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Who do you think are some of the more durable fighters - past and present? And what constitutes durability in your eyes?
Anyone you thought would be a long-lasting fighter but for whatever reason his career ended before you thought it would have?
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Re: Most durable fighters?
Oct 3, 2009 8:57 AM
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Henry Armstrong, Marvin Hagler, Rocky Marciano, Wilfredo Gomez, Alexis Arguello, Rafel Marquez, Juan Manuel Marquez, Micky Ward, Gerry Peñalosa...and a lot more.
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Re: Most durable fighters?
Oct 1, 2009 6:01 PM
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darrendcruz:
your welcome bro. yeah you definately should read it, i read the book then saw the movie with de niro unbelieveable! i saw a bunch of his fights and became a big fan then when you learn about his personal life you ralize he was a fucking asshole as a young guy haha he was a terrible person but he changed thankfully. yeah i dont know how people could not like gene tunney he was great. the best self taught badass there was haha. what? haha holy shit i didnt know that about conn. haha
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Re: Most durable fighters?
Sep 29, 2009 1:21 PM
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No, I wouldn't consider Gatti as durable. He was completely ring worn by the time he got to ODLH. Ray Leonard was definitely durable. 160 amateur bouts, plus all the wars; nearly 15 rounds against Benitez, 14 rounds against Hearns (vs. Hearns I), 15 rounds with Duran (vs. Duran I). After all those wars he still had the legs to run from Hagler. I definitely consider Hopkins to be durable, just by virtue of his longevity; the old master has shown his durability against father time. Incidentally, like most fight-fans I consider Archie Moore to be more durable than Hopkins.
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Re: Most durable fighters?
Sep 29, 2009 11:37 AM
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> Durability is the ability to absorb a large number of
> punches, and still have longevity. Leonard absorbed a
> savage fifteen round beating from Duran in Montreal,
> and still went on to have a successful career from
> that point onwards. Durability is also the ability to
> take a lickin' and keep on tickin'. Some prominent
> examples that come to mind are Marciano vs. Charles
> (nose split in half), Dempsey vs. Gunboat Smith
> (broken ribs), the late Arturo Gatti (R.I.P.) vs.
> Wilson Rodriguez, most Champions from the 40s and
> 50s. In the words of Tyson to Larry Merchant "Those
> fighters, Kid Gavilan, were authentically tough." For
> me, Gene Tunney wins the prize for durability. In his
> first fight (and only Pro loss) to Greb; apparently
> Greb handled Tunney's face like a butcher handling a
> Swiss Steak. Tunney's corner was unable to stem the
> blood flow. Tunney was choking on blood, and
> swallowing two bottles of Adrenaline Chloride
> solution. After the fight, Tunney's face was a
> bloodied, butchered mask; he thanked Greb! Tunney
> went on to beat Greb four times after that.
So B-Hop is not on that list because he is a superb defensive fighter? Give me a break. Thats like saying Barry Sanders wasnt durable because he didnt run like Earl Campbell. Leonard was a great fighter but he retired like 7 times. Its hard for me to put him on a durable list. Great fights yes. Dude You got Arturo Gatti up there. I would say he was tough fighter but I got two words. DeLaHoya, Mayweather....I wont count Gomez at the tale end of career. He barely made it out of those fights with elite comp. Juan Manuel Marquez is durable, Winky Wright, Shane Mosley
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Re: Most durable fighters?
Sep 29, 2009 10:45 AM
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Durable fighter is basically anyone that was trained to go 15 strong rounds for about 100+ fights imo. If my knowledge serves me right Duran was the last one to do that. There are a ton of fights from this era that I woulda loved to see go 15 rounds. So many fighters, (Oscar comes to mind) woulda crumbled in the late rounds.
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Re: Most durable fighters?
Sep 29, 2009 5:02 AM
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adany, thank you for that info. I have Jake La Motta's book 'Raging Bull: My story' sitting on the desk right next to me. I purchased it two years ago, and it is still unread. You have encouraged me to read it now. I have not seen much of La Motta; Ray Robinson before he passed slurred "Jake was a very tough kid....a very tough kid." For La Motta to stand out in those days, he must have indeed been 'a tough kid'. Tunney is still my favourite fighter of all time. I read in Billy Conn's autobiography, that the retired Tunney who was in charge of Navy physical training was unimpressed by Conn's lack of army discipline, so he said that the up and coming Robinson would beat him. Conn offered to fight Robinson in Uncle Mike's office. Robinson said "No. No. Mr Tunney said that." When Conn was in the army, the sergeant enquired, does anyone here think they can lick me. Billy Conn stepped forward. The sergeant was incensed "What's your name soldier!?". Conn replied "Billy Conn, Sir!" Recognising the Light-Heavyweight Champion of the world the sergeant said "Is there anyone here, other than Billy Conn, who thinks he can lick me!?"
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Re: Most durable fighters?
Sep 28, 2009 8:47 PM
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haha and thats exactly why i added tunney to my list. but i think the toughest son of a bitch to ever lace em up was jake la motta. heres a guy who only went down once in 106 bouts between 154 and 175. the lone knockdown to danny nardico at lightheavy weight when jake was past his prime and very shop worn. hes the guy who invented playing possum. he'd just let guys hit him tel they tired out then he'd come back and usually win.
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Re: Most durable fighters?
Sep 28, 2009 6:06 AM
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Durability is the ability to absorb a large number of punches, and still have longevity. Leonard absorbed a savage fifteen round beating from Duran in Montreal, and still went on to have a successful career from that point onwards. Durability is also the ability to take a lickin' and keep on tickin'. Some prominent examples that come to mind are Marciano vs. Charles (nose split in half), Dempsey vs. Gunboat Smith (broken ribs), the late Arturo Gatti (R.I.P.) vs. Wilson Rodriguez, most Champions from the 40s and 50s. In the words of Tyson to Larry Merchant "Those fighters, Kid Gavilan, were authentically tough." For me, Gene Tunney wins the prize for durability. In his first fight (and only Pro loss) to Greb; apparently Greb handled Tunney's face like a butcher handling a Swiss Steak. Tunney's corner was unable to stem the blood flow. Tunney was choking on blood, and swallowing two bottles of Adrenaline Chloride solution. After the fight, Tunney's face was a bloodied, butchered mask; he thanked Greb! Tunney went on to beat Greb four times after that.
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Re: Most durable fighters?
Sep 27, 2009 8:46 PM
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> If your talking about beard, I'd say Marvin Hagler;
> Ali; Mosley; Margarito for quite some time; Bernard
> Hopkins; Vitali Klitschko, James Toney, etc
> etc..........
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> If your talking ability to not be hit: Pernell
> Whitaker, Roy Jones Jr. for a long time, B.Hop, Floyd
> Mayweather, etc.........
really your gonna put ali in there? its obvious your goin all time with this list so why not include the real tough guys like marciano, dempsey, lamotta, basilio, fullmer, zaragosa, greb, tunney, and more modern guys like gatti, chavez, morales, ward haha. im just givin you a hard time bro. mosely, margarito i agree with they both can take one hell of a shot shane looks like he can too with that square ass jaw haha. also out of active fighters carlos baldomir, hes slow crude and not powerful but man is he tough. oh and after what i saw last night add chris arreola into the mix ha.
and you forgot willie pep in your ability to not be hit list
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Re: Most durable fighters?
Sep 25, 2009 7:14 PM
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> If your talking about beard, I'd say Marvin Hagler;
> Ali; Mosley; Margarito for quite some time; Bernard
> Hopkins; Vitali Klitschko, James Toney, etc
> etc..........
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> If your talking ability to not be hit: Pernell
> Whitaker, Roy Jones Jr. for a long time, B.Hop, Floyd
> Mayweather, etc.........
Toney still has a killer D. No one slips shots better. Floyd blocks them well. Toney slips them.
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Re: Most durable fighters?
Sep 25, 2009 6:33 PM
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If your talking about beard, I'd say Marvin Hagler; Ali; Mosley; Margarito for quite some time; Bernard Hopkins; Vitali Klitschko, James Toney, etc etc..........
If your talking ability to not be hit: Pernell Whitaker, Roy Jones Jr. for a long time, B.Hop, Floyd Mayweather, etc.........
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Re: Most durable fighters?
Sep 25, 2009 6:08 PM
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> Hey, all you HATER SPECIAL BREW DRINKING FOOLS check
> this out-lend me your ear so I can yell this-FLOYD VS
> MARQUEZ DID WAY MORE THAN 800,000 PPV buys-yeah
> that's right you fake boxing fans-damn your big head
> idol Pacman-his 2 fights combined didn't match these
> numbers.
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> According to WWW.BOXINGTALK.COM-the fight just might
> top a million. Keep drinking what your drinking and
> smoking what your smoking-they don't call the dude
> money 4 nothing.
dude, why you dislike pacman soo much??!? its not his fault he's soo good...maybe he'll loose his next bout...but he's always been a good sport! give the man a break.
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Re: Most durable fighters?
Sep 25, 2009 6:05 PM
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Businesses never lie about their numbers.
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Re: Most durable fighters?
Sep 25, 2009 1:40 PM
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Hey, all you HATER SPECIAL BREW DRINKING FOOLS check this out-lend me your ear so I can yell this-FLOYD VS MARQUEZ DID WAY MORE THAN 800,000 PPV buys-yeah that's right you fake boxing fans-damn your big head idol Pacman-his 2 fights combined didn't match these numbers.
According to WWW.BOXINGTALK.COM-the fight just might top a million. Keep drinking what your drinking and smoking what your smoking-they don't call the dude money 4 nothing.
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Re: Most durable fighters?
Sep 24, 2009 12:32 PM
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Most durable fighters?
Manny Pacquiao!!!!!
He started as a PRO Boxer at 106lbs and now fighting at 144-147lbs and still wining!!! Well not until he gets in the ring vs Cotto!
Bias fans have denied and belied that Pacman have started as a pro at 106lbs... Its just unbelievable I say!
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Edited by REALspicy at 09/24/2009 9:56 AM PDT
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