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Some fighters always seem to be taking the easy route and others can't get a break no matter what they try. Which fighters haven't won you over as fans because you don't think they face enough quality fighters?
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Re: Which fighters need to take bigger challenges to earn your respect?
Nov 30, 2009 7:04 PM
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> Berto is not as good as people think, he's not as
> good as he's been hyped up to be. He should've lost
> against Collazo, there's a reason that he didn't take
> a rematch with Collazo that the fans really wanted to
> see. I think Mosley will take him out, don't know if
> he'll be able to KO him but if he puts on a display
> like the one he did against AM then there's a definte
> possibility that Berto gets KO'd. Mosley has skill,
> speed and power...many doubt it but Sugar can still
> hit hard, don't believe me ask Mayorga and
> Margarito.
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> People always talk about how Mosley grabs and
> clinches...while he may, he still remains one of the
> top fighters in the WW division because the dude is
> still exciting. I think Mosley UD with a good
> possibility of a KO depending on which Mosley shows
> up.
Berto may be overhyped, but Mosley is overrated in this point in his career too. You people are getting way too caught up in his stoppage of the plasterless Margarito. Its been forgotten that four months prior, Mosley was down on one card and up a point on another heading into the final round against Mayorga. He's still an adequate fighter, but far from a world beater.
Good thing it won't take a world beater. I love how HBO plays the same Berto clip of him landing a counter uppercut, is it the only clip they have?
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Re: Which fighters need to take bigger challenges to earn your respect?
Nov 30, 2009 4:18 PM
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> Berto is not as good as people think, he's not as
> good as he's been hyped up to be. He should've lost
> against Collazo, there's a reason that he didn't take
> a rematch with Collazo that the fans really wanted to
> see. I think Mosley will take him out, don't know if
> he'll be able to KO him but if he puts on a display
> like the one he did against AM then there's a definte
> possibility that Berto gets KO'd. Mosley has skill,
> speed and power...many doubt it but Sugar can still
> hit hard, don't believe me ask Mayorga and
> Margarito.
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> People always talk about how Mosley grabs and
> clinches...while he may, he still remains one of the
> top fighters in the WW division because the dude is
> still exciting. I think Mosley UD with a good
> possibility of a KO depending on which Mosley shows
> up.
Berto may be overhyped, but Mosley is overrated in this point in his career too. You people are getting way too caught up in his stoppage of the plasterless Margarito. Its been forgotten that four months prior, Mosley was down on one card and up a point on another heading into the final round against Mayorga. He's still an adequate fighter, but far from a world beater.
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Re: Which fighters need to take bigger challenges to earn your respect?
Nov 30, 2009 4:10 PM
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Berto is not as good as people think, he's not as good as he's been hyped up to be. He should've lost against Collazo, there's a reason that he didn't take a rematch with Collazo that the fans really wanted to see. I think Mosley will take him out, don't know if he'll be able to KO him but if he puts on a display like the one he did against AM then there's a definte possibility that Berto gets KO'd. Mosley has skill, speed and power...many doubt it but Sugar can still hit hard, don't believe me ask Mayorga and Margarito.
People always talk about how Mosley grabs and clinches...while he may, he still remains one of the top fighters in the WW division because the dude is still exciting. I think Mosley UD with a good possibility of a KO depending on which Mosley shows up.
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Re: Which fighters need to take bigger challenges to earn your respect?
Nov 30, 2009 1:49 AM
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This list can go on and on....but we all know styles make fights so it is NOT a foregone conclusion that Mosley will beat Berto now, is it?
Mosley will beat Berto because Berto is an overhyped club fighter just like Angulo. Just because Jim Lampley tells you Berto is a top level fighter doesn't mean he is. Collazo wiped the floor with him and it wasn't because of a bad style matchup it was because Berto is all hype. Mosley picked Berto because it is an easy win over a popular fighter that will force the Manny/Floyd winner to fight him.
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Re: Which fighters need to take bigger challenges to earn your respect?
Nov 29, 2009 2:56 PM
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> about his baldomir numbers?? if he's the so-called
> ppv king!!
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> as far as mosley being put out of the way by berto..
> we all saw what happened vs collazo.. mosley took
> care of collazo decisively.. adjusted or set
> gameplan, and berto should of lost that fight! so i
> say mosely UD...
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If we use the same reasoning of Mosley beating Collazo and Collazo beating Berto equals to Mosley beating Berto then here's a few scenarios that should HAVE happened:-
- Hopkins should have been DESTROYED by Pavlik becuz Pavlik pulverized Jermaine Taylor and JT had beaten B-Hop.
- Mayorga should have destroyed Mosley because he beat Vernon Forrest who beat Mosley decisively.
- Ricky Hatton should have destroyed Mayweather because Ricky KO'd Castillo who gave Mayweather problems in their first fight.
- Cotto should have KO'd Marga-cheato just like Mosley did since Cotto beat Mosley.
This list can go on and on....but we all know styles make fights so it is NOT a foregone conclusion that Mosley will beat Berto now, is it?
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Re: Which fighters need to take bigger challenges to earn your respect?
Nov 29, 2009 11:37 AM
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Let me tell you all like this Andre ward is first in the list, second Jonathan Banks, Ed perry , Craig Baker; trust the list goes on. All I got to say is if these guys and others out there think they are the best why are they scared to get into the ring. For example there is this fighter rommel tank rene this cat is a DESTROYER, straight killer and I read their message on you tube that they cant get people to get in the ring with him. here read it for yourself : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WKA4VzNjGA
I've been following this guy for a while and I read on hi manager/agent twitter page
http://twitter.com/Armonelli
That they got a big announcement coming this week in connection to a current cruiser title holder. I have read his tweets and personally I think its about Andre Ward. But all I know it check this guy out and you see if he is the real deal and check out his managers tweets and you will see what I see.
I know as I watched the fight Andre Ward was getting away with a lot of shady moves that even the commentators questions how was the ref letting all the holding go on. also he is from oakland one of the judge was from oakland and I heard that they were trying to have an oakland ref. so you be the judge. LOL..
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Re: Which fighters need to take bigger challenges to earn your respect?
Nov 28, 2009 7:21 AM
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Yuri Foreman is a pretty good fighter and he took the fight to Santos. I like Santos as a fighter and while he was tryn to shit on Cintrons parade prior to Cintrons last fight in PR he would lose his next match badly. Santos isn't some 1 Cintron has to worry about anymore. Anyway, 4man fought a great fight and he wasn't afraid to get hit, it's like no 1 appreciates boxers anymore-I mean when was it a bad thing to not allow another fighter to hit u. All most of yall do is say the samething-it's like 1 person w/ different screen names-I mean is there any 1 on this site that can appreciate the skill of hit and not be hit. Yall put Cotto on a cross 4 his brave showing vs Margarito and Clotty and he fought like that cause he's a warrior and to please yall-but a fighter fighting for the fans might just have a short career and soon as another hot prospect sprouts up u guys 4get about him. I'm a fan and I love this sport-most of yall just live 4 the moment.
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Re: Which fighters need to take bigger challenges to earn your respect?
Nov 27, 2009 12:53 PM
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> Good post 1mex.
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> More of a factually wrong assertions.
Only to a blinded man.
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Re: Which fighters need to take bigger challenges to earn your respect?
Nov 27, 2009 12:38 PM
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This is an INCORRECT statement. You might want to re-check your facts and make corrections to your post. Hint: they have Marquez in common; the Oscar that Floyd fought and BEAT, and the Hatton that Floyd fought and beat were not the same fighters PacMan fought. Was Cotto ruined too? I doubt it but a good case can be as such
Understood, but at the same time look at it in this way too...ODLH made it close in a fight against Mayweather and Mayweather went up in weight...that's a disadvantage for Mayweather but how come Mayweather never wanted to fight Oscar at 147 earlier in their career? Oscar came down to fight Manny but was still naturally bigger. You're right as far as Marquez being the same opponent but was he the same fighter at 145? I doubt it...people know that Mayweather could've taken a better fight than Marquez but instead he chose to take the easier opponent and not even address it with Max after his victory over Marquez. It was a different fight between Marquez and Pacquiao simply because Pac wasn't the same fighter that he is now...Mayweather has outpointed every fighter and got lucky with some of his KO wins. Don't get me wrong, I think Mayweather has superb skills, I just hate how he is and how he talks about how he's faced the best of the best....WHEN HE REALLY HASN'T. ODLH dominated by Manny, barely beat by Mayweather (both weight differentials taken into consideration). Oscar was some-what shot when he fought Mayweather and still made it a close fight. Manny had to go up in weight as well while ODLH had to go down so in that case both fighters battled weight - not only Manny. Hatton ko'd by both but Mayweather took a bit longer with his "lack of aggression style" while Manny only took 2 rounds to put him away, not to mention Manny's camp thought he would put him away in 3. Marquez gave Manny two great fights while they were both at the same weight, same size...while Mayweather dominated a fighter who struggled to make 145 when Mayweather never had the intention of making 145 and DID NOT EVEN WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE WEIGHT ISSUE WITH MAX (so unprofessional of Mayweather to not answer a question, to not even acknowledge the question, he just plain simple didn't want to talk about his lack of professionalism...just like his lack of agression) HOPE HE GETS HIS ASS WHOOPED, BECAUSE SOMEONE WHO IS THAT UNPROFESSIONAL, DISRESPECTFUL AND COCKY NEEDS TO BE TAUGHT A LESSON WITH A FEW HARD PUNCHES. LETS SEE IF HE CAN TAKE THE PUNCHES!!!! Remember, Cotto took hard punches from Manny all night, lets see if Floyd can take them when he gets tagged cuz eventually he'll have to fight and feel Manny's power.
I think Cotto was affected by the Margarito fight but he's not the first fighter to come back from a bad beatdown like the one Cotto took from AM. So, its' unfair to discredit Manny's win over a legitimate welter like Cotto, when Manny truly fought a tough competitor who came to fight as well. Mayweather would've never been able to put Cotto away...might've out-pointed him like he does everyone else but not put him away in the same fashion that Manny did.
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Re: Which fighters need to take bigger challenges to earn your respect?
Nov 26, 2009 11:47 PM
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Good post 1mex.
More of a factually wrong assertions.
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Re: Which fighters need to take bigger challenges to earn your respect?
Nov 26, 2009 11:46 PM
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Manny has faced tougher opposition and has blown away the opponents that they have in common
This is an INCORRECT statement. You might want to re-check your facts and make corrections to your post. Hint: they have Marquez in common; the Oscar that Floyd fought and BEAT, and the Hatton that Floyd fought and beat were not the same fighters PacMan fought. Was Cotto ruined too? I doubt it but a good case can be made as such.
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Re: Which fighters need to take bigger challenges to earn your respect?
Nov 26, 2009 9:48 PM
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> Yuri Foreman???
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> I NEVER want to see that guy in an HBO
> broadcast again. It would be OK if I was in jail and
> had nothing else to do, but otherwise, NEVER!
> 
Yuri Foreman is a slick defensive fighter who dont like to get hit. What's wrong with that? 
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Re: Which fighters need to take bigger challenges to earn your respect?
Nov 25, 2009 9:09 PM
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> Yuri Foreman needs to step to Paul Williams if and
> when Williams disposes of Sergio Martinez. I loathe
> to think of a Foreman-Martinez fight. Two low-contact
> movers engaging the other in a dance of avoidance.
> The jr. middleweight equivalent of
> Malignaggi-Spadafora. Compubox records could fall if
> this fight happens.....for lowest punch output and
> punches landed, that is. 
Yuri Foreman???
I NEVER want to see that guy in an HBO broadcast again. It would be OK if I was in jail and had nothing else to do, but otherwise, NEVER!
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Re: Which fighters need to take bigger challenges to earn your respect?
Nov 25, 2009 8:53 PM
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&> only one who thought Oscar beat May either (including
> May's own daddy Floyd Sr.). People are amazed at how
> his defense is soo good, this and that...but trust
> me...if Oscar was able to find ways to penetrate his
> defense and so was Jose Luis Castillo in their first
> fight...you'd have to be blind to not think that
> Manny will find a way to penetrate that defense and
> find Floy's head as he bob n weaves and runs. Floyd
> has an excellent defense, there's no denying
> that...Floyd has superb skills but he's only tested
> the waters a hand full of times and has NEVER fought
> anyone like Pacman. Pac packs a heavy punch with both
> hands...i think Pac has more power on either hand
> than Mayweather does on his right alone. Look I
> respect Floyd's skills but I just don't think he's
> faced the complete best like he claims. He never
> fought the people who posed a threat to him instead
> he always seemed to take the easier route. On the
> flip side of things, Manny has faced tougher
> opposition and has blown away the opponents that they
> have in common...I think Mayweather's lack of
> aggression will play into Manny's favor when he
> forces Runnin' Mayweather to fight a true fight
> instead of running around and parading like he's the
> best fighter...He's not the best fighter....he's
> simply the best at what he does but in my book it's
> not fighting...it's a run around the ring, let me
> score points and get the fuck out of dodge before I
> get blasted by a guy who's coming in here to really
> fight.
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> Edited by 1mexboxingfan at 11/24/2009 6:53 PM PST
Brotha, common opponents, thats not a real way to judge especially when one fighter fights the common opponent years later... But okay, May knocked out Hatton, May beat Oscar years before Manny fought him and May went all the way up to 154 to do this. Oscar had to come back down to 147 to fight Manny where he had not been in over 5 yrs. Lastly, Marguez, the way Floyd beat him compared to the way Manny beat him may tell the story. In the judges eyes, Marquez actually won more rounds against Manny then Manny did. Marquez was lucky to win one round against May.. I like Manny and he could very well beat FLoyd, but my money would be on Floyd, cause simply, he dont lose. All respect my brotha, not trying to sling nastiness but you feel one way I feel the other. Floyd should fight Manny, no doubt.. we will see.
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Re: Which fighters need to take bigger challenges to earn your respect?
Nov 25, 2009 4:15 PM
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> If Floyd wanted to he could have KO'ed Delahoya. All
> he had to do was come forward in the last quarter of
> that fight. He hurt Oscar with his right hand much
> more than many people realize. Mosley's win over that
> cheating mexican was great, but I really would rather
> Berto beat him and get him out of the way finally.
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> Edited by tcdrover at 11/24/2009 6:50 AM PST
just like if floy wanted to he would of pleased his fans to ko a smaller marquez.. or in fact pleased his fans and unified the WW division, instead of facing jr welters, and lightweighs, old jr middles.. instead of prime fighters.. in his own weight.. but that would require floy taking risk for no-draw fighters.. which means he could not freeload off of anyone, i.e. hatton,dlh, and mexico.. becase we all know darn well the fact that they put a mexican, if not the most known mexican, in front of fony.. mexican fans flew to see it.. and on mexico's indipendance weekend, FREELOADING!! how come he didnt ko baldomir, or talk about his baldomir numbers?? if he's the so-called ppv king!!
as far as mosley being put out of the way by berto.. we all saw what happened vs collazo.. mosley took care of collazo decisively.. adjusted or set gameplan, and berto should of lost that fight! so i say mosely UD...
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