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I noticed how popular Marciano the greatest ever thread was, so I was wanting to know who the members feel were the greatest ever starting out in the lower weight divisions, I know there are many of these, but let's see what everyone comes up with. Make a list if you'd like starting with the lowest divisions and let's see how these discussions go!
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Re: Best fighters ever from lower weight classes
Nov 14, 2009 1:35 PM
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Sugar Ray Robinson
Thomas Hearns
Carmen Basilio
Sugar Ray Leonard
floyd mayweather jr
Pernell Whitaker
Shane Mosley
Roberto Duran
Felix Trinidad
oscar dela hoya
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Re: Best fighters ever from lower weight classes
Nov 3, 2009 2:48 AM
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tszyunami, you're going to have to do the speculating
on the bantamweights and flyweights. I'm surprised
that nobody has offered their picks at bantamweight.
I figured that surely some well read boxing fan would
pick up the slack for me in here at those weights.
Saddler had over 100 KOs at featherweight, just
behind Archie Moore and Young Stribling, if I remember
correctly.That would put him at third according to Nat
Fleischer's old "Ring Magazine".
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Re: Best fighters ever from lower weight classes
Nov 3, 2009 2:33 AM
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I don't see Jimmy Wilde aka The Mighty Atom getting any love here! 
137-5 lifetime record with 99 knockouts. Voted greatest flyweight of all-time by Ring Magazine and also voted third best puncher of all-time by Ring as well. Come on now, give it up for the Wilde Man! 
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Re: Best fighters ever from lower weight classes
Nov 3, 2009 1:28 AM
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> Thanks Jim for the lists, you did a great job with
> them, I happen to agree with leaving De La Hoya off,
> since you mentioned you listed them in no particular
> order, if you could pick a number 1 from each class
> that you mentioned who would you put at the top of
> each or is that what you already did?
I guess Sandy Saddler at featherweight
I think, from the only legit fight that I've seen
Joe Gans on video in that he beats Duran at
lightweight and I'd bet on Mayweather to get
by Duran as well at 135 but the records of
accomplishment clearly favor Duran and Benny
Leonard at 135.....both had Ray Arcel in their
corner and he believed in records of accomplishment.
Armstrong also rivals their record at 135 but I'm
not so sure he would get by with using his head
to push into an opponent nowadays....also have
to consider that Gans fought under entirely different
rules at the turn of the century with 25 rounds and
much more infighting allowed then.....Gans was still a
one punch KO capable fighter in any round with great
defensive skills for those rules according to the old
farts when I was a young fart.
Ray Robinson is the all time welterweight king of coarse.
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Re: Best fighters ever from lower weight classes
Oct 31, 2009 3:05 PM
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I don't know history's Flyweights & Bantamweights
> well enough to compile any knowledgeable list at
> those weights. I've always deemed featherweight
> through welterweight classes as the most
> competitive in boxing with worldwide talent.
>
> My top ten Featherweights in no particular order
>
> Henry Armstrong
> Alexis Arguello
> Manny Pacquiao
> Sandy Saddler
> Willie Pep
> Juan Manuel Marquez
> Salvador Sanchez
> Azumah Nelson
> Kid Chocolate
> Abe Attell
>
> My top ten Lightweights in no particular order
>
> Joe Gans
> Pernell Whitaker
> Roberto Duran
> Benny Leonard
> Henry Armstrong
> Floyd Mayweather Jr
> Shane Mosley
> Ike Williams
> Alexis Arguello
> Julio Cesar Chavez
>
> Honorable mention has to go to Aaron Pryor
> who actually was a lightweight who couldn't
> get a title shot in that division.....Any way
> you want to stack 'em Aaron Pryor goes
> down as great at 140 lbs.
>
> Also edged out was Tony Canzoneri.
>
> My top ten Welterweights in no particular order
>
> Sugar Ray Robinson
> Thomas Hearns
> Carmen Basilio
> Sugar Ray Leonard
> Jose Napoles
> Pernell Whitaker
> Shane Mosley
> Roberto Duran
> Felix Trinidad
> Wilfredo Benitez
>
> And just edged out of that ten were Henry
> Armstrong and Barney Ross. >
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> Edited by JimEarl at 10/26/2009 7:15 PM PDT
I like the list Jim. You be making me wanna go to the archives to look some of these dudes I never heard about. No Bantamweights tho? I thought they were one of the legit weightclasses from the original 8 weren't they?
Impressive list Jim Earl. Got just two Great Bantams to name; Wilfredo Gomez & Orlando Canizales. Am not sure if he's a Flyweight though, Filipino champ named Pancho Villa.
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Re: Best fighters ever from lower weight classes
Oct 31, 2009 9:37 AM
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Thanks Jim for the lists, you did a great job with them, I happen to agree with leaving De La Hoya off, since you mentioned you listed them in no particular order, if you could pick a number 1 from each class that you mentioned who would you put at the top of each or is that what you already did?
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Re: Best fighters ever from lower weight classes
Oct 30, 2009 10:37 PM
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>
> I like the list Jim. You be making me wanna go to the
> archives to look some of these dudes I never heard
> about. No Bantamweights tho? I thought they were one
> of the legit weightclasses from the original 8
> weren't they?
I like a lot of the bantamweights that I've grown
up with but I don't know History's bantamweights
so well. I know a lot of history's featherweights,
lightweights and welterweights from following
careers of some of the depression era fighters
who fought in Homicide Hank Armstrong's era
as well as Benny Leonard's era in the '20s.
As for the great Joe Gans (not to be confused
with "Panama Joe Gans" who came later):
He was a subject of out and out hero worship
by Ring Magazine's late editor Nat Fleischer whom
I grew up reading quite a bit. I've always been
fascinated by Gans and think that his biography
would make a great documentary or even a
docudrama....but alas his story has been
overshadowed by interest in the first black
heavyweight champion Jack Johnson and
the legacy of the fixed Joe Gans / Terry McGovern
fight was erroneously attributed to the
Johnson / Willard fight in a docudrama about
his life.....and that fight was probably on the level.
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Re: Best fighters ever from lower weight classes
Oct 30, 2009 10:11 PM
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> I don't know history's Flyweights & Bantamweights
> well enough to compile any knowledgeable list at
> those weights. I've always deemed featherweight
> through welterweight classes as the most
> competitive in boxing with worldwide talent.
>
> My top ten Featherweights in no particular order
>
> Henry Armstrong
> Alexis Arguello
> Manny Pacquiao
> Sandy Saddler
> Willie Pep
> Juan Manuel Marquez
> Salvador Sanchez
> Azumah Nelson
> Kid Chocolate
> Abe Attell
>
> My top ten Lightweights in no particular order
>
> Joe Gans
> Pernell Whitaker
> Roberto Duran
> Benny Leonard
> Henry Armstrong
> Floyd Mayweather Jr
> Shane Mosley
> Ike Williams
> Alexis Arguello
> Julio Cesar Chavez
>
> Honorable mention has to go to Aaron Pryor
> who actually was a lightweight who couldn't
> get a title shot in that division.....Any way
> you want to stack 'em Aaron Pryor goes
> down as great at 140 lbs.
>
> Also edged out was Tony Canzoneri.
>
> My top ten Welterweights in no particular order
>
> Sugar Ray Robinson
> Thomas Hearns
> Carmen Basilio
> Sugar Ray Leonard
> Jose Napoles
> Pernell Whitaker
> Shane Mosley
> Roberto Duran
> Felix Trinidad
> Wilfredo Benitez
>
> And just edged out of that ten were Henry
> Armstrong and Barney Ross.
>
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> Edited by JimEarl at 10/26/2009 7:15 PM PDT
I must say that this list is pretty impeccable. Wild that the Golden Boy is NOT on any list, but I hate to admit it, but that's probably correct.
http://www.fightinsight.com/2009/10/27/expect-a-bumpy-road-for-glen-johnson-when-he-visits-chad-dawson-in-connecticut/
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Re: Best fighters ever from lower weight classes
Oct 30, 2009 9:25 AM
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> I don't know history's Flyweights & Bantamweights
> well enough to compile any knowledgeable list at
> those weights. I've always deemed featherweight
> through welterweight classes as the most
> competitive in boxing with worldwide talent.
>
> My top ten Featherweights in no particular order
>
> Henry Armstrong
> Alexis Arguello
> Manny Pacquiao
> Sandy Saddler
> Willie Pep
> Juan Manuel Marquez
> Salvador Sanchez
> Azumah Nelson
> Kid Chocolate
> Abe Attell
>
> My top ten Lightweights in no particular order
>
> Joe Gans
> Pernell Whitaker
> Roberto Duran
> Benny Leonard
> Henry Armstrong
> Floyd Mayweather Jr
> Shane Mosley
> Ike Williams
> Alexis Arguello
> Julio Cesar Chavez
>
> Honorable mention has to go to Aaron Pryor
> who actually was a lightweight who couldn't
> get a title shot in that division.....Any way
> you want to stack 'em Aaron Pryor goes
> down as great at 140 lbs.
>
> Also edged out was Tony Canzoneri.
>
> My top ten Welterweights in no particular order
>
> Sugar Ray Robinson
> Thomas Hearns
> Carmen Basilio
> Sugar Ray Leonard
> Jose Napoles
> Pernell Whitaker
> Shane Mosley
> Roberto Duran
> Felix Trinidad
> Wilfredo Benitez
>
> And just edged out of that ten were Henry
> Armstrong and Barney Ross.
>
> --
> Edited by JimEarl at 10/26/2009 7:15 PM PDT
I like the list Jim. You be making me wanna go to the archives to look some of these dudes I never heard about. No Bantamweights tho? I thought they were one of the legit weightclasses from the original 8 weren't they?
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Re: Best fighters ever from lower weight classes
Oct 27, 2009 10:07 PM
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> there was a thread on marciano? damn when was that?
> haha
That's over in the members threads
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Re: Best fighters ever from lower weight classes
Oct 27, 2009 3:58 PM
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there was a thread on marciano? damn when was that? haha
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Re: Best fighters ever from lower weight classes
Oct 26, 2009 9:38 PM
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I don't know history's Flyweights & Bantamweights
well enough to compile any knowledgeable list at
those weights. I've always deemed featherweight
through welterweight classes as the most
competitive in boxing with worldwide talent.
My top ten Featherweights in no particular order
Henry Armstrong
Alexis Arguello
Manny Pacquiao
Sandy Saddler
Willie Pep
Juan Manuel Marquez
Salvador Sanchez
Azumah Nelson
Kid Chocolate
Abe Attell
My top ten Lightweights in no particular order
Joe Gans
Pernell Whitaker
Roberto Duran
Benny Leonard
Henry Armstrong
Floyd Mayweather Jr
Shane Mosley
Ike Williams
Alexis Arguello
Julio Cesar Chavez
Honorable mention has to go to Aaron Pryor
who actually was a lightweight who couldn't
get a title shot in that division.....Any way
you want to stack 'em Aaron Pryor goes
down as great at 140 lbs.
Also edged out was Tony Canzoneri.
My top ten Welterweights in no particular order
Sugar Ray Robinson
Thomas Hearns
Carmen Basilio
Sugar Ray Leonard
Jose Napoles
Pernell Whitaker
Shane Mosley
Roberto Duran
Felix Trinidad
Wilfredo Benitez
And just edged out of that ten were Henry
Armstrong and Barney Ross.
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Oct 26, 2009 5:02 PM
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I noticed how popular Marciano the greatest ever thread was, so I was wanting to know who the members feel were the greatest ever starting out in the lower weight divisions, I know there are many of these, but let's see what everyone comes up with. Make a list if you'd like starting with the lowest divisions and let's see how these discussions go!
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