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Sep 17, 2009 6:00 PM
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> > I can't help but think that the very first time
> > Pavlik connects cleanly that fight will be over
> & all
> > of HBO's time and money trying to hype up
> Williams
> > will have been wasted.
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> First they would have to actually fight and there is
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> a question as to whether or not Pavlik wants in
> the ring with any legitimate middleweight contender
> since he has never yet defended his WBC title against
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> one in the two years that he's held his title.
His reign didn't start out bad Jim, but its getting there. After stopping JT for the title, he's fought a rematch with JT and a superfight with B-Hop. Other than that, he's been in with gimmies in Lockett and Rubio. If he fights Williams, he's back on track. If he doesn't manage to get in there with Williams, and comes back with another Lockett-Rubio type opponent, we'll have something to rant about.
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Sep 17, 2009 5:45 PM
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this fight could turn out like the chavez/taylor fight.
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Sep 14, 2009 11:19 PM
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> I can't help but think that the very first time
> Pavlik connects cleanly that fight will be over & all
> of HBO's time and money trying to hype up Williams
> will have been wasted.
First they would have to actually fight and there is
a question as to whether or not Pavlik wants in
the ring with any legitimate middleweight contender
since he has never yet defended his WBC title against
one in the two years that he's held his title.
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Sep 14, 2009 1:42 PM
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Yep when Floyd does win all Floyd haters are gonna say so what he beat a smaller guy.
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Sep 13, 2009 2:49 AM
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> > bottom line is im gonna buy cotto/pac and watch
> > may/mar on replay. marquez is gonna win hands
> down
> > but mayweather is gonna try to stink it up. u
> can
> > take that to the bank.
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> I am really looking forward to this fight and to hear
> all the excuses when Floyd wins this fight. Marquez
> may be able to turn this boxing match into a fight,
> and to his dismay that will be his downfall. If FLoyd
> has to he will actually fight when potshotting is not
> working and when he actually is forced to throwdown
> is when he is most dangerous because of his speed,
> power, and defensive skills. Making FLoyd brawl is
> not the answer. What is?? Noone knows cause noone has
> beaten him....
That's funny, Floyd is the HEAVY favorite to win this fight, not the other way around. He is bigger and stronger than Marquez.
Generally speaking most guys that have fought PBF have pointed to his fight against Castillo for a game plan. Marquez is a much smarter, more skilled fighter than Castillo, but he might just be too small. I still think he can pull out the upset, but it would be an UPSET. He is the underdog in that fight.
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Sep 12, 2009 2:28 PM
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EMANUEL STEWARD: COTTO WILL BEAT PACQUIAO
By John Martinez
?This is not going to be a cakewalk for Manny. Cotto throws a lot of jabs that are targeted to disrupt rhythm and timing.?
WBO welterweight champion, Miguel Cotto and Manny Pacquiao, the consensus pound-for-pound champion, are set to square off on November 14th in Las Vegas. The fight is a must-see for boxing fans and a must-happen for the sake of sport itself because it helps strengthen the sweet science community as a whole and brings casual fans into the fold. Many people think that Pacquiao, the Filipino bomber will walk through Cotto, the Puerto Rican who perhaprs has been in too many wars. I disagree and believe Cotto will emerge victorious on November 14th. The task won?t be easy, but it will get done. I spoke with Hall Of Fame trainer Emmanuel Steward, who also predicts a Cotto win. ?John, you and me are either gonna look like geniuses or fools, but I got a feeling that though we are in the minority, we will be every gambler?s dream that night that listened to us,? said Steward. ?This is not going to be a cakewalk for Manny. Cotto throws a lot of jabs that are targeted to disrupt rhythm and timing,? he continued, ? and he hits very hard and has elusive hand speed too.?
In this writer's opinion, Cotto cannot backpedal against Pacquiao. He must take the fight to him behind a double or triple jab. The jab cannot be a ramrod jab; it needs to be more of a ?punch at the target rather than through the target? jab.
Should Cotto push Manny into the ropes or pin him in the corner, Cotto can fall into his usual trap of admiring his work and patiently looking for openings once his prey has fallen into his web.
As soon as Manny?s back is pinned on the ropes or in the corner, Cotto needs to go to work.
It is no secret that Manny Pacquiao has three glaring weaknesses in his game.
The first, Pacquiao generally has no head movement to speak of. His head is very stationary for a man of his pillar. He is very easy to hit. Ask Juan Marquez and Erik Morales if this is true.
The problem there was that neither man had the physical ability to make that punch ?stick?. Cotto is a different beast when it comes to punching power. He is physically larger and might weigh 10-17 pounds heavier than Pacquiao on fight night.
The second weakness that Manny possesses is an inability to stop an uppercut. Manny tends to leave his hands mid chest level and relies on cat like reflexes to counter this punch. Cotto will not be intimidated. He will land the uppercut at will.
Steward presents the third weakness. He said, ?when Manny throws his lead left hand, he is always out of balance. He overextends the punch and falls over his lead right foot. This is not good when it comes to fighting a guy like Cotto. Miguel will half step and counter with an uppercut or a lead right hand. Cotto is going to push Manny backward. He is going to punish Manny with pressure, weight, size, and punching power.?
The major problem with Cotto's style is his fighting stance. How can a decorated amateur (he was a 2000 Olympian) and an outstanding professional champion get away with holding his gloves next to his ears and leaning over his lead foot? Somehow, this tactic has worked for Cotto, but it won?t work for long. Steward agreed with my assessment and said, ?It is unbelievable to me how Cotto has gotten away with that for so long.?
?I can?t stand to see him (Cotto) in that stance. That stance leaves him wide open for uppercuts and if you?re facing Manny, you?d better correct that gloves on the ear thing that you?re used to doing cause it may land you in trouble on that night,? he said.
For the record, I loathe catchweights. To me, if a ?fighter? calls out a champion at a higher weight class, then meet that champion at his weight class. Catchweights are meaningless. Don?t issue a half-ass challenge. You call someone out, and then whoop their ass at the weight that they campaigned at and won a title in. Plain and simple. Its like picking on a guy that you know has been weakened somehow and you beat him. The question is simple. Did you really beat your foe or did you beat a shell or percentage of your enemy?
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Sep 12, 2009 9:41 AM
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> bottom line is im gonna buy cotto/pac and watch
> may/mar on replay. marquez is gonna win hands down
> but mayweather is gonna try to stink it up. u can
> take that to the bank.
I am really looking forward to this fight and to hear all the excuses when Floyd wins this fight. Marquez may be able to turn this boxing match into a fight, and to his dismay that will be his downfall. If FLoyd has to he will actually fight when potshotting is not working and when he actually is forced to throwdown is when he is most dangerous because of his speed, power, and defensive skills. Making FLoyd brawl is not the answer. What is?? Noone knows cause noone has beaten him....
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Sep 11, 2009 4:42 PM
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i agree drovey. williams on a few occasions was not hurt but stunned by quintana. williams even admitted it. so hows his chin gonna hold up against pavlik who hits like a light heavy? williams throws like a gozillion punches per round, but theres nothing on them. remember pavy went toe to toe with miranda. and i'm not saying eddy has the skills of williams but he dang sure hit alot harder. and pavy took all of eddy'd punches then delivered his. williams likes to come forward and that plays right into kelly's hands. but i think pavy will go to williams and make him fight backing up. i just don't see williams standing up to pavy's power for 12 rounds.
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Sep 9, 2009 12:47 PM
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I can't help but think that the very first time Pavlik connects cleanly that fight will be over & all of HBO's time and money trying to hype up Williams will have been wasted.
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Sep 3, 2009 11:17 PM
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> Some of yall need 2 puff puff pass cause ur holdn
> whatever ur smoking way 2 long. How the hell can u
> compare freaking Paul Williams 2 B-Hop? I like
> P-Will as a fighter I really do but he's gettn
> knocked out if he fights Pav-knocked out.
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> Like my man was sayn Marg started 2 bust him up a
> a lil later in their fight-Pav isn't a bigger version
> of Marg cause he's technically better as a fighter.
> Pav imo is hitting way 2 hard 4 Williams-I mean
> n where is Will's test-who prepared him 4 Pac-an
> inactive old Winky Wright cumn off a loss 2 B-Hop.
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> Oh let me guess old way past his prime Phillips or
> r 147 lbs Quitanna? Like I said I like Will and I
> wouldn't mind seeing him beat Pav but I seriously
> doubt that'll happen. Most of yall just don't see
> your just part of the band wagon club anyway.
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> Before the fight with Hopkins you were riding Pav
> like no 2morrow but he lose 2 a great fighter and u
> say he was exposed-news flash-P-Will aint shit
> compared 2 B-Hop-he can't do what B-Hop did. P-Will
> goes in there tryn 2 throw like that and the fat lady
> hits a high note.
I could definitely see Pavlik stopping P-Will in this one, but I wouldn't bet on it happening. Pavlik may be a tad better than Marg technically, but judging how he looked early against Taylor in their first fight and against B-Hop (no shame in that), he's still pretty flawed technically. He's looked his best against other technically flawed fighters (Taylor, Miranda). And recently he's been fighting even worse fighters than you mention Williams fighting. That over-matched dude from the UK and Rubio? C'mon dawg. Williams does have some flaws indeed, but his height and activity will be interesting to witness against another guy who is rangy and (used to) throw mad punches. It's a close fight, but I give P-Will a slight advantage, mainly based on how he looked against Winky and Margarito. Those are two pretty darn good wins.
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Sep 1, 2009 6:31 PM
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bottom line is im gonna buy cotto/pac and watch may/mar on replay. marquez is gonna win hands down but mayweather is gonna try to stink it up. u can take that to the bank.
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Sep 1, 2009 4:30 AM
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August 31, 2009
FIGHTERS, FANS AND PPV
By Michael Herron
Finally, the autumn has arrived and the two most highly anticipated fights of the year are at hand, Floyd Mayweather, Jr. vs. Juan Manuel Marquez (Sept. 19th) and Manny Pacquiao vs. Miguel Cotto (Nov. 14th). Fight fans have long discussed and debated the outcome of these fights but it is the ?making of? these contests that has shaken up the boxing world. Typically, setting up the super fights revolves around fighters and their promoters arguing why their fighter and/or company is the best, why you should tune in, buy tickets, order the pay-per-view, etc. True boxing fans, casual and diehards, generally care less about sales and marketing and more about in the ring action but ironically when it comes to these two fights, boxing fans seemingly are less concerned about the actual fight as they are with final pay-per-view sales.
In regards to these two fights, websites and boxing forums around the world have received endless streams of articles, interviews, chats, and blogs full of facts and opinions. By lending an ear to the fans and researching their opinions, it is clear that a battle line has been drawn between those who support the pay-per-view drawing power of Pacquiao vs. that of Mayweather. Based on the comments of many who support Pacquiao it is clear that they want the September 19th Mayweather-Marquez event to fail financially. They have put in a lot of work towards convincing anyone on the fence to not buy this fight. They say Marquez is too small, he is handpicked, he has never fought at welterweight, etc?while at the same time they ignore that Mayweather has been retired for two years, will certainly have rust, was called out by Marquez and agreed to a catchweight that is technically in the welterweight division, but is below 147. Most importantly, those against this contest conveniently ignore that Marquez is universally regarded as the #2 pound-for-pound fighter in the world behind Pacquiao; simply put, this is no tune-up.
The Mayweather-Marquez event has several positive components going for it; what is fascinating however is how those who are against this fight take its positives and attempt to turn them into negatives. For instance, many fans have long complained about purchasing pay-per-views that do not have an attractive undercard. This event however does not have that problem; it will showcase not only pound-for-pound stars Mayweather and Marquez but will also feature the rematch of WBA featherweight champion Chris John vs. Rocky Juarez and the always exciting Michael Katsidis vs. Vicente Escobedo in a lightweight battle. According to the anti-fans, Golden Boy Promotions (GBP) only stacked the card with great fights because they are afraid Mayweather can?t draw. Well if this is the case then I hope no fighter ever becomes a draw again because according to this logic we only get a great card because the headliner can?t draw.
Also, GBP announced that the Mayweather-Marquez fight will be shown in movie theaters across the country. While this is without a doubt one of the best things that has happened to boxing recently, the anti-fans again have attempted to turn this into a negative stating, ?They only showing it in theaters cause their afraid no one will buy the pay-per-view.? So again, according to this logic, fear of Mayweather?s inability to draw has brought big fights back to theaters; therefore it appears to this writer that we should thank the so-called non drawing power of Mayweather rather than criticize it.
In contrast, though every true boxing fan should be excited about Pacquiao vs. Cotto, Top Rank?s proposed undercard featuring Yuri Forman vs. Daniel Santos does not come close to matching the GBP offering. Also, the only innovation currently associated with this bout is the creation of a WBC "Diamond Belt", which is precisely what the boxing world does not need, another belt. With that said however, there is not nearly as many fans if any at all, criticizing or hoping for Pacquiao-Cotto to fail financially. Perhaps this means that fans are happy with this fight alone regardless of the undercard or maybe this only proves that Mayweather has some of the most dedicated anti-fans in the sport, or as their called in the boxing world, haters.
Though any discussion of boxing is good, why fight fans are dedicating so much energy in debating pay-per-view sales makes one wonder if they believe their getting a cut of the profits. My ultimate goal for both of these fights is simply to add another great fight to my collection, and perhaps even engage in a healthy debate or two regarding who is the best pound-for-pound. The fact of the matter is if fans want to see the biggest fight that can be made ?Mayweather vs. Pacquiao? then it may be wise to support their current assignments.
Ultimately, these fights are a win-win for the sport of boxing and the fans, why anyone who claims they are true boxing fans would hope for any of these events to fail is ridiculous. Only Dana White of the UFC, who will be going up against Mayweather-Marquez on September 19th, should be wishing with fingers crossed that no one will take interest in this bout. If his wish indeed comes true then it will not be the fans of UFC he should thank but boxing fans themselves who have willingly shunned their own sport. Keep it up and we will soon be watching boxing?s funeral, if you can?t be there live, I am sure you can catch it on pay-per-view.
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Aug 28, 2009 1:37 AM
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Some of yall need 2 puff puff pass cause ur holdn whatever ur smoking way 2 long. How the hell can u compare freaking Paul Williams 2 B-Hop? I like P-Will as a fighter I really do but he's gettn knocked out if he fights Pav-knocked out.
Like my man was sayn Marg started 2 bust him up a lil later in their fight-Pav isn't a bigger version of Marg cause he's technically better as a fighter. Pav imo is hitting way 2 hard 4 Williams-I mean where is Will's test-who prepared him 4 Pac-an inactive old Winky Wright cumn off a loss 2 B-Hop.
Oh let me guess old way past his prime Phillips or 147 lbs Quitanna? Like I said I like Will and I wouldn't mind seeing him beat Pav but I seriously doubt that'll happen. Most of yall just don't see your just part of the band wagon club anyway.
Before the fight with Hopkins you were riding Pav like no 2morrow but he lose 2 a great fighter and u say he was exposed-news flash-P-Will aint shit compared 2 B-Hop-he can't do what B-Hop did. P-Will goes in there tryn 2 throw like that and the fat lady hits a high note.
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Aug 28, 2009 1:24 AM
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Top trainer Freddie Roach wants to bring Manny Pacquiao to a secluded training camp up in the mountains of Toluca in Mexico in preparation for the Nov. 14 fight with Miguel Cotto.
?It?s absurd to train in the Philippines,? said Roach in an interview Thursday with fightnews and Manila Bulletin as the Hall of Fame trainer brushed off suggestions that Baguio be used as an alternate camp to the Wild Card Boxing Club in Hollywood. ?Cotto is going to be the toughest fight and anyone who says that it?s going to be easy is a f_____ idiot!? Roach said he ?knows what?s best for my fighter,? pointing to the high elevation of Toluca as the perfect site for Pacquiao?s usual eight-week training.
Roach said Toluca (8,793 feet above sea level) is the best choice to set up camp. The city has a temperature of seven to 21 degrees Celsius during the months of September and October and is easily accessible by land from Mexico City.
Roach said Pacquiao didn?t reach his full potential when they trained in Cebu in 2007 for the rematch with Marco Antonio Barrera as there was a steady line of people watching their every move.
?There were lots of distractions and there?d be a lot more now since Manny is ten times more popular,? said Roach.
Even if Pacquiao trains daily under his watchful eyes, Roach is not sure if Pacquiao will stay mentally focused.
?The Governor might fly him out during the weekends,? said Roach without naming anyone in particular although he could be referring to former Ilocos Sur Gov. Luis ?Chavit? Singson, who owns a private jet.
Pacquiao is being advised to limit the number of his stay on US territory owing to an IRS provision called the Substantial Presence Test which mandates non-resident aliens like Pacquiao to limit their number of stay in a three-year period. It has been discovered that Pacquiao has exceeded the number of days allowed and if he decides to spend the entire eight-week training camp in the US, he will be taxed heavily.
Top Rank head Bob Arum first suggested the Bahamas as a possible site then mentioned the resort cities of Nuevo Vallarta and Cancun in Mexico as options. Vancouver in Canada was also mentioned but the constant rains there forced his handlers to rule it out.
Pacquiao hasn?t decided where to train for the Cotto fight although he has mentioned Baguio as an option since he is still heavily involved in the shooting of a movie, TV shows and commercials.
Roach said he hasn?t been contacted by Pacquiao?s people these past few weeks and he feels slighted that he is not being consulted.
?I have tried calling Manny but the guy I spoke with couldn?t understand English and I feel that they?re trying to stop me from talking to him,? said Roach.
Still, Roach said he won?t be surprised if he ends up taking that long flight to Manila.
?But if Manny wants me to go there, I?ll go but??
Meanwhile, Arum said he will try to convince Pacquiao to junk the idea of training in the Philippines.
?I will talk to (Pacquiao adviser) Mike (Koncz) and we?ll see what happens,? said Arum.
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Aug 27, 2009 5:34 PM
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Hey ya'll, Usain Bolt broke his own world records again in the 100m and 200m. Hey Neut, I guess he improved on his quick jerk.
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