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Reading about the tribute to Mando Ramos who passed away July 6, just weeks after being inducted into the Hall of Fame. He started young, 17 I think, but was out of the sport by the time he was 26 due to substance abuse problems.
It got me curious how many promising careers were cut short, not due to substance abuse problems, but for any reason.
Who are some of the young promising boxers you think of that disappeared too soon in your opinion?
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Re: Careers that ended too soon
Oct 7, 2008 11:04 AM
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aint that the truth. i cant even remember how many times simon brown got flattened when he shouda already done been retired. you know?
dougefresh is right too. i cant think of any other welter who coulda beat hearns on that fateful night in 1981. well except for cotto hahahahahaha. ok but seriously the point is that ray fought hearns instead of picking someone else and acting like he could make one dollar more just to get out of fightint hearns. today's little crew of pretenders is pathetic aint it?
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Re: Careers that ended too soon
Oct 7, 2008 1:23 AM
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Some boxers careers don't end soon enough.
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Re: Careers that ended too soon
Oct 6, 2008 10:09 PM
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Realistically speaking, the only reason Hearns is not ahead of ray in the all time rankings is because of ray. No other welterweight at that time could have came close to even staying in the ring with Tommy.
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Re: Careers that ended too soon
Oct 5, 2008 1:58 PM
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ray's a legend no doubt about it. it was shocking to see him come back and do so well against hagler and it was that suprise that allowed him to, as some say steal that fight. i always said that it was a close fight no matter who you like in it and if only guerra had scored the fight a one point margin either way we wouldnt be calling it a controversy like it is now. the fact that everyone figured ray to be stopped added to ray's advantage on the cards but like i said it was a close fight either way. my point about ray being dirty is that if only steele had been a real ref and took a point at any point in that fight, ray wouldn't have been so dirty and imo, he woulda been stopped. what you probably don't know since i havent heard anyone mention it here is that ray actually collapsed on his way back to his corner immediately after the final bell and his team had to pick him up and help him back to the corner. imo he wasnt hurt but exhausted and when i say that ray fought the perfect fight he could against hagler, that means that he needed every bit of low blows, holding and holding and hitting that the did just to make it to the final bell. now we got at least a few here who say they done been to every fight so if the have, let them come on and tell us about that part immediately after the fight. the idea that marvin shouda done more, well honestly he was an aging fighter who had been getting injured more and more to the point that he was only fighting once a year. i'm a hagler fan too but there was a point in the early to middle rounds where he just looked so slow and old. perhaps hagler fans including myself just have to wonder if maybe old marvin couldnt do much more than he did. it's highly aggravating to a fightfan like me to have a judge like guerra make this into more of a controversy than it is and a ref like steele to allow dirty fighting to affect the outcome of a fight between two legends.
like i said i'm a ray fan but i have to honest and say that when he came back from retirement he was such a main attraction that he no longer fought everyone but picked his opponents like oscar has been doing. before he retired, he really fought everyone at 147. can you imagine the welter top 10 right now all moving up to 154 to stay the hell away from hearns? whenever someone compares hearns to williams just because they tall it's hilarious. hearns woulda ruined williams inside 2 easy.
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Re: Careers that ended too soon
Oct 5, 2008 1:02 PM
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Okay Ray had a nasty side to him yes but I would not call him dirty. The fact that he would do something a little less than desirable made him an attraction to all types of boxing fans. He could slug, box, or get nasty when he had to.
Leonard beat Hearns in fight 1 and the draw is very questionable at best. I am a Ray fan and glad he got the draw but Tommy probably won that fight.
Leonard got the decision against Hagler cause he stayed on his feet and flurried at times to impress the fans and judges. He did hit Marvin low with the bolo punch and he did hold alot but he did fight alot too. Moved like A much younger Ray in that fight and did much better than most thought he would. Fight could have went either way. Fact of the matter is Hagler being the middleweight and much stronger fighter should have done all he could do avoid leaving any doubt. Hagler seemed bent on proving he could outbox Ray. Not a chance for that to happen.
Ray was great and there is no debating that... He fought everyone who wanted some and fought like a champ with heart and pride.
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Re: Careers that ended too soon
Oct 2, 2008 6:17 PM
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your right billy, it was his hip.
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Re: Careers that ended too soon
Oct 2, 2008 5:07 PM
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Alright nice talkn 2 u 2-I'm on vacation again-so I better get back 2 Sanford and Son.
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Re: Careers that ended too soon
Oct 2, 2008 4:21 PM
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i fanatically agree with you mann. if they was to put out dvd's like chacon-boza edwards 2 and make them available at walmart target and bestbuy, i believe boxing would gain and regain fightfan following. otherwise right now there's wrestling an ufc filling up the shelves. that's promotion in itself and there might be one or two ali documentaries off to the side. i think that's part of the reason why boxing may be declining marketwise. as i get older and this game at least seems like its drying up i begin to ax myself more often whether we should hope for resurrection or, knowing the risks of tragic injury (mainly the neurological), just be happy with the amazing and truly astonishing moments we've had to enjoy and let the game pass on if it should. I'M RAMBLIN AGAIN. SORRY. NICE CHATTIN I BETTER GET BACK TO WORK
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Re: Careers that ended too soon
Oct 2, 2008 3:57 PM
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a friend of mine rented the tape from a video store and I borrowed it from him a couple of years ago. Leonard vs Hearns 1 & 2 so I'm truely happy 2 be an owner of 2 classic fights. This is what I was sayn last month-you can go 2 a Walmart, PX video stores and get ufc and mma, but I haven't seen boxing matches 4 sale in a store in a while.
All you see is documentary's-that's fine-but I just want 2 see the fights. Like hbo 4 instance-why do we always have 2 see clips of the old classics-I don't wan see clips of Tito vs Oscar-I want 2 see the whole fight-I don't want 2 see clips of Chavez vs Taylor I want 2 see the whole fight.
Espn only show the 2nd Prior vs Arguelo fight-show the 1st once in a while. Did Holfield vs Tyson, Lewis vs Grant, Jackson vs McCellan 1 & 2, Ali vs Norton, Chavez vs Haugen, Norris vs anybody wound up lost. We have HOF fighters like Ricardo Lopez that fought on King undercards that average fans didn't know about-well we need a classic boxing on demand channel. Classic 60's, 70's, 80's, 90 and so 4th. They need 2 switch it up 2 and not always show the same shit, boxing needs a classic on demand channel.
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Re: Careers that ended too soon
Oct 2, 2008 3:37 PM
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mann do you got the leonard hearns saga tape? that's the one they gotta put out on dvd. both the full fights, two of the best in history throwing down. awesome fights and fighters no matter how you spin it. somebody once copied it for me but even the copy i got has a copy block. aint that a b?
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Re: Careers that ended too soon
Oct 2, 2008 3:20 PM
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This is my 1st time hearing Ray was dirty-look, let me go check out the Hearns rematch. Maybe he was hittn on the break, right now all I'm san is this is my 1st time hearing he was dirty. When I was younger I was glad Ray got a draw w/Hearns and I know a few that believed he won, but now that I'm grown-I would say Hearns won, but the shit was still close. I'm not that much of a fan 2 the point of being blind. You made some good points-I'll check my old tape then come back 2 it.
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Re: Careers that ended too soon
Oct 2, 2008 3:06 PM
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i'm a fan of both which is how i know how dirty ray is. rays a great fighter and he always found a way but if he had to play it fair, we wouldn't be talking about him right now. imo he beat hearns in the first fight fair and that was a tremedous show of heart and determination. but in the second fight with hearns he hit hearns on the break repeatedly. a good ref will take points if warnings dont stop the dirty fighting and somehow by coincidence, steele was the ref of hearns-leonard 2 as well as leonard-hagler. you're a ray fan who probably wasnt even around when ray was coming up. am i right? that's okay with me. we're both fight fans but if you're a big ray fan dont get it twisted and think i didn't watch ray coming up. remember or did you ever see when ray dropped bruce finch and finch was on his knees leaning backward with his mouth open trying to recover? hilarious. not for finch but for the spectators it was hilarious.
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Re: Careers that ended too soon
Oct 2, 2008 2:50 PM
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Oh yeah-and unlike most on this site-I watched it live-then watched the replay and then read the papers
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Re: Careers that ended too soon
Oct 2, 2008 2:48 PM
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I understand now-you're a fan of Hagler and you're down playn Leonard 2 get your point across. 1 more thing I understand is none of the so called boxing experts expect Leonard 2 see round 10. I read some didn't even expect him to see round 5. Anyway-he was a heavy underdog and he still won the fight-I understand this 2-and new champion of the world Sugar Ray Leonard.
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Re: Careers that ended too soon
Oct 2, 2008 2:41 PM
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of course prime ali woulda beat prime holmes and hopkins beat jt twice. do you watch fights or just read the papers? one day maybe you'll understand.
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