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After hearing the controversy over Margarito's hand wraps and the illegal hardening substance within his wraps, which required him to get re-wrapped three times, do you think Margarito got away with it against Cotto? It's so interesting how Hopkins trainer found this once before with another fighter. Shouldn't The people watching hands get wrapped be trained to pick up on this?
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Re: Do you think Margarito cheated to beat Cotto?
Mar 2, 2009 6:11 PM
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Well, ART...
I also saw that one interview with Evangelista Cotto on Republica Deportiva. I've seen a couple of other interviews with Cotto after the Margo fight. Some recently after their bout and some after the discovery prior to the Mosley fight. All in all, Cotto has said many times, Margarito was simply better than me on that night.
I don't think Cotto is necessairly denying a rematch with Margarito though. I think its still a bit too fresh in his head and his mind would play games on him if he were to fight Margarito next. I think Cotto has bounced back from that defeat but I think Cotto needs to recover his confidence 100 percent. His skills didn't diminish and his heart didn't diminish but I think his confidence suffered a bit more. I'm sure after he beats Clottey and/or Mosley...Cotto will be 100 percent ready for a rematch against Margarito and by that time Margarito's suspension will be up.
As far as to why Margarito was suspended, its because of the illegal wraps on the Mosley fight...that proves nothing about the fight with Cotto. All it proves is t hat he attempted to get away with it against Mosley (which by no means is right). Margarito will serve his time suspended and will come back when his time is up, depending on who grants him a license...he might have a good chance at Cotto when he comes back. I'm sure that'll be his first fight...so for you folks who think his punishment isn't enough right now...Just imagine...he will be laid off for a year and when he does come back (if he does) his first task will be none other than one of Puerto Ricos' finest...Miguel Angel Cotto.
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Re: Do you think Margarito cheated to beat Cotto?
Mar 2, 2009 5:53 PM
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WOW. NOW I AM A CLOWN? HAVE A LITTLE MORE RESPECT MAN. I DO NOT AGREE WITH SOME OF YOU THAT HE CHEATED WITH COTTO THAT IS WHAT IT IS BECAUSE IF MARGARITO CHEATED WITH COTTO WHY DID COTTO'S TRAINNER HAD AN INTERVIEW ON SPANISH SHOW SAYING HE DID NOT SEE ANY UNUSUAL SUBSTANCE ON HIS HAND WRAPS. HE SAID THIS"HIS HAND WRAPS LOOK GOOD TO ME, NO ILLEGAL HANDWRAPS" YOU PEOPLE JUST WANT TO SAY WHAT YOU WANT TO HEAR, BUT DO NOT KNOW ANYTHING ELSE BECUASE YOU DO NOT WATCH THE SPANISH NETWORKS, SO YOU ARE MISSING ON ALOT OF FATCTS. I KNOW MOST OF YOU BELIEVE WHAT YOU SEE ON ESPN OR ANY OTHER SPORTS CHANNEL NETWORK, BUT THAT IS NOT ENOUGHT BECAUSE YOU ARE MISSING ON THE REAL FACT WITH VIDEO INTERVIEWS ON EVANGELISTA (COTTO'S TRAINNER) SAID. IF YOU DO NOT BELIEVE ME WHY DONT YOU DO SOME RESEARCH ON A SPANISH NETWORK AND SEE IT WITH YOUR OWN EYES. EVANGELISTA( COTTOS TRAINNER) HAD AN INTERVIEW ON A POPULAR SPANISH NETWORK CALLED "REPUBLICA DEPORTIVA" ON UNIVISION LOOK IT UP UNDER THE BOXEO ICON AND YOU WILL SEE A BUNCH OF INTERVIEWS. THERES ALSO AN INTERVIEW THAT MARGARITO HAD AND SAID HE IS WILLING TO TRAVEL TO PUERTO RICO AND GIVE COTTO A REMATCH WHERE HE IS NOT SUSPENDED YET, AND COTTOS WOULD NOT ACCEPT THE REMATCH .IF COTTO'S FAN ARE SO CONFIDENT THAT HE DID NOT LOOSE CLEANLY AGAINST MARGARITO WHY DOES HE DENIED A REMATCH ANYWHERE BUT THE U.S.A WHERE MARGARITO IS NOT SUSPENDED?
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Re: Do you think Margarito cheated to beat Cotto?
Mar 2, 2009 4:59 PM
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> > People who are still fans (like me) = THERES NO
> > PROOF/EVIDENCE
> > People who are in between = Don't really care
> either
> > way but will occasionally accuse Mosley of
> still
> > using.
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> well guess what buddy,this thread is called -Do you
> think Margarito cheated to beat Cotto? So you will
> have to hear people talk about it!
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> Obviously you are such a big Margarito fan that you
> wont even acknowledge that that he got caught with
> loaded wraps on one hand and almost got away with it
> if not for the fact that they wet his wraps prior to
> the fight (with mosley)but got caught!
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I agree 100% and to add to that cbee1- Pure LOGIC - If there is no evidence that Margarito cheated then why is he suspended for one year??
Why would his trainer admit to trying to put an "ILLEGAL" substance in Margo's hand wraps??
If there is no evidence why can't Margo just file a lawsuit against the sanctioning bodies for illegally suspending him? Logic sure is not without a sense of irony for some people.
A "mistake" is not the same as intentionally trying to hurt or maim someone for life.
The only reason that "mistake" will NEVER happen again is because Margo and his team will now be watched closely otherwise it is something that they would do if they could get away with it - this is the same with all these baseball players who only admit to something once they are caught (read A-Rod etc etc). So it was not a mistake what they did. What they did was criminal and intentional
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Re: Do you think Margarito cheated to beat Cotto?
Mar 2, 2009 4:26 PM
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First off, CBEE, I know how to read...and I can clearly see the name of this thread. So, save what you think has to be your job of "pointing out the obvious". There's too many on here who already are fighting for the title of Mr. Pointing out the Obvious role.
I am a big fan, but I have never neglected the fact that Margo was caught trying to cheat. Ok, the man has been handed down his sentence. Do you we think his sentence was fair? Most of us (myself included) think not. I don't think a year is enough for what he attempted to do and was caught. When I talk about the proof...I'm talking about the Cotto fight. In case you guys were wondering...read the rest of my posts instead of just one. Look, read and decide what I was trying to say in the rest of my postings. Quit being ignorant, quit trying to piont out the obvious and quit repeating yourself. That's all I'm saying, what else is there to say about this topic?
He was caught against Mosley. People would love to assume that he cheated against Cotto, Cintron and Clottey. I've stated my case a couple of times but you can't argue with ignorance. I've learned that through this thread. There are some people with sense in here though, I'm not dogging any of you who I've had intelligent and respectful arguments with. I'm directing this one to those individuals who like to be disresepctful and those who like to POINT OUT THE OBVIOUS.
I've said it before, I've lost respect for Margarito but a true fan does not abondon his guy or his team over a mistake...no matter how big the mistake. Now, he's been caught, I can only hope he learns from his mistake and he switches things up within his camp. If, for whatever reason he doesn't and the same thing was to reoccur...I would oficially be done with Margarito. Until then, I'm still a fan. And for those of you who claim to have been a Margarito fan for a long time, and have now turned your back on him...you were never a true fan because like I said...you don't abodon your team or one of your faovrite fighters over a mistake...even if its a big one (like what Margo did).
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Re: Do you think Margarito cheated to beat Cotto?
Mar 2, 2009 11:59 AM
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> I'm done talking about this topic man....there was a
> fight this past Saturday that deserves more attention
> than Margarito cheating.
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> Wether or not he cheated against Cotto, what does it
> matter dude...Cotto has accepted his defeat and has
> moved on from it...why can't other people? Let Margo
> serve his suspension, let him come back and fight
> Cotto again and see what happens. Until then, I'm
> done talking about this.
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> Everyone is starting to sound like a broken record.
> People who hate Margo = HE CHEATED PERIOD, HE SHOULD
> BE BANNED FOR LIFE
> People who are still fans (like me) = THERES NO
> PROOF/EVIDENCE
> People who are in between = Don't really care either
> way but will occasionally accuse Mosley of still
> using.
well guess what buddy,this thread is called -Do you think Margarito cheated to beat Cotto? So you will have to hear people talk about it!
Obviously you are such a big Margarito fan that you wont even acknowledge that that he got caught with loaded wraps on one hand and almost got away with it if not for the fact that they wet his wraps prior to the fight (with mosley)but got caught!
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Re: Do you think Margarito cheated to beat Cotto?
Mar 2, 2009 10:13 AM
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> I'm done talking about this topic man....there was a
> fight this past Saturday that deserves more attention
> than Margarito cheating.
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> Wether or not he cheated against Cotto, what does it
> matter dude...Cotto has accepted his defeat and has
> moved on from it...why can't other people? Let Margo
> serve his suspension, let him come back and fight
> Cotto again and see what happens. Until then, I'm
> done talking about this.
>
> Everyone is starting to sound like a broken record.
> People who hate Margo = HE CHEATED PERIOD, HE SHOULD
> BE BANNED FOR LIFE
> People who are still fans (like me) = THERES NO
> PROOF/EVIDENCE
> People who are in between = Don't really care either
> way but will occasionally accuse Mosley of still
> using.
Getting caught in the Mosley fight is all the evidence I need 1mexicanfan
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Re: Do you think Margarito cheated to beat Cotto?
Mar 2, 2009 8:22 AM
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I'm done talking about this topic man....there was a fight this past Saturday that deserves more attention than Margarito cheating.
Wether or not he cheated against Cotto, what does it matter dude...Cotto has accepted his defeat and has moved on from it...why can't other people? Let Margo serve his suspension, let him come back and fight Cotto again and see what happens. Until then, I'm done talking about this.
Everyone is starting to sound like a broken record. People who hate Margo = HE CHEATED PERIOD, HE SHOULD BE BANNED FOR LIFE
People who are still fans (like me) = THERES NO PROOF/EVIDENCE
People who are in between = Don't really care either way but will occasionally accuse Mosley of still using.
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Re: Do you think Margarito cheated to beat Cotto?
Mar 2, 2009 3:21 AM
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Margarito is a cheater, every other boxer has already came out and said that they know the feeling of whats in their gloves. Meaning that it's not like he didn't know the plaster was in their.
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Re: Do you think Margarito cheated to beat Cotto?
Mar 1, 2009 11:07 PM
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> I personally think Margarito-based on being a
> longtime fan-is way too proud a warrior to
> intentionally risk cheating and would suspect he
> wasn't aware of any "loading" of his gloves.
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> Are you kidding me? He cheated. He got caught
> cheating againts Mosley. So how can he be too proud
> to cheat, but cheat anyway. He even lied about it. On
> espn he denied that they took anything hard away from
> his wraps. He said they only took the extra tape of
> his hands. Was he there. Was he not watching. Or did
> he turn his head so he would not see the flakes of
> plaster come out of his wraps, so he could deny he
> saw anything. Facts are facts he does a great
> dishonor to Mexican fans and Mexican boxers.
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> Edited by meswel at 03/01/2009 3:02 PM PST
I told you man, you're not gonna win an ARGUMENT WITH MAYWEATHER!! Hey hitking, I think the short bus is coming for you too!!
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Re: Do you think Margarito cheated to beat Cotto?
Mar 1, 2009 6:04 PM
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In my eyes after all that happened with the handwraps Miguel Cotto is still undefeated!! I think Margarito did have illegal handwraps and it is inconvenient for him to admit it is not like baseball where you can admit and it is cool. If you see the stage Cotto was left in. If you remember what happened the night of Margarito Moseley fight Margarito had one glove wrapped already. If Nazim Richardson didn't say anything the fighter and trainer would be ok with it. The trainer said he did not know. If he didn't know that time he never knew at all. Even after Nazim Richardson said it wasn't right some of the boxing commission didn't doubt it they thought the wraps were ok. So everyone needs to be more aware of how serious that is. He almost got away with it. What goes around comes around. Now Cotto has behave like a gentleman. It is not convenient for him to blame Margarito for the lost. He received the punishment already and can't really go back and prove it maybe is still unsure. If Cotto decides to fight Margarito in June it will favor Margarito than the punishment would be for nothing. The rematch should accure next year. Margarito is a shame for the sport. I believe any fighter that steps into a ring is a hero. Why because they put there health and lives on the line for what they love and cheating that is the opposite. So even the boxing commission was wrong Jan. 24 they were not aware. Miguel Cotto is a great champion.That is my opinion.
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Re: Do you think Margarito cheated to beat Cotto?
Mar 1, 2009 5:41 PM
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I personally think Margarito-based on being a longtime fan-is way too proud a warrior to intentionally risk cheating and would suspect he wasn't aware of any "loading" of his gloves.
Are you kidding me? He cheated. He got caught cheating againts Mosley. So how can he be too proud to cheat, but cheat anyway. He even lied about it. On espn he denied that they took anything hard away from his wraps. He said they only took the extra tape of his hands. Was he there. Was he not watching. Or did he turn his head so he would not see the flakes of plaster come out of his wraps, so he could deny he saw anything. Facts are facts he does a great dishonor to Mexican fans and Mexican boxers.
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Re: Do you think Margarito cheated to beat Cotto?
Mar 1, 2009 5:15 PM
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> Who is this CLOWN! We already have Mayweather on this
> site(hitking), now we got to deal with Margarito!!!.
> You did cheat. No if's and's or buts about it.O.J
> wasn't actually caught for his crime, but evidence
> proved elsewise. To post about Cotto not wanting a
> rematch, the guy is SUSPENDED. Let him do his year,
> then he'll talk about it.
Ahhh, I love my fans. As Buddy Rogers once told a young Cassius Clay, "Whether they come to see you win, or come to see you get killed. Its still $5 bucks in the seat."
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Re: Do you think Margarito cheated to beat Cotto?
Mar 1, 2009 5:09 PM
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> I AM A TRU MARGARITO FAN AND ALWAYS WILL BE. I KNOW
> MARGARITO DID NOT CHEAT WHEN HE FOUGHT COTTO BECAUSE
> COTTO'S UNCLE/TRAINNER EVEN SAID IT ON T.V THAT THERE
> WERE NEVER ANYTHING UNUSUAL ON MARGARITOS HAND WRAPS,
> SO HE IS BEING HONEST THAT MARGARITO BEAT COTTO
> CLEAN. I KNOW THERE IS A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO JUST GO BY
> WHAT THE MEDIA SAYS AND NEVER GO BY WHAT ARE THE
> FACTS. IF MARGARITO CHEATTED WHY DOESN'T COTTO WANT A
> REMATCH WITH HIM IF HE IS SO CONFIDENT THAT MARGARITO
> CHEATED? SOMEBODY ANSWER ME THIS QUESTION. FOR WHAT
> I KNOW MARGARITO WANTS A REMATCH WITH COTTO AND COTTO
> DOESS NOT WANT ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE TORNADO
> BECAUSE HE KNOWS HE GOT BEATEN CLEANLY.THERE ARE
> ALWAYS GOING TO BE RUMORS AND CERTAIN PEOPLE ARE
> ALWAYS GOING TO BELIEVE WHAT THEY HEAR WHY NOT GO BY
> THE TRUE FACTS AND START BELIEVING MARGARITO. THERE
> IS A CLIP ON YOU TUBE THAT SHOWS MARGARITO HANDWRAPS
> STILL LOOKS THE SAME AFTER A MONTH LATER BLOOD SPOTS
> AND REALLY SOFT LOOKING I WONDER WHY IT HAS NOT
> GOTTEN HARD.UMMMM MAYBE ALL THAT TALK ABOUT THE
> UNUSUAL SUBSTANCE HAS NOT DONE ITS JOB BECUASE THERE
> IS NOTHING THERE RIGHT? WELL I JUST HAVE TO SAY LETS
> BELIEVE THE FACTS NOT THE RUMORS.
Who is this CLOWN! We already have Mayweather on this site(hitking), now we got to deal with Margarito!!!. You did cheat. No if's and's or buts about it.O.J wasn't actually caught for his crime, but evidence proved elsewise. To post about Cotto not wanting a rematch, the guy is SUSPENDED. Let him do his year, then he'll talk about it.
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Re: Do you think Margarito cheated to beat Cotto?
Mar 1, 2009 10:55 AM
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> I AM A TRU MARGARITO FAN AND ALWAYS WILL BE. I KNOW
> MARGARITO DID NOT CHEAT WHEN HE FOUGHT COTTO BECAUSE
> COTTO'S UNCLE/TRAINNER EVEN SAID IT ON T.V THAT THERE
> WERE NEVER ANYTHING UNUSUAL ON MARGARITOS HAND WRAPS,
> SO HE IS BEING HONEST THAT MARGARITO BEAT COTTO
> CLEAN. I KNOW THERE IS A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO JUST GO BY
> WHAT THE MEDIA SAYS AND NEVER GO BY WHAT ARE THE
> FACTS. IF MARGARITO CHEATTED WHY DOESN'T COTTO WANT A
> REMATCH WITH HIM IF HE IS SO CONFIDENT THAT MARGARITO
> CHEATED? SOMEBODY ANSWER ME THIS QUESTION. FOR WHAT
> I KNOW MARGARITO WANTS A REMATCH WITH COTTO AND COTTO
> DOESS NOT WANT ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE TORNADO
> BECAUSE HE KNOWS HE GOT BEATEN CLEANLY.THERE ARE
> ALWAYS GOING TO BE RUMORS AND CERTAIN PEOPLE ARE
> ALWAYS GOING TO BELIEVE WHAT THEY HEAR WHY NOT GO BY
> THE TRUE FACTS AND START BELIEVING MARGARITO. THERE
> IS A CLIP ON YOU TUBE THAT SHOWS MARGARITO HANDWRAPS
> STILL LOOKS THE SAME AFTER A MONTH LATER BLOOD SPOTS
> AND REALLY SOFT LOOKING I WONDER WHY IT HAS NOT
> GOTTEN HARD.UMMMM MAYBE ALL THAT TALK ABOUT THE
> UNUSUAL SUBSTANCE HAS NOT DONE ITS JOB BECUASE THERE
> IS NOTHING THERE RIGHT? WELL I JUST HAVE TO SAY LETS
> BELIEVE THE FACTS NOT THE RUMORS.
The fact that you was,are and will continue to be a Margarito fan clouds your judgement!
Cotto is a stand up guy who isnt into excuses!
AND FYI Cotto already had the date set for a rematch with "plaster of tijuana"Margarito in june at the garden,But your boy(FACT)got caught trying to cheat against Mosley!
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Re: Do you think Margarito cheated to beat Cotto?
Mar 1, 2009 3:17 AM
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No. I don't think he cheated. Hand wraps are like casts as it is and I'm not real sure how much difference it would have made. About the only reason I can see him having a need is hand problems or maybe they just knew he wasn't at his best and lookin for the slightest edge?
He certainly was a different fighter that night all together than the one that beat Cotto-taking nothing away from Mosley. He's always been all balls and had a perfect fight plan for that style of fighter(credit due Hopkins' trainer Richardson) who specializes in that strategy(see Hopkins v Trinidad,Pavlik,Tarver)-maybe the most under-rated,un-credited and quiet trainers in the sport (and right now,just may be the best).
But I didn't see the same guy. Even when they were on the inside, he just wasn't digging for his shots like the usual Margarito-no short inside uppercuts,body shots, hooks and crosses from 4-6 inches,the kind that break bones ala Chavez/Duran-that you would norm ally see from him.
Now if they were stripping the horsehair out of the gloves? That would be a big deal.
Even if he did use that wrap vs Cotto-which I just don't see him getting this far without being caught before-I don't think the result would be different.
The problem for him now is that guys like him, once the one area he wasn't vulnerable-his chin-has been dented, they're usually done. If he losese confidence over this fight.......
But if he takes enough time to heal after two brutal wars, gets a couple wins with good comp(up to his management to find legit challenges made for him,i.e. Quintana or another Cintron type) and the re-match with Cotto will have the same result.
I personally think Margarito-based on being a longtime fan-is way too proud a warrior to intentionally risk cheating and would suspect he wasn't aware of any "loading" of his gloves. And after the Cotto fight, he went around the ring,gloves off-wraps on,in celebration.
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