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(19692 of 19692)
Nov 18, 2009 3:48 AM
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Chavez jr looked like hot garbage on the biggest night of his career so far. He had the world watchn as he was the co feature to the biggest fight since De La Hoya vs Mayweather.
He looked like crap-he was sluggish and I can't understand it-the guy is fighting like 6 to 8 times a year so we can't say he's rusty. They had him in there against a feather fists fighter and the guy was bringing it to him-god forbid the dude had any power.
Duddy just might whoop Chavez ass-Chavez jr is tryn to fight like his pop but he needs to find himself and maybe his dad should tell him that. Early on in his career he displayed potential to be a decent boxer sort of-but he moved as slow as pond water-I mean he was moving like he was up to his knees in mud.
Everytime we turn around he's moving up and he's not bringing the power with him. From the last interview I read with Bob Arum he even sounds impatient with him. I say just let him and Duddy fight already. How the hell can they fully develope this guy when he's constantly moving up? Duddy will beat him and then the lil hype he has will go away.
I just can't believe it-Arum gets this guy in there right b4 the main event and he looked like pure shit-everyone thought it would be a barn burner and it was a dud-he had millions watching and he could've drawn alot of interest but who the hell wants to see him fight now?
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(19691 of 19692)
Nov 14, 2009 1:03 PM
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williams should not have taken the fight with Martinez. he will get knocked out . look at what happen when he lost the first time. Martinez is to skilled to lose unless he freezes from so many punches coming at him.
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(19690 of 19692)
Nov 13, 2009 9:53 AM
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This is the thing right here, as fans we just don't know what's going on behind closed doors. For example, as a fighter it's hard for me to believe that Kelly Pavlik is afraid to fight Paul Williams, I just find that hard to believe. Now the Williams fight gets scratch and here comes Pavlik fighting a guy most boxing diehards never heard of, see I don't even remember his name.
I read where Kelly said they supposely ask Williams handlers to move the fight 2 weeks, it's just alot of talking going on I was really amp for this fight. I can live with Williams vs Martinez, but Pavlik ve Gary Lockets brother-come on.
Pav just can't keep fighting these type of fights-he had his Rubio's & Locket diet-so why is he fighting another no name? Maybe it's the promoters playn games, they no the fans are clueless about what goes on @ the negotiating table. I'm not sure about the Williams/Martinez bout-I changed my mind-I'm not picking a winner-I'm just going to enjoy the fight
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(19689 of 19692)
Nov 11, 2009 10:03 PM
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> Jarule, It's Always Business, now that sounds like a
> good name for the next EPMD CD if there is 1.
> Anyway-I think I'mma pull for the bull Martinez this
> s go round
Man, you gotz to chill. lol They always killed me with those business monikers. Unfinished Business was the best of the collection in my opinion; although I can feel comfortable saying that Strictly Business was as well. Ok, back to boxing....I'm rooting for WIlliams just because I want to see if Pavlik was really going to fight him at some point. lol
http://www.fightinsight.com/2009/11/11/dawson-and-pavlik-are-accomplished-yet-unproven/
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(19688 of 19692)
Nov 7, 2009 4:02 PM
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Jarule, It's Always Business, now that sounds like a good name for the next EPMD CD if there is 1. Anyway-I think I'mma pull for the bull Martinez this go round
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(19687 of 19692)
Nov 4, 2009 11:20 AM
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> Paul Williams is tearn a page out of Roach &
> Pacquaio's book. He's not willn 2 drop down 2 154lbs
> to fight Martinez so he's making Martinez move up 2
> 160. This is what yall need 2 understand, every last
> 1 of these guys play these freakn games when they
> think their the man 4 whatever particular opponent
> their fighting.
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> Martinez is moving up cause Williams is a bigger
> r name and he needs this fight, but if he didn't he
> would probably tell Williams 2 go -uck himself. I
> mean Williams is a guy claiming 2 be able 2 move up 2
> 175 2 fight Clazaghe or move all the way back down 2
> fight Mayweather, Pacquaio, Mosely or Cotto, but he
> wont move down to 154 to fight Martinez in a
> unification match. Martinez is a 154lbs champ and
> Williams beat Phillips 4 his beat right? I'm going 4
> Martinez, I think he can pull it off
It's ALWAYS business. The fighter with the bigger name always calls the shots, i.e. given weighty matters. Same reason Paul was willing to sacrifice size advantages to fight Pavlik and the same reason he's not, to fight Martinez (who has less of a name, as you say). EVERYONE is guilty of it...that being said, I don't see Martinez winning that fight, but it may be a very tricky fight for Williams...Sergio is slicker than a milk dud dipped in baby oil.
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(19686 of 19692)
Nov 4, 2009 11:03 AM
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Paul Williams is tearn a page out of Roach & Pacquaio's book. He's not willn 2 drop down 2 154lbs to fight Martinez so he's making Martinez move up 2 160. This is what yall need 2 understand, every last 1 of these guys play these freakn games when they think their the man 4 whatever particular opponent their fighting.
Martinez is moving up cause Williams is a bigger name and he needs this fight, but if he didn't he would probably tell Williams 2 go -uck himself. I mean Williams is a guy claiming 2 be able 2 move up 2 175 2 fight Clazaghe or move all the way back down 2 fight Mayweather, Pacquaio, Mosely or Cotto, but he wont move down to 154 to fight Martinez in a unification match. Martinez is a 154lbs champ and Williams beat Phillips 4 his beat right? I'm going 4 Martinez, I think he can pull it off
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(19685 of 19692)
Nov 4, 2009 10:49 AM
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WBC wants corner rule enforced
JEJU, South Korea -- The World Boxing Council wants to banish once and for all fathers from working their sons' corners during fights after a study showed it could prove fatal.
Speaking at the WBC's annual convention, council president Jose Sulaiman said the organization already had a rule banning fathers from their sons' corners but that it was being flouted.
The WBC must strictly enforce this law to prevent errors in judgment that could lead to tragedy in the ring, Sulaiman added.
Dr. Paul Wallace, chairman of the WBC's Medical Advisory Board, said that a study in California backed up the WBC's stance.
"The most common factor out of all the fatalities that had happened, was having fathers in the corner," he said of the study. "Now, that's not something that's a medical issue, but it's something that's clearly an association."
Art Pelullo, president of Banner Promotions, said the emotional link between father and son should preclude them working so closely together during a fight.
"A father is not detached enough to make the right decision, because he's looking at what he loves and maybe not seeing what's really going on," Pelullo said.
WBC governor Rex Walker said there was the added danger to fathers living out their own dreams through their sons' fists.
"Too many fathers live through their kid in the ring," Walker said. "They transform from the corner to the kid, and they want to stay in the fight -- but they're not the ones getting hit."
WBC welterweight champion Andre Berto has his father close at hand during his fights, but not in his corner.
"Most of the breakups between a father and son happen in the corner because so many emotions are involved," Berto said. "The father tends to step out of his boundary, getting into 'father mode' instead of 'trainer mode'. You have to be able to separate that."
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(19684 of 19692)
Nov 4, 2009 10:28 AM
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> > I just read on boxingtalk that HBO is tryn 2
> put
> > 2gether a junior welter weight series. The
> names
> > mention were Alexander, Maidaina, Khan and
> Ortiz.
> > Question, what the hell is Ortiz name even
> being
> > g mention for, didn't he just quit against
> Maidaina
> > in his last fight? I love the idea's-(Don King
> > started it) but what's up With Showtime & HBO
> > rewarding fighters cumn off devasting losses in
> their
> > last outing a chance like this? Victor quit
> once and
> > just like Fretaz it's going to be in the back of
> his
> > mind if it gets 2 tough in there 2 quit again.
> I
> > think it's just Golden Boy backing him, the
> > Bradly/Peterson winner should be in there and
> maybe
> > even Kendal Holt
>
> I absolutely agree that the Bradley-Petersen winner
> needs to be in any jr. welterweight tournament to
> give it legitimacy. If their format calls for six
> fighters, which it should and easily could, I think
> the other names most deserving are: Kendall Holt,
> Amir Khan, Marcos Maidana, Devon Alexander and the
> Diaz-Malignaggi II winner. I doubt Ricky Hatton or
> Juan Manuel Marquez would want in, because of the
> tough level of competition and the paltry purses that
> they'd get relative to what they'd get fighting each
> other or even Manny Pacquiao.
Good thought but poor execution by HBO. as y'all point out, no Bradley or Peterson? Nor even a Holt or even Torres? And why junior welterweight? Why not lightweight or junior lightweight? Or even super welterweight?
http://www.fightinsight.com/2009/11/03/miguel-cotto-is-no-pushover-but-he-is-also-no-manny-pacquiao/
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Nov 4, 2009 1:04 AM
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> I just read on boxingtalk that HBO is tryn 2 put
> 2gether a junior welter weight series. The names
> mention were Alexander, Maidaina, Khan and Ortiz.
> Question, what the hell is Ortiz name even being
> g mention for, didn't he just quit against Maidaina
> in his last fight? I love the idea's-(Don King
> started it) but what's up With Showtime & HBO
> rewarding fighters cumn off devasting losses in their
> last outing a chance like this? Victor quit once and
> just like Fretaz it's going to be in the back of his
> mind if it gets 2 tough in there 2 quit again. I
> think it's just Golden Boy backing him, the
> Bradly/Peterson winner should be in there and maybe
> even Kendal Holt
I absolutely agree that the Bradley-Petersen winner needs to be in any jr. welterweight tournament to give it legitimacy. If their format calls for six fighters, which it should and easily could, I think the other names most deserving are: Kendall Holt, Amir Khan, Marcos Maidana, Devon Alexander and the Diaz-Malignaggi II winner. I doubt Ricky Hatton or Juan Manuel Marquez would want in, because of the tough level of competition and the paltry purses that they'd get relative to what they'd get fighting each other or even Manny Pacquiao.
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Nov 4, 2009 12:34 AM
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I just read on boxingtalk that HBO is tryn 2 put 2gether a junior welter weight series. The names mention were Alexander, Maidaina, Khan and Ortiz. Question, what the hell is Ortiz name even being mention for, didn't he just quit against Maidaina in his last fight? I love the idea's-(Don King started it) but what's up With Showtime & HBO rewarding fighters cumn off devasting losses in their last outing a chance like this? Victor quit once and just like Fretaz it's going to be in the back of his mind if it gets 2 tough in there 2 quit again. I think it's just Golden Boy backing him, the Bradly/Peterson winner should be in there and maybe even Kendal Holt
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Nov 3, 2009 10:40 PM
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Diaz-Malignaggi 2 in Chicago
The rematch between junior welterweights Juan Diaz and Paulie Malignaggi will occur on December 12 at the UIC Pavilion in Chicago, Illinois, Fightnews has learned. The site in Chicago beat out two other potential venues in Atlantic City, New Jersey and Las Vegas, Nevada. The fight, a rematch of a controversial decision win by Diaz in August, will be a 50-50 co-promotion between Lou DiBella (Malignaggi?s promoter) and Golden Boy Promotions (Diaz? promoter). A press conference will likely be held next week to officially announce the fight.
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(19680 of 19692)
Nov 1, 2009 10:20 PM
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> Hit, I saw it, one of the best fights of the year in
> my opinion. It was a close fight, no matter what the
> judges put on the cards (in favor of Perez), but the
> right man won.
>
> http://www.fightinsight.com/2009/10/27/expect-a-bumpy-
> road-for-glen-johnson-when-he-visits-chad-dawson-in-co
> nnecticut/
I agree. It was a great fight that no one seemed interested in. Its great to have superstars in the sport. But nowadays, the hardcore fans only seem interested in the superfights and mega events. Either way, I was very entertained and would love to see a rematch.
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(19678 of 19692)
Nov 1, 2009 1:40 PM
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Glenn Johnson needs 2 stop actn like a lil cunt, he's tryn 2 get fans & critics 2 feel sorry 4 him. I like Johnson as a fighter & I really like the way he carries himself but I hate the way he's carried on 4 this particular fight series.
Bad Chad beat him fair & square imo-I bet most of the people that thought he won r probably the same 1's who had Castillo beatn Mayweather. I mean he came @ Chad w/guns blazing-he fought a very good/game fight, but do I think he won-NO. Was he robbed HELL NO. He was just sayn how Chad was duckn him & cryn bout this and that now he's always talkn bout their going 2 robb him again.
He needs 2 just fight his heart out & leave everything in the ring. Chad said he got caught up n a sluggn match & I believe him-Chad needs 2 box him from round 1 thru 12. Glenn of course will say that Chad ran all night cause a phone booth battle is Johnson's only way 2 win if u ask me
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