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After hearing the controversy over Margarito's hand wraps and the illegal hardening substance within his wraps, which required him to get re-wrapped three times, do you think Margarito got away with it against Cotto? It's so interesting how Hopkins trainer found this once before with another fighter. Shouldn't The people watching hands get wrapped be trained to pick up on this?
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Re: Do you think Margarito cheated to beat Cotto?
Mar 4, 2009 11:11 AM
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Cotto never in his life fought at 160. Everytime I see him at fight night he's right around the weight he came in at the time of the weigh in. Now that people see the kind of cheaters Cotto's fought recently they rather find any little thing to bring Cotto down rather then give him his props. The one's bringing this up must be all them damn Margarito fans thats been in hiding ever since dude got caught cheating then got whooped by another proven cheater. All this is just making Cotto look better and better.
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Re: Do you think Margarito cheated to beat Cotto?
Mar 4, 2009 9:34 AM
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oh, save the weight drained issue. Cotto was comin in at 20+ pounds for a PURPOSE.......To WIN. .....And, ain't nobody gotta know rocket science to figure that out >>>>
How is it cheating if you are fighting at junior welter and weigh in at 140 or less? (pre-fight weight). Is there a cap as to how much a fighter should weigh come fight night? Leave the rocket science out, it does not take nearly as much to figure out that is not cheating and that loading one's gloves is indeed cheating at any weight.
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Re: Do you think Margarito cheated to beat Cotto?
Mar 4, 2009 5:15 AM
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>With all
> this corruption Its a shame a hard working warrior
> like Cotto gets overlooked and cheaters get placed
> ahead of him in the rankings.
ummmmm, are we talkin about the same Miguel Cotto who use to fight at junior welterweight 15- 20lbs heavier than he was suppose to?
If Cotto ain't a cheat, then who is. Cotto is right where he belongs.
oh, save the weight drained issue. Cotto was comin in at 20+ pounds for a PURPOSE.......To WIN. .....And, ain't nobody gotta know rocket science to figure that out
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Re: Do you think Margarito cheated to beat Cotto?
Mar 4, 2009 2:54 AM
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> Ayo whats all this nonsense I see in the top 10 p4p
> list. Cotto is #10 and Mosely is #4? WTF!!! Mosley
> lost to Cotto in a great fight but still, the fact
> remains that he LOST that fight fair and square.
> Mosley, an admitted cheater and balco experiment beat
> a guy thats been using gloves laced with cement and
> now all of the sudden he leap frogs Cotto by 6 spots
> thats some fugazi ass sh*t. Everybody knows Margs
> cheated against Cotto so why even count any of the
> fights he ever had, even the one when he got his ass
> whooped for not having his rocks wit em. As for
> Mosely, I think he's still juicing, who the hell
> fights at this level at this weight at his age. I bet
> there are a few untraceable strands of hgh coursing
> his veins as we speak. Just look at how his neck
> veins bulge when he throws shots. Scientists will
> always find ways to disguise stuff like roids till
> the next improved version of the roids test comes out
> again, then they're back in the lab. There was a time
> when Mosley was 35-0 with 33 ko's and best believe he
> was juiced up during those fights. Thats even before
> he was caught during his fight with Oscar. With all
> this corruption Its a shame a hard working warrior
> like Cotto gets overlooked and cheaters get placed
> ahead of him in the rankings.
It's like the NCAA tourney selection process; beating someone head-to-head does not mean you are necessarily more accomplished than them overall. If you look at Mosley's career, he's accomplished more than Cotto and Winky Wright and Vernon Forrest (two men he lost to twice). I have to assume that that's the logic here.
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I Agree with you mosley does not deserve to be in that spot on top of cotto when he has a lost against cotto.I also do not understand why mosley never got suspended for what he did against oscar that he admitted using roids. He should be suspended for admitting he cheated. His performance against margarito i have a feeling he used roids because he looked strong with lots of speed when he was in his 20's. If he used roids before why not used it against margarito right as his most important fight at this stage of his career against a strong man like margarito.
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Re: Do you think Margarito cheated to beat Cotto?
Mar 3, 2009 11:21 PM
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> Ayo whats all this nonsense I see in the top 10 p4p
> list. Cotto is #10 and Mosely is #4? WTF!!! Mosley
> lost to Cotto in a great fight but still, the fact
> remains that he LOST that fight fair and square.
> Mosley, an admitted cheater and balco experiment beat
> a guy thats been using gloves laced with cement and
> now all of the sudden he leap frogs Cotto by 6 spots
> thats some fugazi ass sh*t. Everybody knows Margs
> cheated against Cotto so why even count any of the
> fights he ever had, even the one when he got his ass
> whooped for not having his rocks wit em. As for
> Mosely, I think he's still juicing, who the hell
> fights at this level at this weight at his age. I bet
> there are a few untraceable strands of hgh coursing
> his veins as we speak. Just look at how his neck
> veins bulge when he throws shots. Scientists will
> always find ways to disguise stuff like roids till
> the next improved version of the roids test comes out
> again, then they're back in the lab. There was a time
> when Mosley was 35-0 with 33 ko's and best believe he
> was juiced up during those fights. Thats even before
> he was caught during his fight with Oscar. With all
> this corruption Its a shame a hard working warrior
> like Cotto gets overlooked and cheaters get placed
> ahead of him in the rankings.
It's like the NCAA tourney selection process; beating someone head-to-head does not mean you are necessarily more accomplished than them overall. If you look at Mosley's career, he's accomplished more than Cotto and Winky Wright and Vernon Forrest (two men he lost to twice). I have to assume that that's the logic here.
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Re: Do you think Margarito cheated to beat Cotto?
Mar 3, 2009 6:57 PM
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Yeah, that makes sense Mannmann...I think you've influence my view on the p4p thing...it makes sense that it should be based on what a fighter is currently doing...but what about when you look at the ol' school cats...like SRL, SRR, Duran and all those guys. I am in total agreeance that to me, like you, there's no way that Mosley should be ranked as high as he is...but do you think that its because of the title he currently holds? I am also stunned that Vic hasn't cracked the top 10 yet either...that dude is very deserving to be in the top 10.
I don't see one loss (for Cotto) puts him that far down in the rankings. I mean, the dude lost to a tough guy (even if those of you are saying he cheated...whatever). I see Cotto as top 5 still.
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Re: Do you think Margarito cheated to beat Cotto?
Mar 3, 2009 6:45 PM
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p4p should be on some what have you done for me lately. Mosely isn't above Cotto-not on my list. Mosely looked like garbage vs Mayorga-then he had a great night against a face 1st fighter.
If you have the skill/will-guys like Marg is basically given you the fight. Granted I still like Marg cause he comes to fight-but I'm tired of some guys being able to beat 1 guy and BAM-their top 10-then you have other guys like Vic that's handing out asswhoopns and he barely cracks the top 20-it's crazy.
Mosely's career as a whole-that's crap-if that's so-then Jones should still be p4p. I mean Mosely looked like he should've been a 4 to 1 underdog going into the fight-I just don't get it. Winky Wright hasn't won a fight in how long-some still has the guy in the top 5-I mean come on. Oh yeah-I hope Mosely doesn't let his soon to be exwife bring him down-I don't even know the chick and never liked her.
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Re: Do you think Margarito cheated to beat Cotto?
Mar 3, 2009 6:06 PM
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Mr908
I think that most of the reason as to why Mosley is being ranked #4 is because they're looking at his over all career IMO. Eventhough I think Cotto should be in that place instead of Mosley. But, in reality, how many divisions has Cotto really ruled and dominated? Please don't misinterperet what I'm trying to say and start saying that I'm a Cotto hater again...I'm simply stating the facts. I don't think they base the p4p rankings based on your last performance or your last couple of performances...I think it has to do with longevity and time frame of dominance IMO. I may be wrong. The reason I believe that Cotto should be further up in the rankings is because of exactly what you stated...a cheater shouldn't be allowed to be ranked in the p4p category...but there is no proof that he's still juicing up, even though he did do it before. You can't keep accusing people of still doing something when there's no proof man. I mean, do you think that if OJ was still being accused of killing his exwife...eventually a judge would finally say "WELL DAMN AFTER SO MANY ACCUSATIONS I THINK I'm FINALLY GOING TO PUT HIM IN JAIL". C'mon man.
Cbee
If Margarito were to fight before his suspension is up, I think the boxing athletic comissions of the USA should then enforce a lifetime ban. At the same time that was never a stipulation placed by the BC. I think the BC should've placed that stipulation during their ruling. They should've said, "revocation of license in the US and you may not have any kind of boxing/fighting competition in which you benefit monetarily."
(see if he would fight for free in Mexico) LOL
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Re: Do you think Margarito cheated to beat Cotto?
Mar 3, 2009 10:50 AM
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Ayo whats all this nonsense I see in the top 10 p4p list. Cotto is #10 and Mosely is #4? WTF!!! Mosley lost to Cotto in a great fight but still, the fact remains that he LOST that fight fair and square. Mosley, an admitted cheater and balco experiment beat a guy thats been using gloves laced with cement and now all of the sudden he leap frogs Cotto by 6 spots thats some fugazi ass sh*t. Everybody knows Margs cheated against Cotto so why even count any of the fights he ever had, even the one when he got his ass whooped for not having his rocks wit em. As for Mosely, I think he's still juicing, who the hell fights at this level at this weight at his age. I bet there are a few untraceable strands of hgh coursing his veins as we speak. Just look at how his neck veins bulge when he throws shots. Scientists will always find ways to disguise stuff like roids till the next improved version of the roids test comes out again, then they're back in the lab. There was a time when Mosley was 35-0 with 33 ko's and best believe he was juiced up during those fights. Thats even before he was caught during his fight with Oscar. With all this corruption Its a shame a hard working warrior like Cotto gets overlooked and cheaters get placed ahead of him in the rankings.
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Re: Do you think Margarito cheated to beat Cotto?
Mar 3, 2009 7:56 AM
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Evangelista said he didnīt see anything in the hand wrapping because he didnīt see it, the same way the commission said they didnīt see nothing illegal few minutes before AM got caught, the same way N.Richardson didnīt see the plaster until it fell out. Team Cotto do believe AM cheated, but wonīt say anything, cause it is impossible to prove (but he did talk to his lawyer about it). And wonīt comment anything else in the subject if they canīt prove it. And if they found dried blood in the illegal pads means he used them before... do you think it was with his sparring partner or the biggest fight of his life? Why use them again? Cause the pads worked and they didnīt got caught. As they see it, the only mistake was getting caught.
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Re: Do you think Margarito cheated to beat Cotto?
Mar 2, 2009 10:41 PM
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what do you think should happen to Margarito if he fights before re-applying for a liscense?
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Re: Do you think Margarito cheated to beat Cotto?
Mar 2, 2009 9:04 PM
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I'll never be one to konck Cotto. For me it couldn't have been said better than Cotto himself said it. Margarito was simply better than me that night.
MESWEL,
I think if Margo comes back and Cotto beats him in a year...it could be a bit of both. Margo could be a bit rusty and Cotto will defenitely be better as a fighter and have better preperation for that fight in particular. However, Margo has been suspended from fighting but he hasn't been suspended from working out and keeping in top shape. He's always been known for his conditioning and his stamina...so that shouldn't go away even with the year off.
All in all, I say the rematch happens and more than likely we'll see a rubber match....I'll go on paper and say Cotto wins the rematch and then all the fans get treated to a good 'ol "Rubber Match" between two of Sports biggest rivalries...Margarito of Mexico vs Cotto of Puerto Rico. Just to be fair and to let Cotto have an advantage for all the rumors of Margo cheating in their fight...let them fight in New York or Puerto Rico for their rematch and if a rubber match is needed....let them fight it in Vegas.
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Re: Do you think Margarito cheated to beat Cotto?
Mar 2, 2009 8:19 PM
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> First off, CBEE, I know how to read...and I can
> clearly see the name of this thread. So, save what
> you think has to be your job of "pointing out the
> obvious". There's too many on here who already are
> fighting for the title of Mr. Pointing out the
> Obvious role.
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> I am a big fan, but I have never neglected the fact
> that Margo was caught trying to cheat. Ok, the man
> has been handed down his sentence. Do you we think
> his sentence was fair? Most of us (myself included)
> think not. I don't think a year is enough for what he
> attempted to do and was caught. When I talk about the
> proof...I'm talking about the Cotto fight. In case
> you guys were wondering...read the rest of my posts
> s instead of just one. Look, read and decide what I
> was trying to say in the rest of my postings. Quit
> being ignorant, quit trying to piont out the obvious
> and quit repeating yourself. That's all I'm saying,
> what else is there to say about this topic?
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> He was caught against Mosley. People would love to
> assume that he cheated against Cotto, Cintron and
> Clottey. I've stated my case a couple of times but
> you can't argue with ignorance. I've learned that
> through this thread. There are some people with sense
> in here though, I'm not dogging any of you who I've
> had intelligent and respectful arguments with. I'm
> directing this one to those individuals who like to
> be disresepctful and those who like to POINT OUT THE
> OBVIOUS.
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> I've said it before, I've lost respect for Margarito
> but a true fan does not abondon his guy or his team
> over a mistake...no matter how big the mistake. Now,
> he's been caught, I can only hope he learns from his
> mistake and he switches things up within his camp.
> If, for whatever reason he doesn't and the same thing
> was to reoccur...I would oficially be done with
> Margarito. Until then, I'm still a fan. And for those
> of you who claim to have been a Margarito fan for a
> long time, and have now turned your back on him...you
> were never a true fan because like I said...you don't
> abodon your team or one of your faovrite fighters
> over a mistake...even if its a big one (like what
> Margo did).
some of ya are funny as sh$&! ya can talk all the crap ya want about Cotto and how this and that but when people knock some of ya fighters like the cheater all of a sudden we the haters? Margarito got "CAUGHT CHEATING" so its safe to assume that he has done it before(especially since the plaster wraps he got caught with had what appeared to be dried blood on them).but ya use that "we fans and forgive him %#^ to knock Cotto!
TO BEAT COTTO YOU GOTTA COME WITH BRICKS IN YA GLOVES!!!
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Re: Do you think Margarito cheated to beat Cotto?
Mar 2, 2009 6:24 PM
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A question for the Future. so please someone answer me this. If cotto beat margarito big time a year from now, will it be because cotto is better or is it because margarito was rusty. We have seen great fighters take a year off and come back great and we have seem some come back and not look to good and win. So what is everyone take on that
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Re: Do you think Margarito cheated to beat Cotto?
Mar 2, 2009 6:20 PM
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I do agree in part what the Margarito fans are, saying , we can give him another chance. But in my opinion I would forigive him, if he admited that he cheated or try to cheat in the mosley fight. No sane human being would say they cheated in there other fights unless there was guilt behind it. Which I doubt Margarito has,since he tried to cheat in the Mosley fight. But Margarito has to earn total respect after a year with the same performances he had before he got caught cheating. If he does than we can all say he only cheated once, if he doesnt and looks as bad as he did againts mosley than the verdict is out. He is guilty. For sure.
By the way Cotto said he thinks no one should fight Margarito untill the suspension is up, then his fight with Margarito should happen.
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