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I know Pernell faced De La Hoya late in his career as well as Trinidad but he was way past his peak. How do you think Pernell Whitaker would do in his prime against Welterweights of today? I read that back in 2002 they ranked him as 10th greatest fighter of the last 80 years at that point. I'm bringing this question up because I watched one his fight against Rafael Pineda last night and it got me thinking.
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Re: Hypothetical question regarding Pernell Whitaker
Sep 25, 2008 7:51 PM
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Re: Hypothetical question regarding Pernell Whitaker
Sep 17, 2008 11:29 PM
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taylor and pea were both duva guys but that point i was making was i never saw pea in with a fast guy until oscar. early on, duva had taylor in with howard davis jr and that ended up being a good scrap. i think it was a draw. maybe lou figured he wouldnt take no chances like that again. i dont think randall was too easy to hit. i think his movement woulda tested pea and randall wasnt a majority arm puncher like taylor was. by that i mean that meldrick used to throw quick arm punch combos and only selectively dig in. frankie threw textbook cross-hook-cross or hook-cross-hook combos from his shoulders. i really think it was the difference in taylor and randall's encounters with jc chavez.
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Re: Hypothetical question regarding Pernell Whitaker
Sep 17, 2008 9:22 PM
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good point. i would have loved to seen taylor/ whitaker. that would have been interesting.
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Re: Hypothetical question regarding Pernell Whitaker
Sep 14, 2008 10:07 PM
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> who can really say but maybe pea was never matched
> with randall, taylor or camacho so that we'd never
> know what actually woulda happened if pea was ever in
> a fight when he wasn't the fastest.
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> imo pea's effective power shot was a perfectly timed
> left cross that completely tamed mcgirt in their
> second fight. from that point on buddy lost the
> necessary aggression to compete with pea. i believe
> pea also dropped rivera with the same shot.
From what I recall, Camacho wanted no part of Pernell; Taylor was perhaps faster than him, was too easy to hit, and woulda never fought him because they were boys, and I think he woulda made Randall look foolish (too easy to hit). Indeed, Pernell's overhand left was sneakingly sharp. Not a one punch KO thing (Nazario and Hurtado notwithstanding), but he hurt, wobbled and even dropped a few good fighters with it (Roger Mayweather and Oscar De La Hoya...although that was more of a flash knockdown).
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Re: Hypothetical question regarding Pernell Whitaker
Sep 14, 2008 3:33 PM
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who can really say but maybe pea was never matched with randall, taylor or camacho so that we'd never know what actually woulda happened if pea was ever in a fight when he wasn't the fastest.
imo pea's effective power shot was a perfectly timed left cross that completely tamed mcgirt in their second fight. from that point on buddy lost the necessary aggression to compete with pea. i believe pea also dropped rivera with the same shot.
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Re: Hypothetical question regarding Pernell Whitaker
Sep 14, 2008 9:04 AM
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> Both guys quick, both guys great on defense. The
> difference in this fight would be power and Whitaker
> has none. If you think for a minute Floyd would not
> be able to land a hard punch you are not dealing with
> reality. In this fight I believe Floyd would become
> the aggressor because Whitaker would not be able to
> hurt him. Whitaker would not be able to manipulate
> Floyd and outbox him like he did most fighters. Floyd
> would get to Pernell because of the speed and then
> make the power shots count. Think about it and the
> knockouts Floyd has had. You never saw Whitaker
> deliver punishment to any of his opponents like that.
> Always a case of outboxing them and getting decision.
> Whitaker was a great boxer but against a smaller man
> Floyd could be devastating.
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> Edited by dougeedoug at 09/04/2008 7:08 AM PDT
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> Edited by dougeedoug at 09/04/2008 7:09 AM PDT
You are also acting like Pernell would be very easy to hit...Mayweather would have had worlds of trouble hitting him with his crouching tiger, hidden boxer style! Power would have nothing to do with this fight, but I would agree that Sweet Pea would be troubled with fighting someone in his speed class. If you think about it, Pernell always out-sped most of his opponents...I'm trying to think back to the fastest guy that he fought...and it's hard to recall (but I am sure that he had a lot to do with the seeming lack of speed lol).
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Re: Hypothetical question regarding Pernell Whitaker
Sep 14, 2008 12:02 AM
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sweet pea would win. Mayweather had trouble with leftys.sweet pea could crack when he needed to. he did briefly floor oscar and the ko od hurtado was amazing.
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Re: Hypothetical question regarding Pernell Whitaker
Sep 12, 2008 5:33 PM
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thanks jaun. your alright. jabs sucks balls!
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Re: Hypothetical question regarding Pernell Whitaker
Sep 9, 2008 7:29 PM
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> good point. both would try to win rounds by seeing
> who could throw the least amount of punches. that
> might be the lowest compubox output in history.
Funny!!!!
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Re: Hypothetical question regarding Pernell Whitaker
Sep 8, 2008 6:01 PM
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good point. both would try to win rounds by seeing who could throw the least amount of punches. that might be the lowest compubox output in history.
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Re: Hypothetical question regarding Pernell Whitaker
Sep 6, 2008 12:36 PM
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FUNNY YAH......BORING HELLS YAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Re: Hypothetical question regarding Pernell Whitaker
Sep 5, 2008 2:10 PM
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> > Whitaker and Mayweather has historical written
> all
> > over it. Pernell was never able to do at WW what
> he
> > did at jrWW same can be said about floyd. If
> they
> > fought at 140 I think it would have been a
> great
> > fight with Floyd pulling out a Decision.
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> Two defensive fighters going toe to toe. It has
> history written all over it.
I think it would've been funny to watch them both get frustrated for the first time.
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Re: Hypothetical question regarding Pernell Whitaker
Sep 5, 2008 12:55 PM
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> Whitaker and Mayweather has historical written all
> over it. Pernell was never able to do at WW what he
> did at jrWW same can be said about floyd. If they
> fought at 140 I think it would have been a great
> fight with Floyd pulling out a Decision.
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> tan.the.man24@hotmail.com
Two defensive fighters going toe to toe. It has history written all over it.
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Re: Hypothetical question regarding Pernell Whitaker
Sep 5, 2008 12:35 AM
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Whitaker and Mayweather has historical written all over it. Pernell was never able to do at WW what he did at jrWW same can be said about floyd. If they fought at 140 I think it would have been a great fight with Floyd pulling out a Decision.
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Re: Hypothetical question regarding Pernell Whitaker
Sep 5, 2008 12:31 AM
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I guess when i say punish i mean hit over and over with damaging blows. He knocked Corrales down five times. Ya, he wanted to keep going trouble was he could not stay on his feet cause he kept getting knocked down. I guess that is one example and gatti was another. He did not just beat Gatti, he beat the crap out of him. I just think FLoyd is much stronger than Pernell was and that would have been the difference cause al other attributes were about even.
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