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HBO Sports presents two championship fights on the Boardwalk when WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP BOXING: KELLY PAVLIK VS. GARY LOCKETT AND DANIEL PONCE DE LEON VS. JUAN MANUEL LOPEZ is seen live SATURDAY, JUNE 7 (9:35 p.m. ET/6:35 p.m. PT) from The Boardwalk Hall in Atlantic City, exclusively on HBO. Discuss this fight here
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Re: WCB: June 7, 2008: Pavlik vs. Lockett, De Leon vs. Lopez
Jul 6, 2008 6:19 PM
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you kno i was a big fan of gerald mclellan....i went to the military and some how i lost touch on what he was doing...anyways last i heard was he fought some guy named nigel benn and he was put in the hospital...well i was scrolling through youtube and i saw the after results...i felt really bad for the guy he was a great fighter in his own right he fought alot like tommy hearns....i cant believe that that happened to him...he is mentally disabled now... i guess cause of all those wars he went through.....with julian jackson and this nigel guy that seemed to be a great fighter too..wow i just cant believe that..its crazy
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Re: WCB: June 7, 2008: Pavlik vs. Lockett, De Leon vs. Lopez
Jul 6, 2008 6:09 PM
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well he better get ready for a whole bowls worth cause pavlik aint no joke.................
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Re: WCB: June 7, 2008: Pavlik vs. Lockett, De Leon vs. Lopez
Jul 6, 2008 4:34 PM
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Williams liked the taste of defeat so much he's just dying to have another taste.
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Re: WCB: June 7, 2008: Pavlik vs. Lockett, De Leon vs. Lopez
Jul 6, 2008 3:41 PM
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that would be williams best bet....pavlik is too much for anyone in middleweight let alone a ww............
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Re: WCB: June 7, 2008: Pavlik vs. Lockett, De Leon vs. Lopez
Jul 6, 2008 2:12 PM
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I'd rather see Williams fight the winner of Cotto/Margarito before moving up. He should go to 154 too before going up to get KOd by Pavlik at 160.
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Re: WCB: June 7, 2008: Pavlik vs. Lockett, De Leon vs. Lopez
Jul 6, 2008 11:41 AM
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> > I think williams is in the division he should be
> in,
> > but he should have had a few MW fights before
> Pavlik.
> >
> >
> > But that is not where the money is. I don't
> think
> > Williams will be seen in the WW again.
> >
> >
> > I won't give pavlik a lot of credit for
> beating
> > Williams though, if he does in fact win. i am
> sure
> > he will be pumped up if he does win. It is a
> common
> > pathway nowadays. beat a smaller guy and call
> > yourself the best in world P4P>
> > --
> > I came
> > I saw
> > and I conquered
> >
> > --
> > Edited by cargilb1 at 07/05/2008 3:18 PM PDT
> >
> > --
> > Edited by cargilb1 at 07/05/2008 3:19 PM PDT
>
> My how predictable you've become my friend.
consistency is a great attribute to have.
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Re: WCB: June 7, 2008: Pavlik vs. Lockett, De Leon vs. Lopez
Jul 6, 2008 5:06 AM
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> > I did think It was odd that suddenly when
> Mayweather
> > announced his retirement suddenly other stars
> began
> > to shine brighter...anyone else find that
> weird.
> >
> > --
> > Do you smell what Barack is cookin?
> >
> > tan.the.man24@hotmail.com
>
> Never said he wasn't an ass. But, cuz was a hell of
> a fighter.
Very true I think it is because of that the most fighters now are trying to make a statement for themselves in his absence. first you got fighters like Juan Manuel Lopez coming in and shining against Daniel Ponce De Leon. Then you got Williams Making his statement against Quintana. Then Berto and Pacquiao giving back to back clinics although I think Diaz got fucked up a lot worse then Rodriguez.
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Re: WCB: June 7, 2008: Pavlik vs. Lockett, De Leon vs. Lopez
Jul 6, 2008 4:55 AM
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> I did think It was odd that suddenly when Mayweather
> announced his retirement suddenly other stars began
> to shine brighter...anyone else find that weird.
>
> --
> Do you smell what Barack is cookin?
>
> tan.the.man24@hotmail.com
Never said he wasn't an ass. But, cuz was a hell of a fighter.
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Re: WCB: June 7, 2008: Pavlik vs. Lockett, De Leon vs. Lopez
Jul 6, 2008 4:52 AM
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I did think It was odd that suddenly when Mayweather announced his retirement suddenly other stars began to shine brighter...anyone else find that weird.
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Re: WCB: June 7, 2008: Pavlik vs. Lockett, De Leon vs. Lopez
Jul 6, 2008 4:39 AM
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> > If you remember the Pavlik-Taylor fights,
> you'll
> > remember Pavlik had problems everytime Taylor
> would
> > throw punches in bunches. I think Pavlik would
> hvae
> > problems aganist Williams, but I just don't
> think
> > Williams has the pop to hold Pavlik off for
> twelve
> > rounds.
>
> You'll get no argument from me there. Even If
> Williams managed to bank most early rounds like he
> did against Margarito. He could easily get ahead on
> points. However Margarito started to walk him down
> later and I think the same would happen here but the
> outcome could be far worse...or the same. This year
> is on the the verge of setting a record for most
> upsets in a single year.
>
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> Do you smell what Barack is cookin?
>
> tan.the.man24@hotmail.com
Yep yep
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Re: WCB: June 7, 2008: Pavlik vs. Lockett, De Leon vs. Lopez
Jul 6, 2008 4:23 AM
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> If you remember the Pavlik-Taylor fights, you'll
> remember Pavlik had problems everytime Taylor would
> throw punches in bunches. I think Pavlik would hvae
> problems aganist Williams, but I just don't think
> Williams has the pop to hold Pavlik off for twelve
> rounds.
You'll get no argument from me there. Even If Williams managed to bank most early rounds like he did against Margarito. He could easily get ahead on points. However Margarito started to walk him down later and I think the same would happen here but the outcome could be far worse...or the same. This year is on the the verge of setting a record for most upsets in a single year.
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Re: WCB: June 7, 2008: Pavlik vs. Lockett, De Leon vs. Lopez
Jul 6, 2008 4:10 AM
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> > If Paul Williams winds up fighting Kelly Pavlik,
> I
> > have to commend him on his courage. But
> Williams
> > simply doesn't have the power to hold off Pavlik
> nor
> > the legs and movement to box him effectively.
> Think
> > about it even if you don't consider this a
> valid
> > comparison. Would any of you give Paul Williams
> a
> > chance against Jermain Taylor? Pavlik would
> corner or
> > trap Williams and catch him with fight ending
> > combinations. He could not escape the pressure
> Pavlik
> > would apply, and he doesn't have the fire power
> to
> > survive and win.
>
> If and only If he can keep a high percentage of
> punches does he have a shot. Lets not forget Pavlik
> throws alot of leather 2. I actually give Williams a
> shot against Taylor. Taylor is strong but not a high
> volume puncher. Because he takes so long waiting to
> land big shots not to mention he drops his left all
> the way down leaving him open for William's right
> hook. Williams with his high volume punches could
> simply have let Taylor corner himself like he did
> against Winky and then throw 10 or 12 punches and
> land them right on his eye. Pavlik is a different
> story. Williams has the reach and speed and is about
> as tall as Kelly but that is about it. I would rate
> him among the best fighters P4P if he managed to
> visibly beat Pavlik or even somehow KO him but I
> don't see it.
>
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> Do you smell what Barack is cookin?
>
> tan.the.man24@hotmail.com
If you remember the Pavlik-Taylor fights, you'll remember Pavlik had problems everytime Taylor would throw punches in bunches. I think Pavlik would hvae problems aganist Williams, but I just don't think Williams has the pop to hold Pavlik off for twelve rounds.
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Re: WCB: June 7, 2008: Pavlik vs. Lockett, De Leon vs. Lopez
Jul 6, 2008 4:07 AM
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> If Paul Williams winds up fighting Kelly Pavlik, I
> have to commend him on his courage. But Williams
> simply doesn't have the power to hold off Pavlik nor
> the legs and movement to box him effectively. Think
> about it even if you don't consider this a valid
> comparison. Would any of you give Paul Williams a
> chance against Jermain Taylor? Pavlik would corner or
> trap Williams and catch him with fight ending
> combinations. He could not escape the pressure Pavlik
> would apply, and he doesn't have the fire power to
> survive and win.
If and only If he can keep a high percentage of punches does he have a shot. Lets not forget Pavlik throws alot of leather 2. I actually give Williams a shot against Taylor. Taylor is strong but not a high volume puncher. Because he takes so long waiting to land big shots not to mention he drops his left all the way down leaving him open for William's right hook. Williams with his high volume punches could simply have let Taylor corner himself like he did against Winky and then throw 10 or 12 punches and land them right on his eye. Pavlik is a different story. Williams has the reach and speed and is about as tall as Kelly but that is about it. I would rate him among the best fighters P4P if he managed to visibly beat Pavlik or even somehow KO him but I don't see it.
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