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Out of the current boxers who do you think hits the hardest in their weight classes?
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Re: Who are the hardest punchers in each weight class?
Oct 16, 2008 6:19 PM
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> Of course he waits for sloppy seconds, there was no
> one else that offers such a rate as golden boy when
> it boils down to risk vs. rewards.....speaking from
> the standpoint that golden boy & Top Rank will match
> the monetary commitment up front to offer "Money" at
> least 20 mil up front. That's the thing I have to be
> willing to admit as a "MoneyMaker" fan, he simply
> priced himself out of the game, but as well, I would
> think any boxing fan at this point would look at
> Cotto's & Marg's inactivity since getting it on, &
> realize that it's all a money game. I really don't
> expect PACMAN to leave the ring against ODLH, &
> anybody thinking anything less of him, even with a
> loss he'll be considered a pound 4 pound best, and
> TOP RANK will parlay that into getting him into the
> next big fight.
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> OLDH has to fight MARG......who's left? Cotto will
> need to get an intern fight, but who, what, where,
> and when.......how rusty will he be when he finally
> takes that intern fight.....follow my understanding,
> they want big money, they have to fight each other.
Wasn't the Cotto/Marg fight like 3 months ago? That's not much of a period of inactivity. Still sifting thru the rubble to find some gold dust. I kinda wanna know who's on deck cuz I can't wait to see either of these guys fight again.
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Re: Who are the hardest punchers in each weight class?
Oct 16, 2008 1:58 PM
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cotto will be fighting in the first quarter next year and will seek a rematch with marg in the summer. there is plenty of competition for odlh. lets see israel vasquez, cristian mijares, ivan calderon, and the marquez brothers. he will fight @ welterweight just not against welters
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Re: Who are the hardest punchers in each weight class?
Oct 16, 2008 1:28 PM
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Of course he waits for sloppy seconds, there was no one else that offers such a rate as golden boy when it boils down to risk vs. rewards.....speaking from the standpoint that golden boy & Top Rank will match the monetary commitment up front to offer "Money" at least 20 mil up front. That's the thing I have to be willing to admit as a "MoneyMaker" fan, he simply priced himself out of the game, but as well, I would think any boxing fan at this point would look at Cotto's & Marg's inactivity since getting it on, & realize that it's all a money game. I really don't expect PACMAN to leave the ring against ODLH, & anybody thinking anything less of him, even with a loss he'll be considered a pound 4 pound best, and TOP RANK will parlay that into getting him into the next big fight.
OLDH has to fight MARG......who's left? Cotto will need to get an intern fight, but who, what, where, and when.......how rusty will he be when he finally takes that intern fight.....follow my understanding, they want big money, they have to fight each other.
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Re: Who are the hardest punchers in each weight class?
Oct 16, 2008 12:32 AM
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>1. I predicted when the rumors first jumped off, the OLDH was going to fight PACMAN instead, then "Money" will come back to fight PACMAN. That's still going to happen.
So Floyd is going to wait for Oscar to make his mint and settle for sloppy seconds? Where have I heard that before. For a smart fighter Floyd is not so smart in the business end. He should be leading the way instead of following in Oscar's footsteps.
Second. I don't Oscar fights Tony. It's too big a risk. I think he fight Williams who is longer and lankier and less experienced. The media will pump it up as the next Leonard/Hearns or some shit.
Third. Who is Cotto going to fight in the interim? He can't wait until next summer to fight again. That's not his style nor does it make sense. He might wanna go after a durable fledgling like Berto, Clottey or even Cintron to get in some rds against a tough come forward forward to stay sharp but not put himself too much in harms way. In fact I think Cotto/Cintron is a very good idea. Cintron is about Tony's size and hits hard. Any way it goes you can bet I'll be tuning in. Cotto showed me something in his last fight. He's got heart. He took a beating but gave it his best shot. It was only after he realized there was nothing he could do that he decided to call it quits. And his wife and kids were in the audience. No use letting them see more. I expect to see Cotto back at the top in short order.
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Re: Who are the hardest punchers in each weight class?
Oct 15, 2008 3:58 PM
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Let's push away from the Marg talk for a second, if we all can be honest just for a second, we know why Marg hasn't fought since winning that belt. Seems to me OLDH has gotten back in the bed with the "angel of Greed" Bob Arum. OLDH has played the public once again with the I'm going to retire/ I'm not going to retire card, and here is why:
1. I predicted when the rumors first jumped off, the OLDH was going to fight PACMAN instead, then "Money" will come back to fight PACMAN. That's still going to happen.
2. Win or lose OLDH is fighting MARG next, enough buzz has been generated that TOP RANK, and GOLDEN BOY are going to be willing to do it, since OLDH will now get his cut, and we all know how BOB ARUM keeps his PIMP HAND STRONG when it comes to beating MARG out of his money.
3. The lack of outcry from the COTTO camp regarding a rematch, means these dudes know something. Their fighters both sitting around doing everything, but fighting, we not get the rematch on, unless you feel a bigger purse lays in wait if MARG can get the OLDH fight then parlay that into a following the generates enough loot for them to get a big pay raise for the rematch.
EVERYBODY else is on the outside looking in on that division, and that's where TOP RANK, and GOLDEN BOY will keep them.
I wanted to get some opinions on the "GHOST" vs "HOPS" fight. I also predicted that this would be a big fight months ago, cause real fight fans know that the contrast in these two dudes style dictates that this one will be a banger. Hopkins will try to bag the first 5-6 rounds by moving, clutching, and blocking to take Kelly's legs a little. Pav will come out strong forcing the issue early, and often to draw hopkins into dropping his hands, expect Pav to live in Hopkins mid-section early before moving to his head later. Here is the wildcard in the fight, what kind of POP does POPKINS have left? Think about it, if POPKINS flips his script, like I expect him too, change his pattern, and attack early with counters, and maybe push Pav into the corners, and attempt to rough him up, PAV will unleash such fury that we will actually see everything he has........this fight doesn't go the distance, but it will be much better then you expect. That's what's up!!!
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Re: Who are the hardest punchers in each weight class?
Oct 15, 2008 3:52 PM
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In the featherweight and under divisions the hardest puncher would have to be Israel Vasquez and up and comer Yuriokis Gamboa. Amongst the lightweights I think Anthony Peterson and Manny Pacquio are the biggest bangers. In the welterweights Cintron, and Cotto are the biggest punchers, but I think Clottley is up there too. In the middleweights it is Pavlik and Miranda are the bosses. Amongst the light heavyweights Tarver and Johnson with Jones and possibly Dawson if he sits more on his punches. And amongst the big men Wladimir is the best puncher with Vitali, and Briggs on the outskirts. But every fighter I have mentioned has their own discrepancies wether it be lack of heart, stamina, chin, bad defense or arrogance that shows up in their fights and if they werent such big punchers they would not be able to have gone as far in the sport.
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Re: Who are the hardest punchers in each weight class?
Oct 15, 2008 3:12 AM
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Margarito is not a hard puncher, he has the hardest face, hardest jaw, and hardest head I think.
Somebody mentioned Mike Tyson. Yeah, he is the hardest puncher during his wild prime time.
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Re: Who are the hardest punchers in each weight class?
Oct 15, 2008 12:28 AM
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At first I thought Margarito/Clottey was a done deal because people were talking about it so much. I haven't seen anything anywhere where any paper has been signed. There's also talk of a rematch with Cotto in the spring. He needs to fight someone in the meantime. I surely would like to see him fight Clottey. I think a fight with Williams will ruin his chances to fight Cotto again. I'm not sure who else there is other than Mosley who was clearly not excited about the prospect after his last post fight interview. Fuck it. Maybe Margarito can fight Mayorga. Mayorga seems to be about the only guy out there who ain't particular about who they put in front of him.
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Re: Who are the hardest punchers in each weight class?
Oct 15, 2008 12:23 AM
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> Tony didn't quit in the last round he was still
> fighting.
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> I think this time around you will see an entirely
> different Margarito against Clottey. Not a rusted out
> version but a sharper more active version.
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Margarito clearly has problems when he's fighting men closer to his size (Santos, Williams) or strength (Clottey). I have a funny feeling he never faces Clottey again...not because he's scared, but simply because there are easier, more lucrative bouts out there.
Is his rematch with Clottey a definite early next year? If so, I stand corrected.
http://www.fightinsight.com/2008/10/14/kelly-pavlik-will-be-too-busy-for-bernard-hopkins/
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Re: Who are the hardest punchers in each weight class?
Oct 14, 2008 12:50 AM
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Tony didn't quit in the last round he was still fighting.
I think this time around you will see an entirely different Margarito against Clottey. Not a rusted out version but a sharper more active version.
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Re: Who are the hardest punchers in each weight class?
Oct 13, 2008 11:34 PM
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but he did pull an oscar in the last rd. i remember yelling at the t.v. and he admitted it himself after the fight that he taught he was ahead on the cards. but oh well.
what do u think will happen when marg fights clottey
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Re: Who are the hardest punchers in each weight class?
Oct 13, 2008 4:17 PM
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> yeah he was ahead on 2 of 3 cards by one round. my
> point is that it shouldn't have to cum to that. u
> said he throws from start to finish. he did get rd 2
> out of the first six "wow". thats not throwing thru
> the whole fight. and we all know what marg did in rd
> 12 against p. williams, absolutly nothing. i
> watched the same fight u did i was going for marg.
> ive been watching him since the early 90's. i just
> didnt agree with the point u made thats all. thank
> you for letting me share
I think your discounting Cotto's efforts forgetting that Cotto wasn't no slouch and was even favored to win. Margarito handed him an old fashioned ass whoopin even if Cotto did win a few early rds. It doesn't mean he started slow. And Williams was throwing some good leather in round 12 also. It wasn't like Tony gave up and "pulled an Oscar". He needed some of those early rounds and didn't get it done. He hasn't started that slow since.
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Re: Who are the hardest punchers in each weight class?
Oct 13, 2008 2:01 PM
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yeah he was ahead on 2 of 3 cards by one round. my point is that it shouldn't have to cum to that. u said he throws from start to finish. he did get rd 2 out of the first six "wow". thats not throwing thru the whole fight. and we all know what marg did in rd 12 against p. williams, absolutly nothing. i watched the same fight u did i was going for marg. ive been watching him since the early 90's. i just didnt agree with the point u made thats all. thank you for letting me share
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Re: Who are the hardest punchers in each weight class?
Oct 12, 2008 11:25 PM
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>it has not been corrected. in his last fight, if not for the late tko, there was a chance he couldve lost. against cintron he knew he had his number
Margarito was ahead on everyone's card including the biased HBO who started slobbering all over Cotto 10 seconds into the fight. He put a thorough beat down on Cotto that Cotto won't forget anytime soon. Cotto was basically out of the fight and on his way out after round six. And Tony landed a shot in round two that had Cotto second guessing. Other than that he was extremely slow and on his way to losing. LOL. What fight in hell did you watch?
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Re: Who are the hardest punchers in each weight class?
Oct 12, 2008 8:45 PM
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this is a crappy half year of boxing nbtw not cause the fights are bad but because they aint accessible and too sparse. nothing in august at all and then the fight between cambell and guzman gets canned.
atop of that JMM vs Casa i heard was pretty dull for the most part.
last best thing was Diaz Vs Katsidis, but i have a gut feeling that t enext few fights
mayorga mosley
pavs and hopkins
gamboa and somebum
are gonna suck
the only good fight left this year is (in terms of competition and stature) is Roy Jr and calzaghe
how could you talk about dull..isnt mayweather your favorite fighter,,,c mon man think about what you say before you post@!!!!!!
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