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Many questioned if Pacquiao would be able to have the same success at a higher weight, I think that question has been answered. The questions that remain are have we seen the best of Pacquiao yet? Will we see him face Hatton eventually at a higher weight and is he possibly the best P4P boxer in the sport?
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Re: Pacquiao put on the weight and all his explosiveness and speed carried over
Jul 19, 2008 11:51 PM
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> hitking60, I started to agree with your analysis, it
> does make sense. I could see a non-stop chasing fight
> from round-1 then Mayweather getting run out of gas
> and flat tire on round-10 up to the end of 12th.
> Result: Pacman by UD
I don't think Mayweather runs out of gas, I just think Pacquaio could outhustle him. Mayweather gets a bad rap for being a runner, but he actually stands in front of people and makes them miss with upperbody movements than he does with leg movement. I think that if Pac were to pull of the upset it would be because Money tends to stand and look to counter his opponents and that leads to a lot of inactivity in the ring. I feel Pac's hands are fast enough to press Money when he's standing and waiting and land some punches. I would compare this fight to the first de la Hoya-Mosley fight. de la Hoya, like Mayweather, is a fast guy and those guys seem to have trouble with guys that are a little faster.
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Re: Pacquiao put on the weight and all his explosiveness and speed carried over
Jul 19, 2008 11:26 PM
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> I think the way
> to beat Mayweather is to get him in there with a guy
> as fast or faster than himself. Mayweather is a
> defensive genius, and his reflexes are second to
> none. He would see everything a guy like Cotto would
> try to do, probaly before Cotto actually did it. But
> with Pacquaio, I think his hands are fast enough to
> throw Mayweather's timing off enough to land against
> him. People tend to forget that the most anxious
> moments of Mayweather's career has again fasthanded
> southpaws, Judah and Corley. And there is no more
> fasthanded southpaw in the game than Pacman.
hitking60, I started to agree with your analysis, it does make sense. I could see a non-stop chasing fight from round-1 then Mayweather getting run out of gas and flat tire on round-10 up to the end of 12th. Result: Pacman by UD
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Re: Pacquiao put on the weight and all his explosiveness and speed carried over
Jul 19, 2008 11:33 AM
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> >Mayweather-Pacquaio has been my dream fight for
> years. >I know it sounds silly, but I would give Pac
> a decent chance against Money.
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> Man that is also my dream fight .
> I say Floyds Defense is the best in the game .
> And, his speed is right there with Pacquiao and
> probably has more power to go with it.
> I would have to analyze that on for awile
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> Edited by dj30 at 07/18/2008 11:42 PM PDT
I've been analyzing this fight for a while now. Floyd Mayweather is the best fighter I've seen, but I think people have the wrong formula for beating Mayweather. People tend to think that because his lone close fight was against a guy that kinda muscled him, that's the way to beat him. But what people forget Mayweather was a 130 pounder coming up facing a Castillo who probaly should have been fighting at welterweight. Just like with de la Hoya, the size was just a lot for him to overcome. I think the way to beat Mayweather is to get him in there with a guy as fast or faster than himself. Mayweather is a defensive genius, and his reflexes are second to none. He would see everything a guy like Cotto would try to do, probaly before Cotto actually did it. But with Pacquaio, I think his hands are fast enough to throw Mayweather's timing off enough to land against him. People tend to forget that the most anxious moments of Mayweather's career has again fasthanded southpaws, Judah and Corley. And there is no more fasthanded southpaw in the game than Pacman.
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Re: Pacquiao put on the weight and all his explosiveness and speed carried over
Jul 19, 2008 11:07 AM
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> HitKing.,How do you call the fight between Oscar and
> Pacquiao.
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> I'm saying PacMan puts on a clinic
Not quite sure. Sure, Pac has looked spectacular and de la Hoya looks finished. But de la Hoya is sooo much bigger than Pac it has to mean something. In my opinion he fact that Pac is competing as a lightweight is incredible, I just don't know how far he can go up the ladder. I mean de la Hoya is a solid 154 lb fighter and I believe Pac could still make featherweight. I definately think Pac could outhustle, but one left hook and I think Pac's lights go out.
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Re: Pacquiao put on the weight and all his explosiveness and speed carried over
Jul 19, 2008 10:28 AM
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> > We can all gauge DLH's career on the basis of
> > fighting smaller men. Instead of fighting the
> winner
> > of the Cotto/Margarito. That would definately
> put him
> > in the wuss category.
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> Not really. de la Hoya fought most of the top guys
> in the divisions he fought in durning his career,
> going from 130 all the way up to middleweight. He
> hasn't made a career out of picking on little guys.
> And if the Pacquaio fight happends his last two big
> g fights would have been against guys rated #1 P4P,
> and in the biggest fight the sport could offer.
> That's pretty impressive to me.
Let's not forget Pacquiao began his boxing career at Jr. Flyweight; whereas DLH began his at lightweight. It doesn't impress me any, if the fight were to take place. It doesn't matter, how anyone slices it. Pacquiao is the smaller man in statue, reach and weightclass. DLH fighting at a higher weightclass doesn't make it right. Beating on a smaller man is the easy wayout. What kind of legacy is that, if he were to lose to a smaller man? Again, the fight that needs to take place, is the winner of the Cotto/Margarito. Any other fight doesn't interest me. A Trinidad/DLH rematch is of little interest. Who would like to watch a rematch, that is 9yrs. overdue? Not too many do but I hate to say it, I'm one of them. 
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Re: Pacquiao put on the weight and all his explosiveness and speed carried over
Jul 19, 2008 3:32 AM
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> My firs post people!  Just couldnt help but reply.
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> I dont think he was angry. He was just probably
> dissappointed that a fellow Filipino could not see
> the achievements of Pacquiao and how he became one of
> the best boxers in the world right now.
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> Some people even say he is an oddity (in a positive
> way) with his boxing skills. But if you, his own
> countryman, couldnt even see this talent, then more
> and more people would really feel sorry for you. Even
> non-Filipinos would.
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Exactly, that's what I meant to say.
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Jul 19, 2008 3:26 AM
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> Mayweather-Pacquaio has been my dream fight for
> years. I know it sounds silly, but I would give Pac
> a decent chance against Money.
Oh man, when that happen, it's gonna be a big bang in boxing world. We will be witnessing a non-stop chasing fight on a ring-highway. Drag Racer Money vs Police Trooper Manny, LOL!
My prediction: Pacman by UD
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Jul 19, 2008 2:41 AM
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>Mayweather-Pacquaio has been my dream fight for years. >I know it sounds silly, but I would give Pac a decent chance against Money.
Man that is also my dream fight .
I say Floyds Defense is the best in the game .
And, his speed is right there with Pacquiao and probably has more power to go with it.
I would have to analyze that on for awile
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Jul 19, 2008 2:36 AM
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HitKing.,How do you call the fight between Oscar and Pacquiao.
I'm saying PacMan puts on a clinic
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Jul 19, 2008 2:15 AM
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> Something tells me that if there is one fighter in
> the world to bring Mayweather out of retirement, it's
> Manny Pacquiao, IF he beats DeLaHoya. What a
> remainder of the year we as boxing fans have to look
> forward to, with the release of all the newly
> upcoming matches and news lately that will continue
> to shape boxing into next year, making the prospects
> so exciting and intriguing.
Mayweather-Pacquaio has been my dream fight for years. I know it sounds silly, but I would give Pac a decent chance against Money.
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Re: Pacquiao put on the weight and all his explosiveness and speed carried over
Jul 19, 2008 2:13 AM
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> We can all gauge DLH's career on the basis of
> fighting smaller men. Instead of fighting the winner
> of the Cotto/Margarito. That would definately put him
> in the wuss category.
Not really. de la Hoya fought most of the top guys in the divisions he fought in durning his career, going from 130 all the way up to middleweight. He hasn't made a career out of picking on little guys. And if the Pacquaio fight happends his last two big fights would have been against guys rated #1 P4P, and in the biggest fight the sport could offer. That's pretty impressive to me.
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Jul 18, 2008 3:59 PM
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Something tells me that if there is one fighter in the world to bring Mayweather out of retirement, it's Manny Pacquiao, IF he beats DeLaHoya. What a remainder of the year we as boxing fans have to look forward to, with the release of all the newly upcoming matches and news lately that will continue to shape boxing into next year, making the prospects so exciting and intriguing.
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Re: Pacquiao put on the weight and all his explosiveness and speed carried over
Jul 18, 2008 3:52 PM
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> Wow!!! de la Hoya needs a good opponenet for his
> "finale", and Pacman could certainly fit the bill.
> de la Hoya could close out his career saying he
> e fought the last two guys who were rated #1 P4P, and
> this fight could turn Pac into a megastar. Even
> though de la Hoya is past his prime, the fact that he
> would be a legitimate 154 pounder fighting a guy that
> could probaly still make featherweight would be
> interesting. And the fact that Pac isn't the boxer
> that Mayweather is, I would give de la Hoya a decent
> chance of winning.
We can all gauge DLH's career on the basis of fighting smaller men. Instead of fighting the winner of the Cotto/Margarito. That would definately put him in the wuss category.
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Jul 18, 2008 3:32 PM
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Wow!!! de la Hoya needs a good opponenet for his "finale", and Pacman could certainly fit the bill. de la Hoya could close out his career saying he fought the last two guys who were rated #1 P4P, and this fight could turn Pac into a megastar. Even though de la Hoya is past his prime, the fact that he would be a legitimate 154 pounder fighting a guy that could probaly still make featherweight would be interesting. And the fact that Pac isn't the boxer that Mayweather is, I would give de la Hoya a decent chance of winning.
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