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After hearing the controversy over Margarito's hand wraps and the illegal hardening substance within his wraps, which required him to get re-wrapped three times, do you think Margarito got away with it against Cotto? It's so interesting how Hopkins trainer found this once before with another fighter. Shouldn't The people watching hands get wrapped be trained to pick up on this?
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Re: Do you think Margarito cheated to beat Cotto?
Feb 10, 2009 10:24 PM
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California doesn't have the power to revoke Marge's license in the USA. only the federal governemnt can do that. THe article is mistaken. I am sure nevada, NY and New Jersey will follow suit, but its cause they choose to, not cause California said so.
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Bro, I'm sure that the article is pretty accurate. I'm sure they have professionals writing and editing the article and make sure that they are only stating facts and not mislead the public....at least on an issue such as this one.
If the case was such as you point out to be, the article would read like this instead:
His license has been revoked in the state of California which prevents him from boxing in the state previously mentioned. However, he is still allowed to fight in NV, NJ and NY if those respective states decide to do so.
I think that in this case we have to agree to disagree because I read what the article said clearly and strongly believe that with those people who write and edit those articles, the article must be accurate at least for the most part if not all of it.
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Re: Do you think Margarito cheated to beat Cotto?
Feb 10, 2009 9:47 PM
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> Of course, we agree that the lifetime ban would be
> fair if indeed they would've been used in the fight
> and later preceded to find the contents of the loaded
> gloves.
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> In the article I read it said this:
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> The California State Athletic Commission today
> voted unanimously to revoke former world welterweight
> boxing champion Antonio Margarito's license, and that
> of his trainer, for one year for having plaster-like
> substances on his hand wraps before his title fight
> against Shane Mosley.
> Tijuana's Margarito, 30, won't be able to re-apply
> for his boxing license for one year, a sanction that
> will keep him from fighting in the U.S. unless he
> follows through with his promoter Bob Arum's promise
> to stage his fights in Mexico. The boxer declined
> comment after the hearing, but Arum expressed outrage
> and said he wouldn't stage another Top Rank boxing
> card in California for the duration of Margarito's
> suspension.
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> Margarito's attorney, Daniel Petrocelli, said after
> the ruling that he would explore filing a lawsuit to
> appeal the sanction in a state court.
> http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-boxing-margarito11
> -2009feb11,0,6570966.story
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> So, it seems that his license has been revoked for a
> year PERIOD. (in the US) I'm not sure how that PR
> thing would work honestly, I'm not an expert in that
> department but I think in that case PR being that
> they are US Territory and not an actual USA State
> might be able to do something about it if they really
> wanted that fight there or also fight in Mexico.
> Having your license revoked in boxing is much like
> having your drivers license revoked. If your Drivers'
> Licence is revoked in your state of residence that
> means you can't drive in any state. If you were to
> get pulled over in a different state as soon as the
> Officer runs your DL# you would come up as Suspended
> DL.
California doesn't have the power to revoke Marge's license in the USA. only the federal governemnt can do that. THe article is mistaken. I am sure nevada, NY and New Jersey will follow suit, but its cause they choose to, not cause California said so.
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Re: Do you think Margarito cheated to beat Cotto?
Feb 10, 2009 9:46 PM
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From what I've read, Margarito and his trainer, Capetillo, can reapply for reinstatement, after the 1yr. suspension is served, in which case, there's no guarantee of re-licensing.They would have to appear before another hearing. The suspension is honored, throughout all of the states. They can fight in Mexico and other places where the ruling isn't honored.
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Re: Do you think Margarito cheated to beat Cotto?
Feb 10, 2009 9:45 PM
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After reading bunch of articles regarding the allegedly cheating issue. I think the guy had an intention to cheat in a safe way. Personally, Still it is cheating, and these types of moves should be dealt with maximum penalties.
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Re: Do you think Margarito cheated to beat Cotto?
Feb 10, 2009 9:37 PM
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Of course, we agree that the lifetime ban would be fair if indeed they would've been used in the fight and later preceded to find the contents of the loaded gloves.
In the article I read it said this:
The California State Athletic Commission today voted unanimously to revoke former world welterweight boxing champion Antonio Margarito's license, and that of his trainer, for one year for having plaster-like substances on his hand wraps before his title fight against Shane Mosley.
Tijuana's Margarito, 30, won't be able to re-apply for his boxing license for one year, a sanction that will keep him from fighting in the U.S. unless he follows through with his promoter Bob Arum's promise to stage his fights in Mexico. The boxer declined comment after the hearing, but Arum expressed outrage and said he wouldn't stage another Top Rank boxing card in California for the duration of Margarito's suspension.
Margarito's attorney, Daniel Petrocelli, said after the ruling that he would explore filing a lawsuit to appeal the sanction in a state court.
http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-boxing-margarito11-2009feb11,0,6570966.story
So, it seems that his license has been revoked for a year PERIOD. (in the US) I'm not sure how that PR thing would work honestly, I'm not an expert in that department but I think in that case PR being that they are US Territory and not an actual USA State might be able to do something about it if they really wanted that fight there or also fight in Mexico. Having your license revoked in boxing is much like having your drivers license revoked. If your Drivers' Licence is revoked in your state of residence that means you can't drive in any state. If you were to get pulled over in a different state as soon as the Officer runs your DL# you would come up as Suspended DL.
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Re: Do you think Margarito cheated to beat Cotto?
Feb 10, 2009 9:12 PM
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> I'm sure it was contemplated at one point but
> honestly a lifetime ban seems a bit extreme, don't
> you think? Now, if he would've used against Mosley
> and it was later found out, then I truly believe that
> he would've been banned for life.
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> His words were that all he did was lift his hands and
> get them wrapped but even the comissioner wasn't
> convinced of it. So, I'm sure that they saw Margarito
> as guilty as well as Capetillo. No word is being
> spoken about the Cotto bout, from what I've seen.
of course its fair. how long can an injury due to loaded gloves last an opponent? A lifetime.
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Re: Do you think Margarito cheated to beat Cotto?
Feb 10, 2009 9:10 PM
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> My question is, if Cotto decides he wants to rematch
> Margarito as soon as possible after his fight with
> Jennings upcoming, could the fight possibly be held
> in Puerto Rico, or would it have to be held in Mexico
> because of Margarito's ban? Puerto Rico isn't
> technically a part of the U.S., or is it?
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PR is a territory ofthe USA like Washington DC.
but that isn't as important cause each state on an issue like this has some right to decide for itself whether it will let the fight occur in its state. Like although California suspended marge's lisence NY has to chose to recognize the california decision. NY can decide to have the fight because it is its own state. State in the USA is not a country. Its like a province.
in order for the suspension to be recognized through out the USA it would have to be a ruling made by the federal gov't and the federal government isn't interested in the least in regulating boxing. they leave it to each state.
So marge can fight in the USa, but his problem is that the major states that have big money fights seem to have decided they will recognize and respect the Colifornia ruling. But it a choice, not a ruling set by california.
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Re: Do you think Margarito cheated to beat Cotto?
Feb 10, 2009 9:00 PM
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My question is, if Cotto decides he wants to rematch Margarito as soon as possible after his fight with Jennings upcoming, could the fight possibly be held in Puerto Rico, or would it have to be held in Mexico because of Margarito's ban? Puerto Rico isn't technically a part of the U.S., or is it?
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Re: Do you think Margarito cheated to beat Cotto?
Feb 10, 2009 8:58 PM
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I'm sure it was contemplated at one point but honestly a lifetime ban seems a bit extreme, don't you think? Now, if he would've used against Mosley and it was later found out, then I truly believe that he would've been banned for life.
His words were that all he did was lift his hands and get them wrapped but even the comissioner wasn't convinced of it. So, I'm sure that they saw Margarito as guilty as well as Capetillo. No word is being spoken about the Cotto bout, from what I've seen.
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Re: Do you think Margarito cheated to beat Cotto?
Feb 10, 2009 8:51 PM
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> If I read it correctly, Capetillo and Margarito have
> been issued 1 year suspension. Bob Arum was out raged
> and said that he wouldn't stage another fight in LA
> until the suspension was up.
i am not surprised. the lifetime should have been considered.
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Re: Do you think Margarito cheated to beat Cotto?
Feb 10, 2009 8:50 PM
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> to Cargib1
> yes, that is right.
> lets look at it from another point of view. say they
> are nascar racers. Marge uses some instrument on his
> car that is illegal and cause your tire to explode.
> He does it to moselly's car and mosely breaks a cheek
> bone. Marge is liable because he intentionally broke
> a law intended for safety and cause an injury.
>
> Now the second example would be, marge doesn't cheat.
> but, during a race mosely and marge go around a turn
> and mosely loses control because he is startled
> becasue marge was so close. Mosely dies in the crash.
> In this case marge did nothing wrong and he is not
> liable in any way.
>
> yes, you can be held liable for just bruising someone
> while if you kill someone be held non-liable. its a
> fact of life. this should not surprise you.
>
> the point is, don't break the law. Don't act
> recklessly; don't put other people in danger by
> engaging in illegal behavior in the ring.
>
> there is a point where the perpetrator crosses a line
> and he is not trying to play the game anymore, or he
> doesn't care if he hurts someone: that is considered
> criminal negligence. if you put a nail in your boxing
> glove and jab it into another fighter, you will be
> prosecuted even if all he has is one puncture wound
> on his face or chest or shoulder or arm. Even if he
> has no puncture wound and you tried to jab him with
> the nail, you will be held liable for something like
> reckless endangerment, or negligence.
>
> if you fight according to the laws of the boxing
> commiss, and kill a guy in the act of trying to win a
> fight, you won't be prosecuted.
>
> If the ref tells you to stop punching and you
> continue and your opponent; and he is not hurt beyond
> a concussion, you can be charged criminally. if the
> ref doesn't say anything and you continue to hit an
> opponent, with no loaded gloves on, and he dies, you
> are not liable.
>
>
> yes, that is what I am saying.
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> You clearly did not read what I said. So, I've copied
> and pasted it again below this comment right here. If
> you look closely I said, if he broke his partners'
> cheek bone with loaded gloves, then THATS NOT OKAY
> but if it was clean then its a risk you take as well
> as the risk of possibly dying in the ring. There's no
> proof that he used those loaded gloves in sparring.
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> > Listen to what i'm really saying...I'm not saying
> > that its okay if he borke his cheek bone with
> loaded
> > gloves...if thats the case NO ITS NOT OKAY but if
> its
> > sparring and they're going at it full speed in
> > preparation for a fight and they're sparring with
> no
> > head gear then, that's a risk you're taking too.
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Re: Do you think Margarito cheated to beat Cotto?
Feb 10, 2009 8:42 PM
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If I read it correctly, Capetillo and Margarito have been issued 1 year suspension. Bob Arum was out raged and said that he wouldn't stage another fight in LA until the suspension was up.
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Re: Do you think Margarito cheated to beat Cotto?
Feb 10, 2009 8:27 PM
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to Cargib1
yes, that is right.
lets look at it from another point of view. say they are nascar racers. Marge uses some instrument on his car that is illegal and cause your tire to explode. He does it to moselly's car and mosely breaks a cheek bone. Marge is liable because he intentionally broke a law intended for safety and cause an injury.
Now the second example would be, marge doesn't cheat. but, during a race mosely and marge go around a turn and mosely loses control because he is startled becasue marge was so close. Mosely dies in the crash. In this case marge did nothing wrong and he is not liable in any way.
yes, you can be held liable for just bruising someone while if you kill someone be held non-liable. its a fact of life. this should not surprise you.
the point is, don't break the law. Don't act recklessly; don't put other people in danger by engaging in illegal behavior in the ring.
there is a point where the perpetrator crosses a line and he is not trying to play the game anymore, or he doesn't care if he hurts someone: that is considered criminal negligence. if you put a nail in your boxing glove and jab it into another fighter, you will be prosecuted even if all he has is one puncture wound on his face or chest or shoulder or arm. Even if he has no puncture wound and you tried to jab him with the nail, you will be held liable for something like reckless endangerment, or negligence.
if you fight according to the laws of the boxing commiss, and kill a guy in the act of trying to win a fight, you won't be prosecuted.
If the ref tells you to stop punching and you continue and your opponent; and he is not hurt beyond a concussion, you can be charged criminally. if the ref doesn't say anything and you continue to hit an opponent, with no loaded gloves on, and he dies, you are not liable.
yes, that is what I am saying.
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You clearly did not read what I said. So, I've copied and pasted it again below this comment right here. If you look closely I said, if he broke his partners' cheek bone with loaded gloves, then THATS NOT OKAY but if it was clean then its a risk you take as well as the risk of possibly dying in the ring. There's no proof that he used those loaded gloves in sparring.
> Listen to what i'm really saying...I'm not saying
> that its okay if he borke his cheek bone with loaded
> gloves...if thats the case NO ITS NOT OKAY but if its
> sparring and they're going at it full speed in
> preparation for a fight and they're sparring with no
> head gear then, that's a risk you're taking too.
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Re: Do you think Margarito cheated to beat Cotto?
Feb 10, 2009 8:19 PM
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Okay, so for the record...I'm still a Margarito fan. He made a big mistake and he should be punished for it. It sounds like Mr. Capetillo is attempting to take the blame. Now, do you think he feels guilty or do you think he's just trying to cover up for Tony or is Tony paying him off to take the blame?
It sounds like he's pretty much guilty of any and all charges, I still have to go to the LA TIMES and read the article myself.
But as I stated in past opinions, if he is found guilty...I would come out and make no excuses for a fighter that I'm a fan of. He cheated so he should be punished and hopefully its not a lifetime ban.
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