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Re: What are your thoughts on the Jones/Calzaghe 24/7 so far?
Nov 30, 2008 1:18 PM
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thanx guys. calzaghe's taller, faster and way better than brannon but the way joe was dropped by both hopkins and jones show me what woulda happened if he'd have fought jones at his peak when jones had more speed and energy and better reflexes. roy was also more committed or i should say bent on winning every round of every fight. remember when he fought tarver the last time and his attitude was like he coulda won but didnt quite feel like it. that attitude shows you exactly what roy is fighting with in his heart these days. i'm glad some of you remember brannon. roy did him like the cartoon tazmanian devil carving up a turkey. i mean i couldnt even really see the punches. brannon's diggin in and a nano second later he's hoppin down queer street on rubber legs.
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Re: What are your thoughts on the Jones/Calzaghe 24/7 so far?
Nov 29, 2008 10:23 AM
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> you know, i don't pretend to know everything so i
> stand corrected when you guys write something i didnt
> know. the very first time i saw dawson was when he
> completely shut down that one european cat who beat
> briggs. he looked really good. then i heard he got a
> gift against glencoffe who himself had been a title
> challenger at 160. then he beats tarver who's been
> showing his age for years already. either way, right
> now dawson is the name at 175. he's still young so
> there's no telling what kinda mark he makes before
> he's finished.
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> now, as for calzaghe, it might take a few years of
> watching the fights, maybe up to a decade if you're a
> younger guy, but you should know what happens to a
> someone after 20 or so years in the game. no matter
> how he claims he feels, joe's not the same as he was
> 10 years ago. now he's getting paid fighting marquis
> from the past at catchweights. color will always be
> an issue for some but money will always be the bottom
> line for all even when they don't realize it. enzo
> oughtta know better than to match joe with hungry
> youngsters right now especially when the ancient
> hopkins just restored some appeal by beating the
> overrated pavlik. that's the smart money fight-
> calzaghe-hopkins 2.
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> just so you know, imo, joe would not have beaten
> jones if they had met in their primes. roy's prime
> may have been at 168 and if they had fought, roy
> woulda countered the slap flurry like he did brannon.
> since obviously some of you have no idea of jones v
> v bryant brannon, i'll let you in on it- jones
> flattened bryant via surgical precision inside
> counters. It was over within a few rounds. as for
> hopkins, his prime was at 160 years prior to the tito
> fight. imo it was around the time he wrecked bo
> james and retired the young undefeated sledgehammer
> lipsey. so a fight between calzaghe and hopkins in
> their primes would be a weight discrepancy. that
> does not mean that calzaghe hasnt ruled the 168 class
> for longer than anyone i can remember. nor does it
> mean that he's not a terrific hall of fame bound
> fighter. joe's proven himself so i gotta give it to
> him. we've all been raised in this nationalistic and
> racist society so i'm not suprised by this ongoing
> nonsense but if you guys on each side of the fence
> climb up on top of the fence, you see so much more.
> rise above kids, rise above....
Magellan, excellent summary. I agree with "Knock," you should make that a blog post. 
The Brannon argument is not the best, but I see your pt. Brannon was what we used to call a shorty-rock; a tough, height-challenged guy around-the-way. Calzaghe is considerably bigger.
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Re: What are your thoughts on the Jones/Calzaghe 24/7 so far?
Nov 29, 2008 2:15 AM
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Calzaghe has more than feather-fists (I'll qualify that) BUT he does not sit down on his punches clearly...if he did, Jones and Lacy would not have lasted the distance. If you watch closely, the times that he sits down more, he leaves himself more open for counters, and in some of those cases (Mitchell, Hopkins, Jones), he's been dropped. He usually then wises up and focuses on flurries, etc. That being said, he would not whup Dawson dude...I think that's an even-money fight...and I am not Calzaghe-hater...as anyone who reads these threads has seen, I have given him "all-time" props...folks need to stop being so defensive about their fave fighters and just look at each argument in its individual merit.
Good points Ja.
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Re: What are your thoughts on the Jones/Calzaghe 24/7 so far?
Nov 29, 2008 2:11 AM
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NICE BLOG MAGELLAN
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Re: What are your thoughts on the Jones/Calzaghe 24/7 so far?
Nov 28, 2008 12:02 PM
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you know, i don't pretend to know everything so i stand corrected when you guys write something i didnt know. the very first time i saw dawson was when he completely shut down that one european cat who beat briggs. he looked really good. then i heard he got a gift against glencoffe who himself had been a title challenger at 160. then he beats tarver who's been showing his age for years already. either way, right now dawson is the name at 175. he's still young so there's no telling what kinda mark he makes before he's finished.
now, as for calzaghe, it might take a few years of watching the fights, maybe up to a decade if you're a younger guy, but you should know what happens to a someone after 20 or so years in the game. no matter how he claims he feels, joe's not the same as he was 10 years ago. now he's getting paid fighting marquis from the past at catchweights. color will always be an issue for some but money will always be the bottom line for all even when they don't realize it. enzo oughtta know better than to match joe with hungry youngsters right now especially when the ancient hopkins just restored some appeal by beating the overrated pavlik. that's the smart money fight- calzaghe-hopkins 2.
just so you know, imo, joe would not have beaten jones if they had met in their primes. roy's prime may have been at 168 and if they had fought, roy woulda countered the slap flurry like he did brannon. since obviously some of you have no idea of jones v bryant brannon, i'll let you in on it- jones flattened bryant via surgical precision inside counters. It was over within a few rounds. as for hopkins, his prime was at 160 years prior to the tito fight. imo it was around the time he wrecked bo james and retired the young undefeated sledgehammer lipsey. so a fight between calzaghe and hopkins in their primes would be a weight discrepancy. that does not mean that calzaghe hasnt ruled the 168 class for longer than anyone i can remember. nor does it mean that he's not a terrific hall of fame bound fighter. joe's proven himself so i gotta give it to him. we've all been raised in this nationalistic and racist society so i'm not suprised by this ongoing nonsense but if you guys on each side of the fence climb up on top of the fence, you see so much more. rise above kids, rise above....
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Re: What are your thoughts on the Jones/Calzaghe 24/7 so far?
Nov 28, 2008 10:10 AM
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> actually hes won his fights at 175 thats light
> heavyweight right...so hes actually whooped everyone
> in the supermiddle and light heavy division.....and
> beat every top guy more than convincingly....lacy
> kessler jones hopkins....and the only reason hopkins
> made it close ill say it for umphthousandth time...is
> cause hopkins grabbed and wrestles not to mention put
> a dramatic soap operah performance.....oh but
> calzaghe still won by unanimous..well i guess it
> wasnt that close...calzaghe has proven his self time
> and time again.....and dawson wont beat him
> either....so these guys need to get over it.......hes
> a bad ass white dude...half or 70% of you all wouldnt
> be crying if he was a different skin tone......the
> same jackalanterns that wanna call certain pieholes
> all time greats...
He's not white, he's Italian (lol). In all seriousness, dude is a gret fighter, regardless of what he "is." I don't care if he's from Tatooine (Star Wars reference), the mofo can fight. That's not the debate here, at least in my case. I think the larger issue is that many folks are mad that he fought in Europe most of his career (I'm American but will admit that many cats have an American bias), he has beaten many (Hopkins, Jones) of their faves (a little bitterness there), and three, he's beaten them (Hopkins, Jones) past their primes/later than many would have liked (that's probably the most reasonable case against him). And for the record, him beating Dawson is not a forgone conclusion, but i'd venture to guess that fight does not take place (sorry for repeating myself lol).
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Re: What are your thoughts on the Jones/Calzaghe 24/7 so far?
Nov 28, 2008 10:05 AM
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> joe's been great at 168. dawson is a 175 titlist.
> joe's in his late 30's and on a cash run into the
> twilight. a rematch with hopkins draws more money
> than a much more dangerous fight with the youngster
> dawson. somehow some here just seem bent on finding
> someone to beat calzaqhe and since they cant find
> anyone at 168, they gotta bring up dawson. why not
> haye? why not wlad? truth is joe's been the man at
> 168 and he's older now and cashing in. it's entirely
> possible that dawson can beat him but does it erase
> joe's record at 168? of course not. if you think
> dawson is really a legend in the making, you should
> be crying out for him to rematch with glencoffe and
> prove his current standing. but then of course, it's
> much less about fanfare for dawson than it is about
> hatred of calzaghe aint it? goddamn shame.
I think we should also note that one of the main reasons Dawson moved up to 175 (from 168, where he spent much of his career) was because he could not get good fights at 168.
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Nov 28, 2008 2:22 AM
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actually hes won his fights at 175 thats light heavyweight right...so hes actually whooped everyone in the supermiddle and light heavy division.....and beat every top guy more than convincingly....lacy kessler jones hopkins....and the only reason hopkins made it close ill say it for umphthousandth time...is cause hopkins grabbed and wrestles not to mention put a dramatic soap operah performance.....oh but calzaghe still won by unanimous..well i guess it wasnt that close...calzaghe has proven his self time and time again.....and dawson wont beat him either....so these guys need to get over it.......hes a bad ass white dude...half or 70% of you all wouldnt be crying if he was a different skin tone......the same jackalanterns that wanna call certain pieholes all time greats...
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Re: What are your thoughts on the Jones/Calzaghe 24/7 so far?
Nov 27, 2008 11:33 PM
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joe's been great at 168. dawson is a 175 titlist. joe's in his late 30's and on a cash run into the twilight. a rematch with hopkins draws more money than a much more dangerous fight with the youngster dawson. somehow some here just seem bent on finding someone to beat calzaqhe and since they cant find anyone at 168, they gotta bring up dawson. why not haye? why not wlad? truth is joe's been the man at 168 and he's older now and cashing in. it's entirely possible that dawson can beat him but does it erase joe's record at 168? of course not. if you think dawson is really a legend in the making, you should be crying out for him to rematch with glencoffe and prove his current standing. but then of course, it's much less about fanfare for dawson than it is about hatred of calzaghe aint it? goddamn shame.
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Re: What are your thoughts on the Jones/Calzaghe 24/7 so far?
Nov 26, 2008 8:25 PM
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> NEWSFLASH!! there are no american contenders for
> calzaghe here to fight, hes beat them all... i dont
> want to hear chad dawson! he couldnt handle pressure
> from glen johnson what would calzaghe's pressure
> do?the reason the old contenders can hang around
> cause they beat the young ones..heavyweight
> lightheavy our fight game has fallen so far downhill
> just like our economy and may never return..i hear
> people talk about roy, calzaghe would beat him in his
> prime also..the reason he would have to fight for 12
> long rounds with no chances to restthats what had an
> effect on hopkins... one must understand these guys
> like to fight at a slow pace he knew that...if youre
> out there calzghe retire you dont have nothing else
> to prove!!!these dudes want you to fight the entire
> country until you lose LMAO!!!
>
> i agree with everything you say..your right on the
> money.... and as for featherfists they knocked lacy
> on his ass two or three times and left him badly
> enough beaten to where he never has been the
> same...and he sure did hurt jones plenty of times in
> that fight...that was just pride that kept him
> standing.....and how do you hurt a guy or even land a
> punch on someone who holds you everytime your looking
> to unleash.....speaking off hand...i am a big jermain
> taylor fan...because of his boxing skills and his
> willingness to take chances..but i have to give him a
> thumbs down on his fight against lacy...he looked
> like hopkins anyways very dissapointed that the refs
> didnt take points from him for all that holding...now
> back to calzaghe he might not have the crunch that
> johnson has...but he does have power and what ever
> power he lacks he makres up in stamina and punch
> output.....and mad skills defensively and
> offensively...i wouldnt mind seeing him whoop
> dawson....just to see what excuses these clowns would
> make then....
Calzaghe has more than feather-fists (I'll qualify that) BUT he does not sit down on his punches clearly...if he did, Jones and Lacy would not have lasted the distance. If you watch closely, the times that he sits down more, he leaves himself more open for counters, and in some of those cases (Mitchell, Hopkins, Jones), he's been dropped. He usually then wises up and focuses on flurries, etc. That being said, he would not whup Dawson dude...I think that's an even-money fight...and I am not Calzaghe-hater...as anyone who reads these threads has seen, I have given him "all-time" props...folks need to stop being so defensive about their fave fighters and just look at each argument in its individual merit.
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Nov 26, 2008 6:52 PM
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http://www.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=263623&cat=boxer
jonathon banks world crusierweight champ defends against former chamop enzo maccarinelli on dec 6th in london. what can u tell me about banks is he a heavyweight of the future? welshman enzo is a serious powerhouse but can lay himself open as he did in his only loss to david haymaker haye
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Re: What are your thoughts on the Jones/Calzaghe 24/7 so far?
Nov 25, 2008 4:49 PM
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> NEWSFLASH!! there are no american contenders for
> calzaghe here to fight, hes beat them all... i dont
> want to hear chad dawson! he couldnt handle pressure
> from glen johnson what would calzaghe's pressure
> do?the reason the old contenders can hang around
> cause they beat the young ones..heavyweight
> lightheavy our fight game has fallen so far downhill
> just like our economy and may never return..i hear
> people talk about roy, calzaghe would beat him in his
> prime also..the reason he would have to fight for 12
> long rounds with no chances to restthats what had an
> effect on hopkins... one must understand these guys
> like to fight at a slow pace he knew that...if youre
> out there calzghe retire you dont have nothing else
> to prove!!!these dudes want you to fight the entire
> country until you lose LMAO!!!
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> i agree with everything you say..your right on the
> money.... and as for featherfists they knocked lacy
> on his ass two or three times and left him badly
> enough beaten to where he never has been the
> same...and he sure did hurt jones plenty of times in
> that fight...that was just pride that kept him
> standing.....and how do you hurt a guy or even land a
> punch on someone who holds you everytime your looking
> to unleash.....speaking off hand...i am a big jermain
> taylor fan...because of his boxing skills and his
> willingness to take chances..but i have to give him a
> thumbs down on his fight against lacy...he looked
> like hopkins anyways very dissapointed that the refs
> didnt take points from him for all that holding...now
> back to calzaghe he might not have the crunch that
> johnson has...but he does have power and what ever
> power he lacks he makres up in stamina and punch
> output.....and mad skills defensively and
> offensively...i wouldnt mind seeing him whoop
> dawson....just to see what excuses these clowns would
> make then....
Are you guys boxing fans or what?? You're telling me that Glen Johnson or Dawson would not be a better fight than Hop or RJJ for Joe. WRONG. You guys are funny. I've said it before just because Hop beat Kelly doesn't give Joe a win over Kelly. JUST like PAV beating Taylor sure as hell didn't give him a win over Hop. Now if they never fought I could sit here like an asshole like most of you choose to do and say with certainty Hop would never beat Kelly because of their outcomes with Taylor. I'd be wrong though wouldn't I. Only because they fought. Glen Johnson with the pressure he puts on and toughness would be a great fight with Joe. Dawson with his ability and now that he's proven would be a test that Joe has never faced before. Dawson is not untested ,he's not a never was and he's not a used to be. Every fighter out there that Joe has fought holds one of those distinctions. Joe is in his prime and he admits it talking about his reaction time which he states "has never been better" Do I think Joe would get beat by those 2 I don't know but I'd like to see the fight as I enjoy a good match up. Bottom line is for all you people who don't want to see those fights. Please point to someone in his current division that is a more competitive choice. It's really those 2 or 3 or retirement. I'm fine with either one for Joe. Maybe he can pull Haggler or Ray Leonard out of retirement next. Sounds more like most of you are worried about your guy facing the bigger challenges than watching him fight them. That's why I love Hatton who fought Floyd and would have no doubt fought Cotto. He fights relevant fighters
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Nov 25, 2008 12:48 PM
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Sorry,
I didnt realize you were only a puppy. I have sussed by the immaturity in your posts that your only a teenager. Come back in a few years and play with the big boys then.
Does your Mum really allow you to stay up that late on your PC. By the way Joe isnt married.
Thank you and goodnight, dont forget your teddy.
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What are your thoughts on the Jones/Calzaghe 24/7 so far?
Nov 23, 2008 6:37 PM
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Realspazy or is it Realspastic, joe could beat anyone and you would still say he had to beat another or the next new kid on the block would tear up his ass. The same with Hatton. I think you having real difficulty coping with decent british fighters who are starting gain respect in the USA from the real boxing fans.
Im sure you wouldnt call Calzagay that to his face, I can recommend a good shrink, your gonna need it in 2009.
Sensetalk good post mate.
PigFatty28 or is it NigBatty28, joe could not beat any one people told him to fight.. He chooses his opponent with an instinct of not risking his senseless undefeated record! TOO CAUTIOUS! He had picked OLD American fighters instead of young and on prime fighters. Both Roy and Pavlik had called him, and picked Roy(PAvlik offered higher). Well! Thats what the real CalzaGAY is!
Yes I would call CalzaGAY that CalzaGAY in his face, SLAPS would not knock me out and can surely submit him by no matter how fast his fast and sissy ARM by an ARM-Bar! Or choke him with my D_CK!![]:)](http://boards.hbo.com/images/emoticons/devil.gif) Wahahahahaha! Dawson would kiss CalzaGAY's wife and still CalzaGAY would not like to fight him because of the RISK!
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