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(19704 of 19704)
Nov 25, 2009 6:15 PM
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> I absolutely agree that the Bradley-Petersen winner
> needs to be in any jr. welterweight tournament to
> give it legitimacy. If their format calls for six
> fighters, which it should and easily could, I think
> the other names most deserving are: Kendall Holt,
> Amir Khan, Marcos Maidana, Devon Alexander and the
> Diaz-Malignaggi II winner.
Now you're talking but I see only one European.
I'm no marketing whiz but I don't think it has
wings.
> I doubt Ricky Hatton or
> Juan Manuel Marquez would want in, because of the
> tough level of competition and the paltry purses that
> they'd get relative to what they'd get fighting each
> other or even Manny Pacquiao.
I wonder how the combined gate of the previously
mentioned six compares just to a Hatton / JM Marquez
gate though.
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(19703 of 19704)
Re: MANNY PACQUIAO IS A STEROID USER.
Nov 25, 2009 12:13 PM
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> IN CASE YOU MISSED IT:
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> http://ringtalk.com/ringtalkradio20091108
>
> CLICK
> HERE TO LISTEN TO KERMIT CINTRON'S REVELATIONS ABOUT
> MANNY PACQUIAO USING STEROIDS.
Cintron is clueless, & he has a peanut sized brain as well.
Roberto Duran started out as a lightweight too, & he won titles all the way up to MIDDLEWEIGHT. It's strange how Pacman isn't constantly compared to Duran who IMO his career-path most resembles.
Evander Holyfield was a cruiserweight, Chris Byrd was a MIDDLEWEIGHT & went up to Heavy weight.
James Toney looked like a completely different person when he KO'ED Michael Nunn.
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(19701 of 19704)
Nov 23, 2009 10:02 AM
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> As much as I like Marquez I say styles make fights.
> Hattons pressure, aggression and size would be too
> much. I dont think Marquez has the power to hold him
> off. I despise Hatton but I think he'll be too much
> for Marquez.
I don't see it. Hatton appears to be running on 'e' and very few fighters come back good from the way he got KO'd by many, i.e. this late in their career.
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(19700 of 19704)
Nov 22, 2009 11:04 PM
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As much as I like Marquez I say styles make fights. Hattons pressure, aggression and size would be too much. I dont think Marquez has the power to hold him off. I despise Hatton but I think he'll be too much for Marquez.
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(19699 of 19704)
Nov 22, 2009 10:29 PM
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> does anybody have any thoughts on the purposed juan
> manual marquez-ricky hatton fight?
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> i think hatton should hang em up, he's takin alot of
> punishment over his career and of course his personal
> life haha. of course you can say that he can fight
> cause he's only lost to the best two fighters of our
> generation but he still took alot of punishment. if
> they were to fight i see marquez getting a knockout
> in the mid-rounds of the fight but i dont see too
> much point in it, except maybe as a gauge for juan to
> tell if he can compete at 140.
I think the fight would be moderately competitive, i.e. since Marquez is slowing down a bit. That being said, I'd still pick him by mid-to-late round stoppage; Hatton appears close to being shot.
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(19698 of 19704)
Nov 22, 2009 10:09 PM
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does anybody have any thoughts on the purposed juan manual marquez-ricky hatton fight?
i think hatton should hang em up, he's takin alot of punishment over his career and of course his personal life haha. of course you can say that he can fight cause he's only lost to the best two fighters of our generation but he still took alot of punishment. if they were to fight i see marquez getting a knockout in the mid-rounds of the fight but i dont see too much point in it, except maybe as a gauge for juan to tell if he can compete at 140.
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(19697 of 19704)
Nov 22, 2009 10:09 PM
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> williams should not have taken the fight with
> Martinez. he will get knocked out . look at what
> happen when he lost the first time. Martinez is to
> skilled to lose unless he freezes from so many
> punches coming at him.
Williams knocked out by the light-hitting Martinez? Highly doubtful.
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(19696 of 19704)
Nov 22, 2009 10:07 PM
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> This is the thing right here, as fans we just don't
> know what's going on behind closed doors. For
> example, as a fighter it's hard for me to believe
> that Kelly Pavlik is afraid to fight Paul Williams, I
> just find that hard to believe. Now the Williams
> fight gets scratch and here comes Pavlik fighting a
> guy most boxing diehards never heard of, see I don't
> even remember his name.
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> I read where Kelly said they supposely ask Williams
> s handlers to move the fight 2 weeks, it's just alot
> of talking going on I was really amp for this fight.
> I can live with Williams vs Martinez, but Pavlik ve
> e Gary Lockets brother-come on.
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> Pav just can't keep fighting these type of fights-he
> e had his Rubio's & Locket diet-so why is he fighting
> another no name? Maybe it's the promoters playn
> games, they no the fans are clueless about what goes
> on @ the negotiating table. I'm not sure about the
> Williams/Martinez bout-I changed my mind-I'm not
> picking a winner-I'm just going to enjoy the fight
I agree, doubtful that Pavlik is "scared" in the way a little kid (shoot, some grown folks) is afraid of the dark or the deep blue sea BUT it's obvious that his handlers REALLY wanna exhaust their options before facing a guy like Williams, who they HAVE to know, can defeat their man.
Martinez is overrated in my book, upon further inspection. He was stopped by Margarito early in his career, looked very shaky before defeating the predictable Cintron (we know it was no draw), and pretty much has a resume littered with no-hopers. Williams stops him in around round 9/10.
http://www.fightinsight.com/
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(19695 of 19704)
Nov 22, 2009 10:05 PM
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> williams should not have taken the fight with
> Martinez. he will get knocked out . look at what
> happen when he lost the first time. Martinez is to
> skilled to lose unless he freezes from so many
> punches coming at him.
like i said before i believe this is a very bad style match up for williams. pauls best asset is his volume punching, that wont matter if your opponent isnt there to let you get off. pauls biggest wins were against flat footed guys i.e. winky wright, verno phillips, and antonio margarito. sergio will use his very good lateral movement to never let paul get set and let his hands go. williams will spend most of the fight trying to find sergio and get his range while sergio hits him with shot after shot then winning a decision
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(19694 of 19704)
Nov 22, 2009 9:58 PM
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hey mannmann6 i completely agree with you dude.
like they said on ringtheory he should have to change his name from julio caesar chavez haha.
im all for throwing him in with irish john duddy, maybe duddy will actually make a chavez jr fight barable to watch. personally i wanna see chavez get beat so maybe he'll try harder
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(19693 of 19704)
Nov 22, 2009 1:40 PM
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A fight coming up on the 5 I think will be good is Carlos Quintana vs Jesse Feliciano. I love to watch the underdogs fight.
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(19692 of 19704)
Nov 18, 2009 3:48 AM
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Chavez jr looked like hot garbage on the biggest night of his career so far. He had the world watchn as he was the co feature to the biggest fight since De La Hoya vs Mayweather.
He looked like crap-he was sluggish and I can't understand it-the guy is fighting like 6 to 8 times a year so we can't say he's rusty. They had him in there against a feather fists fighter and the guy was bringing it to him-god forbid the dude had any power.
Duddy just might whoop Chavez ass-Chavez jr is tryn to fight like his pop but he needs to find himself and maybe his dad should tell him that. Early on in his career he displayed potential to be a decent boxer sort of-but he moved as slow as pond water-I mean he was moving like he was up to his knees in mud.
Everytime we turn around he's moving up and he's not bringing the power with him. From the last interview I read with Bob Arum he even sounds impatient with him. I say just let him and Duddy fight already. How the hell can they fully develope this guy when he's constantly moving up? Duddy will beat him and then the lil hype he has will go away.
I just can't believe it-Arum gets this guy in there right b4 the main event and he looked like pure shit-everyone thought it would be a barn burner and it was a dud-he had millions watching and he could've drawn alot of interest but who the hell wants to see him fight now?
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(19691 of 19704)
Nov 14, 2009 1:03 PM
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williams should not have taken the fight with Martinez. he will get knocked out . look at what happen when he lost the first time. Martinez is to skilled to lose unless he freezes from so many punches coming at him.
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(19690 of 19704)
Nov 13, 2009 9:53 AM
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This is the thing right here, as fans we just don't know what's going on behind closed doors. For example, as a fighter it's hard for me to believe that Kelly Pavlik is afraid to fight Paul Williams, I just find that hard to believe. Now the Williams fight gets scratch and here comes Pavlik fighting a guy most boxing diehards never heard of, see I don't even remember his name.
I read where Kelly said they supposely ask Williams handlers to move the fight 2 weeks, it's just alot of talking going on I was really amp for this fight. I can live with Williams vs Martinez, but Pavlik ve Gary Lockets brother-come on.
Pav just can't keep fighting these type of fights-he had his Rubio's & Locket diet-so why is he fighting another no name? Maybe it's the promoters playn games, they no the fans are clueless about what goes on @ the negotiating table. I'm not sure about the Williams/Martinez bout-I changed my mind-I'm not picking a winner-I'm just going to enjoy the fight
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