star?
Jul 3, 2009 6:54 PM
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Ortiz might not have the best of chins anyway
because his face gave him away as visibly affected
even before the worst of it after round two.....I
missed the first two rounds. The best ones of course.
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Re: Do you think Victor Ortiz is ready to be boxing's next star?
Jul 3, 2009 6:47 PM
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> > Had Ortiz boxed
> > Maidana, the correct way, instead of brawling,
> he
> > would've walked away with the win. He was
> fighting
> > with an experienced, tough guy.
> >
>
> Yeah the brawling didn't last long once he began
> getting hit with those rights.
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> RIP Alexis Arguello
Oddly, Otiz really did his best work on the inside...his shots were shorter, and Maidana struggled to see that right hook coming...and it dropped him a bunch. He eventually did the smart thing and tied up...and fought on the outside more. Ortiz had crap footwork. Maidana had him lined up for the right hand because of it. If Ortiz were to have stayed outside, boxing, with his lead foot inside Maidana's like it was, he probably would have ended up getting KOd anyway. I was surprised at how easy it was for Maidana to step left and throw his right hand down the pike.
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Re: Do you think Victor Ortiz is ready to be boxing's next star?
Jul 3, 2009 6:40 PM
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> > Had Ortiz boxed
> > Maidana, the correct way, instead of brawling,
> he
> > would've walked away with the win. He was
> fighting
> > with an experienced, tough guy.
> >
>
> Yeah the brawling didn't last long once he began
> getting hit with those rights.
>
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> RIP Alexis Arguello
That's for sure. 
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Re: Do you think Victor Ortiz is ready to be boxing's next star?
Jul 3, 2009 3:23 PM
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> Had Ortiz boxed
> Maidana, the correct way, instead of brawling, he
> would've walked away with the win. He was fighting
> with an experienced, tough guy.
>
Yeah the brawling didn't last long once he began
getting hit with those rights.
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Re: Do you think Victor Ortiz is ready to be boxing's next star?
Jul 3, 2009 2:42 PM
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> > I think some of you are getting too caught up
> in
> > Ortiz quitting. Off the top of my head, I can
> think
> > of two of current best on boxing that have quit
> in
> > fights, and have comeback to be successful and
> > display great heart. Vitali Klitschko, who in
> my
> > opinion is the best heavyweight in the world,
> quit
> > against Chris Byrd. For three years, Vitali was
> > blasted by boxing insiders for not having heart.
> But,
> > when given the opportunity to dig down deep
> again, he
> > put on one of the guttiest performances that
> I've
> > seen in his bid for the heavyweight title
> against
> > Lennox Lewis. Then you have Miguel Cotto. As we
> all
> > know, he submitted in his fight with Margarito.
> Now,
> > we'll never know if Margarito was fighting with
> an
> > unfair advantage, but to the point I'm trying to
> make
> > its irrelevant. In Cotto's most recent fight
> against
> > Clottey, those picking Clottey were mostly doing
> so
> > because they felt he could make Cotto submit
> again.
> > But, when Cotto was faced with a situation that
> he
> > could have easily backed out of, he manned up,
> and
> > gutted out a tough win. Now, does Ortiz have
> the
> > ability to be as good as Vitali or Cotto, I
> don't
> > know. But, three days after his "No Mas"
> moment,
> > Ortiz is learning just like Vitali and Cotto
> did. Its
> > a lot easier not to quit than it is to quit.
> Because
> > what he's living with now, and the way he's
> being
> > hammered, is far worse than the moment in that
> fight
> > where he felt like he couldn't take any more. I
> for
> > one hopes that he rebounds from this and become
> as
> > good a fighter as he can possiblely be.
> >
> > Hit, People keep forgetting who uttered that
> phrase
> > "No Mas". Yes, that guy quit, but damn, he came
> back
> > and became one of the All Time Greats. I hope
> > "Vanquished" Victor will learn a lot from this
> > Legendary boxing figure. He's young. I hope
> he'll
> > mature enough and outgrow his childish attitude
> > toward boxing.
>
> duran never quit due to getting punched. he loved
> it. He never said I have to be able to speak when
> hegets older,.
>
> Duran quit because SRL wouldn't brawl with him, noit
> because SRL was brawling with him and hitting him. 2
> different stories there. And duran was already great
> when he did that. HE was already cinsidered one of
> the all time greats.
>
>
> he felt no shame in it. he just said eff you to SRL
> and whoever had a problem with it. Basically he felt
> he had nothing to prove.
>
> the kid is young, he is mentally not even a man yet:
> 22 is still a baby. he may overcome it, but he has
> to change that attitude,. people are not going to
> shell out money to have him quit and talk about brain
> stuttering. he is the wrong business.
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> I came
> I saw
> and I conquered
Very good points, but Duran's quitting still counts the same or even worse...being mentally destroyed like that by Sugar...showing no skill or savvy to adjust and impose one's will, and saying, F you to the fans and the opponent...Duran was one of the best and greatest fighters who ever did it, and he will be remembered as such, but "No Mas," is still permanently etched on his record...and I am sure he regrets it. I always likened quitting like that to hitting the re-set button while playing a video game...rather than take the bad loss like a grown dude, you just go, f this...RE-SET! LOL
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