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Let us enhance our boxing knowledge with tales of past and present fighters. I'll start off with the story of Stanley Ketchel ..... By Mike Casey - There is greatness in life and then there is something beyond that; something indefinable to which we can never assign an appropriate name or description. Willie Lewis was a great fighter. But he was never going to put a serious dent in the Michigan Assassin, Stanley Ketchel. Willie?s manager knew that even if Willie didn?t. So Dan McKetrick, a typically shrewd and opportunistic fight manager of the age, employed a two-pronged attack in galvanising his Willie for the great confrontation at New York?s National Sporting Club, known to locals as The Coliseum. McKetrick pumped up Lewis with a heady mix of good old-fashioned wisdom and plain old-fashioned kidology, telling the kid that he would spring the great upset of the age by beating the raging lion that was Ketchel. While Willie ruminated over all these wonderful words of encouragement, Dan McKetrick enlisted God to handle the tricky part of pulling off the unlikeliest result in boxing.. Jumping into his brand new automobile and heading for the Bronx with his old pal and legendary fight manager, Dumb Dan Morgan, McKetrick stopped off at St Anthony?s Roman Catholic Church to indulge in a bout of unusually intense prayer. He even lit a candle at the Shrine of St Anthony and said a few more prayers for good measure. The job was done. McKetrick had all but appointed Willie Lewis a saint. How could God let the boy down now? Dumb Dan Morgan was confused to say the least. He had agreed to work Willie Lewis? corner with McKetrick and was now wondering what he had let himself in for. The truth became all too sadly and brutally apparent. The New York crowd of about three thousand was solidly behind Lewis as he confidently engaged Ketchel in the first round and showed no fear of the Assassin. Lewis, a natural welterweight, was conceding ten pounds to Stanley, who weighed in at 158lbs. Ketchel tested Willie with a couple of stiff digs to the ribs, but then the miracle that Dan McKetrick had prayed for seemed to take shape. Gasps could be heard around the Coliseum as Lewis suddenly caught Ketchel flush on the bridge of the nose with a terrific right hand smash. When Stanley lowered his gloves, they were covered in blood. Willie had inflicted a serious wound and went full throttle to seize the great prize as he rubbed the blood into Stanley?s eyes and kept punching to the bell. The Coliseum was in uproar. Even Dan McKetrick was stunned. It was all too much for Dumb Dan Morgan, who knew what was coming next and left the Lewis corner for a seat in Row 4. Dumb Dan advised McKetrick that he alone would be responsible for picking up Willie?s body when Ketchel had taken his revenge. Not lightly did Dumb Dan refer to Ketchel as The Slasher. The execution wasn?t long in coming. Poor Willie Lewis wasn?t a saint and didn?t have any miracles. As Dumb Dan Morgan later recalled, ?Ketchel doubled him up with a one-two punch to the stomach. Then, as the Kid straightened up, The Slasher nailed him with one of the most terrible right hand punches to the face I have ever seen. It caught Lewis flush in the mouth and drove two of his front teeth right up through his upper lip. It was an awful sight. ?The Kid was helpless, but would not go down. The referee was on the spot too. To stop a brawl like this could cause a riot.? Ketchel saved referee Tom O?Rourke any embarrassment by quickly finishing off Lewis. Dumb Dan Morgan later berated Dan McKetrick for making the fight. ?Did you ever in your wildest dreams think that young kid had a chance with a killer like Ketchel?? ?Yes, I did,? McKetrick replied. ?I counted on the surprise element and sometimes forces are at work you don?t know about. I gambled and lost. It ain?t MY fault the saint didn?t stand up!? Violently For a man who had lived so hard and fought so violently, the last words of Stanley Ketchel were strangely gentle and poignant. As he lay dying at the Dickerson ranch in Conway, Missouri, his assailant?s bullet lodged in his back, Ketchel looked up at his friend Pete Dickerson and said, ?Take me home to mom, Pete.? Ketchel was just twenty-four years old. Yet how he left his mark in such a tragically short space of time! He had cultivated a reputation as one of the most feared men on earth in a straight fight. He was a natural, vicious, two-fisted fighter with a colossal punch in either hand, who had terrorised the middleweight division and even challenged the great Jack Johnson during a sensational professional career that spanned just seven years between 1903 and 1910. Ketchel was a natural born puncher. At first sight, he looked scrawny and pallid of complexion. He frequently looked nervous and drawn when he entered the ring. But he generated his great power from wide shoulders beautifully muscled arms and a wealth of natural talent. He was a mid-western boy from Grand Rapids, Michigan, but a Wild West man at heart, who began to carve his indelible mark on boxing with a quick succession of early knockouts in the Montana towns of Butte, Miles City, Helena, Gregson Springs and Great Falls. He quickly became known to local boxing writers as the Montana Wonder. When Stan graduated to the major league, he horns with fellow greats Billy Papke and Joe Thomas in some of the most thrilling fights ever seen in California. By the time Ketchel moved back east at the tail end of his career, he was in his prime as one of the most destructive fighters the ring has ever seen. His punching power, to this day, is acknowledged in boxing circles as being truly exceptional. Former Ring editor Nat Fleischer got to know Ketchel well and spoke often of the Assassin?s multi-faceted character. Hype Igoe, a great New York boxing writer and raconteur, was even closer to Ketchel and his ever shifting moods. There is little doubt that Stan had a psychotic nature. He once shot a friend in the foot during a raging temper, then wept uncontrollably with remorse as he picked the man up in his arms and rushed him to a doctor. Recalling Ketchel, who was known as Steve to his close friends, Hype Igoe said, ?He was a many sided individual. He could be as tame as a new born babe, as vicious as a lion trying to protect its cubs, as lovable as a mother and as treacherous as a villain. ?I never knew him to sit down to a meal without first laying his big blue six-shooter across his lap. I never could quite understand just why he went so armed. I nearly died of anxiety in Wheeling, West Virginia, one morning, when we went to breakfast in the Clark House. ?One of the waiters gave Ketchel a snippy answer about the kind of eggs and bacon they had on tap and I saw Steve reach for the gun under the table cloth.? Ketchel was in a foul mood. He had broken his left hand in his recent fight with Frank Klaus and the pain from the swelling was driving him to despair. Igoe knew that he had to do some fast thinking to avoid a disaster. ?I bit into my thin water glass and cut my mouth purposely, and with blood running from my lips I yelled for Ketchel to see me to the wash room. He stuck his gun in his waistband and hustled me off. I insisted that I was bleeding to death and he must hustle me to a doctor. Anything to get away from that waiter. The ruse worked.? Igoe adored Ketchel and had a somewhat vague and tenuous managerial claim on him when Stanley first came to New York. That arrangement was abruptly terminated. Returning from a trip with Ketchel to Philadelphia, Hype was sitting in a Pullman drawing room when Stanley came in and threw two of his pistols on the table. ?I want to talk a little business to you, Hype. I think I prefer having Wilson Mizner manage me from now on.? ?That?s fine,? said Hype calmly. Igoe might have pulled more strings for Ketchel than Stanley ever realised. Writer Damon Runyon always insisted that the Assassin was ?carried? by Sam Langford in their famous six-rounds duel of 1910 and that Hype was instrumental in negotiating an easier ride for Stanley than he might otherwise have had. Well, maybe and maybe not. Gun On October 15 1910, Ketchel?s favourite gun could not save him from his killer. Stanley had been living a fast life, since losing to Jack Johnson and had travelled to Pete Dickerson?s ranch for some much needed rest and healthy exercise. Ketchel was quickly back to his old self and fighting fit again. He talked confidently of putting on some extra weight and taking a second crack at Johnson. Not that Stan was abstaining from the good life entirely. He was almost certainly addicted to opium by that time. A renowned Don Juan of the ring, he had been flirting with ranch waitress Goldie Smith, the girlfriend of farm hand Walter Dipley. Dipley had protested to Ketchel about his romancing of the girl. The situation between the men was already tense, as Stan had earlier riled Dipley after scolding him for beating a horse. Relaxed and convivial, Ketchel had observed the old Western rule of never sitting with one?s back to the door when taking his meals. On the day of his death, Goldie Smith had changed his place setting. His gun across his lap, Stan was blind to Dipley?s menacing advance. ?Throw up your hands,? Dipley commanded, taking aim with a rifle. Ketchel looked over his shoulder and smiled, believing he was the victim of a prank. He got up and was in the act of turning when Dipley shot him. The .22 calibre rifle bullet ripped into Ketchel?s back, directly beneath the right shoulder blade and surged upwards to puncture a lung. His favourite six-shooter tumbled from his lap and Stan fell to the floor. Dipley left the room but then returned to snatch up Stan?s revolver. He cracked Ketchel across the head with the weapon before fleeing. Ketchel died at six minutes past seven that evening at the Springfield hospital. Pete Dickerson had organised a special train and taken three physicians on board. They had performed an operation on Stanley earlier, but had failed to locate the bullet. Dipley, originally announced as Walter Hurtz, was pursued by a possee of police officers, bloodhounds and local citizens. Pete Dickerson offered a reward of five thousand dollars for his capture. Photographs Among my collection of photographs of Stanley Ketchel is an old shot that perfectly reflects his character and the wild and rollicking era in which he flourished. Ketchel is flanked by Pete Dickerson and heavyweight boxer Joe Harmon. Stan is in the middle of the picture, standing beside a friend whose name still rings like a bell after all these years: Emmet Dalton. Emmet was breathing the fresh air again after a lengthy prison stint for his role in one of the most audacious and storied bank raids of the Old West. On October 4 1892, the Dalton Gang rode into the town of Coffeyville, Kansas, with the intention of achieving a notorious first by clearing out two banks at the same time: the First National and the Condon. They were quickly rumbled by the townspeople, who armed themselves and shot down the outlaws in a furious gunfight that last for little more than fifteen minutes. Emmet Dalton took a bullet in the back but was the only gang member to survive and was sent to the Kansas State Prison. Stanley Ketchel certainly knew some people. Rumours persist that he and his family had ties with Cole Younger of the James Gang. Ketchel?s ring battles are the stuff of legend and talked about to this day. His series of fights with the equally tough Billy Papke, the great Illinois Thunderbolt, were among the most brutal in middleweight history. Both men were imbued with a near maniacal will to win. Ketchel outpointed Papke in their first title encounter in June 1908 prompting Papke to try a new ploy in their rematch at the Jeffries Vernon Arena three months later. Stanley looked his usual nervous self as he entered the ring in a tattered dressing gown, a worn hunting cap and green gauze shorts. But he couldn?t have imagined the immediate and vicious turn of events. Billy shunned Ketchel?s pre-fight handshake and hit the champion with a terrific blow to the head from which he never recovered. Papke tore into the attack, flooring the dazed and bleeding Ketchel three times. Stanley was struck repeatedly by full-blooded blows to the face in that opening round, as well as by a mighty blow just above the heart that might have killed or seriously wounded a lesser man. Incredibly, Stan survived and fought on with enormous courage until Papke knocked him out in the twelfth round. Ketchel was carried back to his dressing room, his eyes blackened and shut, his lips cut and swollen to a grotesque size. He knocked out Papke in eleven rounds to gain his revenge, but it was their final battle that proved to be the shining jewel in the incredible quartet of fights between two special men. Thunder and lightning seemed to follow Ketchel and Papke everywhere they went and it followed them quite literally to Jim Coffroth?s Mission Street Arena in Colma. A raging thunderstorm knocked out the arena lights in the early going, but Ketchel and Papke were in a violent and detached world of their own. They never stopped ripping and tearing at each other as the rain lashed down and the lightning lit them up like stage actors under the spotlight. Both gladiators bled freely and the ring was stained crimson from the blood that oozed from Papke?s nose and mouth. Stan broke his right hand in the sixth round and his left thumb was also dislocated. The 20-rounds decision in Ketchel?s favour was greeted with a mixture of boos and cheers, but referee Billy Roche was adamant he had rendered the correct verdict. ?Ketchel was the aggressor at all times. Furthermore, he landed cleaner and harder punches and scored the only knockdown in the tenth round, although nearly everybody seemed to think that Papke had slipped to the floor. There is absolutely no question that Ketchel earned a clear-cut decision.? Awesome How great a middleweight was Stanley Ketchel? The answer to that question is that he was simply awesome. In the opinion of this writer, he would easily master the middleweight division of today. Many people imagine that Stan?s punch rate would be slower than that of modern fighters because of the greater distances of his era. Not so. Ketchel couldn?t punch fast enough and his stamina was astounding. He proved in one of his classic fights with Irishman Joe Thomas that he could maintain that staggering pace for more than thirty rounds. Ketchel, like so many of his wonderful peers, shatters the myth of old-time fighters being slow and ponderous. The Michigan Assassin had the durability of Harry Greb but was blessed with vastly superior punching power to Harry. Stan preferred to tee off his big shots from long range but was no less of a demon in the clinches. He worked constantly and viciously, keeping up a brutal tempo, and his punch resistance was exceptional. When he clashed with Joe Thomas at the Mission Street Arena in Colma, California, on September 2 1907, the crowd could scarcely believe the pace and savagery that both boys maintained over the incredible span of thirty-two rounds. Before the fighters entered the arena, a large black pigeon flew across the crowd and perched itself on the southerly fence facing the ring. Some suggested the bird was a bad omen for Thomas. The bout was scheduled for forty-five rounds, but Ketchel had a thunderous look in his eye and appeared to be gambling everything on a fast finish. Thomas, a teak-tough man in his own right, relished the chance of an old-fashioned war. The two fighters tore into each other with wild abandon, hooking and slashing to head and body. Experienced writers at ringside, not given to being easily impressed, began to exchange disbelieving looks as the action speeded up with the passing rounds. Logic dictated that the combatants should have punched themselves out early, but they were still hitting each other with hard and fast blows in the sixteenth. This was when Thomas failed to see a big uppercut coming from Stan, the shattering effect of which brought a mass cry of ?Oh!? from the crowd as it crashed against Joe?s chin. The mighty blow lifted Thomas off his feet and brought him down on his knees. Showing extraordinary heart, he clambered to his feet at the count of nine but was soon down again from a brutal shot to the ribs. The crowd cheered Joe as he defied the odds to get to his feet again, the bell coming to his rescue. Ketchel was finally slowing, and perhaps even his relentlessly positive mind was being infiltrated by small seeds of doubt. Stan seemed to lose his way for a while as Thomas began to score with jolting right hooks. But Ketchel?s indomitable spirit was the foundation on which all his other great fighting qualities rested. The Assassin never quit and never backed off. In the most daunting of circumstances, he would always find another rally, another wind, another breath of fire. He drove Thomas into the ropes with a terrific attack but still couldn?t finish his opponent. The odds shifted back in favour of Thomas in the twenty-seventh round as he suddenly found a picture perfect right hook to send Ketchel crashing to the canvas. If ever a man was in his natural element, it was Ketchel in the hell fire of such a brutal marathon. He demonstrated his recuperative powers by calmly watching the timekeeper and nodding in time to the count before rising up and pitching himself back into the fray. But now the Assassin was in dire straits, very tired and nearly blinded by the cuts to his eyes. Joe was suffering from a damaged eye and his battered and flattened nose was barely recognisable. Finally, in the thirty-second round, Ketchel broke Thomas as he had broken so many others. Nobody really knew how Stan managed to muster his last great charge, but he seemed renewed as he bombarded Joe with an array of jabs and hooks. As Thomas staggered wearily, he ran into a powerful left-right combination that sent him first to his knees and then onto his stomach. Once again, he attempted to rise, and he was almost upright when his body suddenly gave a jolt and sent him back down for the count. Ketchel, whose body was still filling out at the age of twenty-one, claimed the welterweight championship of the world after this epic win, and Stan?s thoughts on his immediate future were interesting. ?I have proved to the sporting public that I am the best welterweight in the world today. I will not fight any of the middleweights at the present time. I am a welter and I claim the title in that class. When I entered the ring today I did not weigh over 145lbs. I have been fighting all classes of men from the lightweights to the middleweights, but now I am going to draw the line and stick in the welterweight division. ?Outside of this fight today, the hardest battle I ever had in my life was when I fought Maurice Thompson at lightweight. When Thomas hit me today in the twenty-seventh round, I thought that was the end for me. But luckily, like in other fights I have gone through, I quickly recuperated and had my man going from that time on. ?To show how confident I was of winning, I bet something like six hundred dollars on myself at the prevailing odds of 10 to 6. I am only twenty-one years old and that?s young enough to leave me a few years to fight in.? Philadelphia Jack One of the greatest ringmen of Ketchel?s era was the gifted Philadelphia Jack O?Brien, who clashed with Stan at the National Athletic Club in Philadelphia on June 26 1909. It was a memorable encounter between a killer of the ring and a disciple of the school of science. O?Brien was a boxer through and through, but he was also a remarkably tough and resilient man in the heat of battle. For seven thrilling rounds, Philadelphia Jack mixed skill with hardiness as he threaded his precise punches through the violent Ketchell storm that raged around him. Stan confounded observers once again with his near inhuman stamina as he just kept ripping away at whatever part of O?Brien?s body he could hit. Many more of the Assassin?s blows were missing, however, and it was the hometown boxing master who was forging ahead. Ketchel?s face was smeared with blood as Philadelphia Jack?s unerringly accurate jabs repeatedly found the mark. But the tireless Ketchel kept coming on and finally dropped O?Brien near the ropes in the ninth round with a crunching blow to the pit of the stomach. A big body attack by Ketchel in the tenth culminated in a final shot that sent O?Brien down with eight seconds left on the clock. Philadelphia Jack?s head came to rest in the resin box that his handlers had forgotten to clear from the ring at the end of the previous round, knocking him unconscious. Referee Tim Hurst?s count had reached four when the bell sounded. Confusion and arguments about who had won the fight continued through the night and into the morning. This was the unsatisfactory era of the no- decision, and most of the newspapers awarded the verdict to O?Brien by the narrowest margin. This created uproar among those who had bet their money on Ketchel. Today, most record books accord the win to Stan. Hype Igoe, recalling the end of the battle years later, wrote: ?Then came the question of who won the fight. The clock said that O?Brien had been saved, yet we writers argued the point over beer and chips for three or four hours afterwards. ?Tad Dorgan and this writer finally convinced our sports editor Bill Hicks that he couldn?t possibly give the fight to a man like a mummy on the flat of his back.? Final count When he was finally beaten by a bullet to the back, people wondered if Stanley Ketchel would still find a way of regaining his feet and firing back a salvo. But let us not end on a melancholic note. For Stanley?s twenty-four years were packed with incident, glory, happiness and unintentional comedy. Jerked along in his ferocious slipstream were some marvellous characters. His first manager Willus Britt famously got upset with the San Francisco city council for its negligence in failing to prevent an earthquake. Wilson Mizner, frighteningly accurate in his judgement of his fellow human beings, advised Ketchel early on: ?Steve, my boy, all I can do for you is improve your mind. Your morals are the same as mine already.? But perhaps my favourite little gem comes from boxing scribe Harry D Cashman, who wrote of the ?fatal error? of Willie Lewis shortly before Ketchel knocked him out. As Willie came out for the second round, manager Dan McKetrick whispered in his ear that Ketchel could not hurt him. That, argued Mr Cashman, was the fatal error. ?Stanley woke up. Bing! Goodnight!? What a terrific story I thought, let's see you guys post up some good articles or stories. There are too many shit threads around and I challenge all you boxing fans to find similar tales.
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I've watched a good few of those fights ghost, there is a couple I will have to try and dig out on youtube and the like. Holmes was awesome in that Shavers fight ... Come on people, surely you have some good boxing stories or articles to share ............
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*** Many fighters come & go, some leave an impression & some don't. Then theres certain fights that leave an impression, with that fight of the year type of action which we all love. Here are a few worth mentioning! #1. Hercules Weaver vs Michael Dokes #2. Larry Holmes vs Ernie Shavers #3. Julio C. Chavez vs Meddrick Taylor #4. Ali vs Fraiser-I #5. Mathew Franklin vs Dwight Quawi-I #6. Alexis Arqueullo vs Ayrron Pryor-(I&II) #7. Gatti vs Ward-I #8. Baer vs Braddick #9. Little Red Lopez vs Mikey Ayala #10. Mathew Franklin vs Eddie Gregory A blast from the pugilistic pass with many more to remember in the Ring! ************************* -- "GHOST of BOOGIE"
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Keep them coming J, that was another inspirational little article there and I never tire of reading those kind of stories. Cheers !
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Here's another of my favorite boxers. IMO, from one of the golden eras fo boxing ~ the '70's. Danny "Little Red" Lopez Fought Out of LA By Robert Mladinich Contact Robert Mladinich @ TheSweetScience.com Few people will argue that former WBC featherweight champion Danny ?Little Red? Lopez was one of the most popular fighters of the seventies. A former dead-end kid who had been shuttled from one foster home to another, he found his salvation as a boxer. Of Irish, Mexican and Native American ancestry, Lopez, who fought out of Los Angeles, was the ultimate crowd-pleaser. As his final ledger of 42-6 (39 KOs) will attest, he could bang with both hands. But what made him most popular was the fact that he got knocked down with regularity. However, in almost all of those cases he roared back to knock out his opponent in the very same or the next round. ?Danny Lopez was Matthew Saad Muhammad before there was a Matthew Saad Muhammad,? said Showtime boxing analyst Steve Farhood. ?He was as hard a puncher as I?ve ever seen in the featherweight division. He was also very slow, and was always getting off the floor to win, which made for great television fights. If he could hit you, there was nobody he couldn?t take out.? ?I only knew how to fight one way,? said the 5?8? Lopez, who will turn 53 in July but still looks like he could make the featherweight limit. ?I was very busy and always tried to come forward. I kept myself in good shape, so my stamina was never a problem. I?d just keep punching until I knocked my opponent out.? Among the championship caliber opponents Lopez did beat early in his career, which began in May 1971, was the previously undefeated Sean O?Grady, who he stopped in four rounds in February 1976, and Ruben Olivares who he stopped in seven. He was also stopped in nine by another red-hot California prospect, Bobby ?Schoolboy? Chacon, in May 1974. More than 16,000 fans turned out for that bout, which took place at the Los Angeles Sports Arena. In late November 1976 Lopez won the title by beating David Kotey in the champion?s hometown of Accra, Ghana, by a 15-round unanimous decision. Lopez was so revved up for that fight, he was oblivious to the 120,000 fans in attendance who were cheering on their local hero. The fight took place in a soccer stadium that usually accommodated 80,000 people. ?I didn?t let it bother me a bit,? said Lopez. ?I have a very strong character, and a will to survive. That?s what made me a good boxer. It didn?t matter where I went to win that title. I was going to bring it home. In Ghana there were about 15 or so Marines and people from the Peace Corps [in the arena]. They were the only people rooting for me. I was never so exhausted in my life as I was after that fight.? Lopez would make eight defenses of his title, seven of which he won by knockout, the other by disqualification. In June 1979, in his seventh defense, he stopped Mike Ayala in the 15th round of the The RING magazine?s Fight of the Year. Lopez was dethroned by the late, great Salvador Sanchez, who scored a 13th round TKO in February 1980. Four months later, Lopez hung up the gloves, presumably for good, after being stopped by Sanchez in the 14th round of their rematch. He had one comeback fight in 1992, scoring a third round knockout over Jorge Rodriguez, and then hung up the gloves for good. He has never looked back. ?Twice I fought Sanchez, who was a great fighter, no doubt,? said Lopez. ?But more people remember the fight with Ayala than the two with Sanchez.? Lopez, a self-described troubled youth who spent much of his childhood in Utah before moving to California as a teenager, began boxing when he followed his brother, welterweight Ernie ?Indian Red? Lopez, to the gym. Indian Red was seven years older than his kid brother, who worshipped him. Indian Red would go on to have a respectable pro career. In compiling a 47-13-1 (23 KOs) record, he beat Hedgemon Lewis two out of three times, but was stopped twice in title fights with Jose Napoles. He also lost to such fistic luminaries as Emile Griffith, Armando Muniz and John H. Stracey. ?Ernie was always my big brother, he still is,? said Little Red. ?I really looked up to him and wanted to do what he did. That?s how I got interested in boxing. It turned out to be a very good thing for me.? After his career ended in 1974, Indian Red hit the skids. His marriage dissolved and he was living with the daily weight of regret. He began drifting around the country, and Little Red got used to getting sporadic calls from him from all over the country. One month it might be New York. Six months later it would be Texas, Denver, Montana or Florida. One day the calls stopped, and Little Red didn?t hear his brother?s voice, or anything else about him, for ten years. ?It was rough,? said Little Red. ?We made a lot of calls, but couldn?t find anything out. Of course, I assumed the worst, but always held out hope that he?d come back, that he was alright.? ?Danny is a great brother, just like he?s a great father,? said Little Red?s wife Bonnie, a personnel clerk in the Walnut Valley Unified School District, not far from where the Lopez?s reside in San Bernardino County, California. ?He was real close with Ernie, and then he just disappeared. It was rough for everyone in the family.? The story had a surprisingly happy ending when a Los Angeles detective tracked Indian Red down to a Fort Worth homeless shelter, where he possessed nothing more than the clothes on his back. When he was reunited with his ex-wife, he learned that he had more grandchildren than he remembered and that he was about to be inducted into the California Boxing Hall of Fame. ?It was like he came back from the dead,? said Little Red. ?It was good to have him back.? While Indian Red had trouble dealing with the stresses of daily life, and he often escaped them by going on the road, his younger brother is the picture of stability. Working in construction, where he lays pipe and digs ditches, Lopez still looks incredibly fit. His voice is raspy, which he attributes to boxing, but his faculties are intact. It is obvious that he and Bonnie, who met as teenagers when she babysat Indian Red?s children, adore each other. He calls her the ?wind beneath my wings.? They have three children. Bronson, 32, is a field manager for a national food chain, and Jeremy and Dylan, 30 and 26 respectively, are both warehousemen. ?Danny was a wonderful fighter, and he is a wonderful father and grandfather,? said Bonnie. ?He was always coaching Little League or taking the kids fishing. He had a difficult childhood, and didn?t want them to go through the same thing.? She still marvels at how accommodating he is to his fans, and how much he seems to genuinely appreciate their support. This was clearly evident at this year?s Hall of Fame induction weekend in Canastota, New York. Lopez was mobbed everywhere he went. He declined no requests for autographs or photos, and was more than happy to exchange chitchat with each and every one of his stalwart fans. Asked if he ever tired of hearing he was so many people?s favorite fighter of a bygone era, he just laughed. ?I?ll never get tired of hearing that,? he said. ?It?s great to know that I left an impression.? Sense. . . ". . . . . . . Danny "Little Red" Lopez exemplifies exactly why I love boxing. ". . . . . what made him most popular was the fact that he got knocked down with regularity." All of us have experience moments in our daily life?s when we were knocked down as well. Getting up off the floor to face our adversities is not always an easy thing to do. Sometimes, we think we can find easier ways "a la", Michael Nunn, Tony Ayala Jr., Mike Tyson, Sony Liston, etc. just to name a few, and the list is long, I'm sure. This is an inspirational story for everyone; young and old, boxing fan or not. . . . . " -- Edited by JRLF at 10/02/2008 12:13 PM PDT
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> > For the Record: > > > > My Top Ten Pound for Pound: > > > > 1.Sugar Ray Robinson > > 2.Henry Armstrong > > 3.Willie Pep > > 4.Harry Greb > > 5.Joe Louis > > 6.Benny Leonard > > 7.Jack Johnson > > 8.Sam Langford > > 9.Muhammad Ali > > 10.Roberto Duran > > > > > > That's not a bad top 10, not perfect, but not > bad by > > any means. > > sense. . . . > > I would add add Archie Moore to your list. > > Here's an article about Tommy "Hurricane" Jackson. > I met Tommy when he fought Eddie Vick in 1959. He was > certainly a strange character ~ sad actually. > > Here goes. . . . I don't know who wrote the article. > > > Tommy ?Hurricane? Jackson > (08-09-31 - 02-14-81) > > This is not about some old movie ? an actor playing a > fighter ? nothing like that. This one is for a > heavyweight of the 1950s ? a forgotten warrior of > yesterday - one that truly epitomized the term "crowd > pleaser." > > Tommy "Hurricane" Jackson ? an odd one to be sure ? > couldn?t be interviewed ? mostly verbalized with > himself and made no sense at all - but my, oh my, > could he scrap. > > Was tall at 6-3 and weighed in at 195 ? never used > the height and reach against smaller foes ? opted to > bring it to the other guy in nonstop fashion. > > Tommy complemented the busy style with a rock solid > chin ? had a reservoir of stamina that was developed > over miles of running on the beaches of his Far > Rockaway, NY home. > > The door to the big tent of MSG would open come 1954 > - wins over power punching household names Rex Layne > (TKO6), Clarence Henry (UD), Dan Bucceroni (KO6) was > the ticket. > > A decision loss in April of 1954, to tricky and slick > Jimmy Slade, was quickly forgotten by most fans > filling the Garden at 8th & 50th, for Jackson?s > maiden voyage to MSG main event status against > left-hooking Charlie Norkus. > > Norkus could punch ? but never had a prayer ? found > the Jackson chin, but never caused a dent, as Tommy > the "Hurricane" kept up the barrage round after round > before Norkus submitted in stanza five. > > The purveyors of pugilism found themselves in a > proverbial catch-22 setting - they loved the dinero > Tommy brought in, but quivered at the thought of a > heavyweight champion that seemed qualified for a room > at the big town?s loony bin. > > A loss to Cuban star Nino Valdez slowed the momentum > - a TKO2 under the new three knockdown rule - no > physical damage, the finisher more a take-down than > knockdown - but the hierarchy breathed a bit easier. > > Still, Tommy would eventually get his title shot with > defending champion Floyd Patterson on July 29, 1957 ? > was stopped in round ten - but the resumé also > reflects wins over the likes of Ezzard Charles > (twice), Rex Layne, Bob Baker, Jimmy Slade and other > contenders of the day. > > Fate would not be kind to Jackson come retirement ? > was first spotted shining shoes on the sidewalk below > the Jamaica elevated 168th St. stop ? later it was > driving a gypsy cab - and then the word - struck down > by passing car while polishing his taxi. > > "Hurricane" lingered a bit at Jamaica hospital in > Queens, NY before hearing the final ten count ? the > story never made a big splash in the New York dailies > - but during them final days one sports columnist > remembered. > > It was Jack Lang, editor of the now defunct Long > Island Daily Press, that recalled the excitement > Jackson brought to every dance - and penned a piece > about the ol? Hurricane ? asked fans that he once > entertained to dig deep for a few pennies to help the > Jackson family with the mounting medical bills. > > And why not, for Tommy surely gave at the office on > each and every trip to the big tent of MSG - to the > delight of the paying customers. > > -- > Edited by JRLF at 10/02/2008 10:11 AM PDT ******************************************* *** Top #15, pound for pound, no particular order! #1. Sugar Ray Robinson #2. Joe Louis #3. Jack Johnson #4. Muhammad Ali #5. Roberto Duran #6. Rocky Marsiano #7. Emile Griffin #8. Carlos Monzon #9. Willie Pep #10. Jose Napoles #11. Ismael Laguna #12. Henry Armstrong #13. Larry Holmes #14. Salvador Sanchez #15. Mike Spinks There you have it, just off the brain. Tough to only pick #10 without actually looking @ the boxing records book, so I went with #15 instead off the cuff. Alot depends on what era you grew up in & access to radio,TV's, newspapers or live! Also, what part of the country you may have been raised at, west coast, east coast, north or south? I'm sure theres others that may qualify depending on individual preference. ******************************************* -- "GHOST of BOOGIE"
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Re: Boxing Stories & Articles
Oct 2, 2008 2:36 PM
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I disagree with you Luke, obviously today's athletes have the benefits of sports science , modern medicine, diet, professionalism etc, but it's hard to argue there wasn't a better talent pool back then, far superior IMO. You say they fought to earn a living, it was about money, and that's why you had far more athletic men turning to boxing instead of the plethera of sports options now. Back in the day, fighters were fighters .....
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Re: Boxing Stories & Articles
Oct 2, 2008 2:17 PM
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this article makes some good points. unfortunately I disagree with most of them. Let me take out a couple quotes and speak on them "Angelo Dundee says, you cannot judge a fighter by what you see on TV. Dundee asserts that you have to see the fighter in question fighting live in order to judge their ability. Therefore few people remain alive today who even saw Marciano fight, let alone Louis" "This opens up the next problem facing my generation: lack of history and the loss of those who were there." One problem boxing has, and baseball shares the same problem. They are too stuck on their history. The sport has too much nostalgia and its hard for the sport to move from past to present. Regardless I've never seen Babe Ruth play, I barely seen footage but most people say he is the best to ever play even until now. A Barry Bonds argument would be quite legit but his alleged steroid use puts a cloud over everything. I can say the same about Jim Brown football player. I seen some footage here and there. A lot of folks still say he is the best. Arguable debates when you bring up Barry Sanders name. But if you the best your legacy last thru generations This larger talent pool meant another thing: more fights. Willie Pep clocked 241 professional bouts, the most in modern ring history. Archie Moore had 221, and Sugar Ray Robinson had 202 fights. These are extreme examples, but the average fighter of that era had between sixty and one-hundred fights in their career. There wasn't a larger pool talent back then than there is now(with exception to heavyweights) People fought more because they needed more money. The purses were alot smaller. Sugar Ray Robinson fought LaMotta five or 6 times. If that happened now we'd be saying Robinson don't need to fight this guy anymore and if the talent pool was so large why are you fighting the same fighters. Basically it was amatter of economics not talent. As a matter of fact I believe fighters now are more talented and more athletic and are stonger. Rocky Marciano is great but if he was fighting in the 90's do you see him beating Lennox Lewis? Holyfield. Marciano worked for that era but fighters are more talented. i don't believe too much in the best fighters are playing other sports theory. Either you are a fighter or you aren't its that simple. Sugar Ray Robinson. Maybe the best P4P ever. Fought great fights but a lot of those fights were againsts guys you'd never heard of because they weren't that good. Padded records in the interest of making money to feed your family. It was about money then too. Just in a different way. ....by the way Roy Jones is one of the greatest P4P fighters that ever lived. Thats shouldn't even be a question. Ali would of been too much for Joe Louis too handle. Louis best shot would be to hopefully catch him with a right hook that would hurt him. Otherwise Ali would school Louis. Willie Pep would be Paulie Maginaggi if he fought now. He fought in away that most fighters were not use to his approach. It would be like basketball great George Mikan trying to play center against Wilt, and Kareem, and Russell. He'd be dominated. Kind of like Pep if he fought Mayweather.
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Re: Boxing Stories & Articles
Oct 2, 2008 2:15 PM
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Here's an interesting little boxing snippet with regards to Jack Johnson ..... WASHINGTON -- The first black heavyweight champion should be granted a presidential pardon for a racially motivated conviction 75 years ago that blemished his reputation and hurt his boxing career, the House of Representatives recommended Friday. Jack Johnson became world heavyweight champion in 1908, sparking a search for a white boxer, dubbed "the Great White Hope," who could beat him. In 1913, Johnson was convicted of violating the Mann Act, which outlawed the transportation of women across state lines for immoral purposes. Authorities had first unsuccessfully tried to charge Johnson over his relationship with a white woman, who later became his wife. They then found another white woman who testified that Johnson had transported her across state lines in violation of the Mann Act. Jack Johnson was convicted of transporting a woman across state lines for immoral purposes and served nearly a year in prison. Johnson fled the country, returning in 1920 to serve nearly one year in prison in Leavenworth, Kan. He tried to renew his boxing career after leaving prison, but never regained his title. The House resolution, passed by voice, states that Johnson paved the way for black athletes to participate and succeed in integrated professional sports and that he was "wronged by a racially motivated conviction prompted by his success in the boxing ring and his relationships with white women." The resolution urged President Bush to grant Johnson, who died in 1946, a posthumous pardon. "He was a victim of the times and we need to set the record straight -- clear his name -- and recognize him for his groundbreaking contribution to the sport of boxing," said Rep. Peter King, R-N.Y., author of the resolution. The measure now goes to the Senate, where Republican presidential nominee John McCain has a companion resolution. ....... Hopefully justice will finally be served and his name can be cleared.
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Re: Boxing Stories & Articles
Oct 2, 2008 2:08 PM
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First off, that ain't my Top 10 J, it's the opinion of the unknown writer of that article. But can I just say thanks for posting the Jackson article, that was a joy to read! Some of "Hurricane's" victories were phenomenal, and it is sad, but so common for boxers in that era, that he ended up the way he did after lighting up the lives of fans everywhere with his entertaining style and doubtless courage. Let's keep the stories coming guys .....
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Re: Boxing Stories & Articles
Oct 2, 2008 1:10 PM
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> For the Record: > > My Top Ten Pound for Pound: > > 1.Sugar Ray Robinson > 2.Henry Armstrong > 3.Willie Pep > 4.Harry Greb > 5.Joe Louis > 6.Benny Leonard > 7.Jack Johnson > 8.Sam Langford > 9.Muhammad Ali > 10.Roberto Duran > > > That's not a bad top 10, not perfect, but not bad by > any means. sense. . . . I would add add Archie Moore to your list. Here's an article about Tommy "Hurricane" Jackson. I met Tommy when he fought Eddie Vick in 1959. He was certainly a strange character ~ sad actually. Here goes. . . . I don't know who wrote the article. Tommy ?Hurricane? Jackson (08-09-31 - 02-14-81) This is not about some old movie ? an actor playing a fighter ? nothing like that. This one is for a heavyweight of the 1950s ? a forgotten warrior of yesterday - one that truly epitomized the term "crowd pleaser." Tommy "Hurricane" Jackson ? an odd one to be sure ? couldn?t be interviewed ? mostly verbalized with himself and made no sense at all - but my, oh my, could he scrap. Was tall at 6-3 and weighed in at 195 ? never used the height and reach against smaller foes ? opted to bring it to the other guy in nonstop fashion. Tommy complemented the busy style with a rock solid chin ? had a reservoir of stamina that was developed over miles of running on the beaches of his Far Rockaway, NY home. The door to the big tent of MSG would open come 1954 - wins over power punching household names Rex Layne (TKO6), Clarence Henry (UD), Dan Bucceroni (KO6) was the ticket. A decision loss in April of 1954, to tricky and slick Jimmy Slade, was quickly forgotten by most fans filling the Garden at 8th & 50th, for Jackson?s maiden voyage to MSG main event status against left-hooking Charlie Norkus. Norkus could punch ? but never had a prayer ? found the Jackson chin, but never caused a dent, as Tommy the "Hurricane" kept up the barrage round after round before Norkus submitted in stanza five. The purveyors of pugilism found themselves in a proverbial catch-22 setting - they loved the dinero Tommy brought in, but quivered at the thought of a heavyweight champion that seemed qualified for a room at the big town?s loony bin. A loss to Cuban star Nino Valdez slowed the momentum - a TKO2 under the new three knockdown rule - no physical damage, the finisher more a take-down than knockdown - but the hierarchy breathed a bit easier. Still, Tommy would eventually get his title shot with defending champion Floyd Patterson on July 29, 1957 ? was stopped in round ten - but the resumé also reflects wins over the likes of Ezzard Charles (twice), Rex Layne, Bob Baker, Jimmy Slade and other contenders of the day. Fate would not be kind to Jackson come retirement ? was first spotted shining shoes on the sidewalk below the Jamaica elevated 168th St. stop ? later it was driving a gypsy cab - and then the word - struck down by passing car while polishing his taxi. "Hurricane" lingered a bit at Jamaica hospital in Queens, NY before hearing the final ten count ? the story never made a big splash in the New York dailies - but during them final days one sports columnist remembered. It was Jack Lang, editor of the now defunct Long Island Daily Press, that recalled the excitement Jackson brought to every dance - and penned a piece about the ol? Hurricane ? asked fans that he once entertained to dig deep for a few pennies to help the Jackson family with the mounting medical bills. And why not, for Tommy surely gave at the office on each and every trip to the big tent of MSG - to the delight of the paying customers. -- Edited by JRLF at 10/02/2008 10:11 AM PDT
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That's interesting kp. Pug, I can't find excerpts from The Zen, I'll try again later. Also found nothing on a search for the book "The Sweet Science". I don't know who wrote this article but I found it quite interesting, and I agree wholeheartedly that fighters " back in the day " were better than the pampered stars of modern boxing. Here goes ........ Kids these days don?t have the proper respect that they should. Or rather, they don?t have the proper education that they should. My generation is ga-ga over guys like Roy Jones Jr. and Floyd Mayweather and readily consider them top pound-for-pound all time greats. I?m simply tired of hearing that Roy Jones Jr. is one of the greatest that ever lived and being dismissed as ?foolish? (only in more colorful tones) when I make assertions to the contrary. Why is this? Why has the memory of such greats as Ezzard Charles, Gene Tunney, Harry Greb, Henry Armstrong, Willie Pep, and Sugar Ray Robinson faded so badly? I have a few explanations. Reason one: Muhammad Ali. Ali certainly was an exceptional fighter. For most of the 1960?s he was unmatched in ability and stamina (Although in ?67 when he was stripped, a young brawler named Joe Frazier was rapidly moving up the ranks). Muhammad Ali?s greatest trait however was his mouth. Ali was first and foremost a showman and his dynamic and charismatic personality, not to mention boundless ego, created a shadow that is so great, few fighters before or since are even mentioned in the same breathe as Ali. Which, of course, is a mistake. This opens up the next problem facing my generation: lack of history and the loss of those who were there. Jack Johnson, who was Ali?s equal and hero, won the Heavyweight championship of the world 100 years ago. I doubt any person who was at his fight with Tommy Burns in Australia is still alive. Worse yet is that film was more than in it?s infancy when he fought so only a few bits and pieces of Johnson?s legacy remain intact. This problem is being remedied, somewhat, by the recent trend of publishing biographies about the old-timers. Unfortunately it is hard to make a comparison between a book and TV footage, and, as Angelo Dundee says, you cannot judge a fighter by what you see on TV. Dundee asserts that you have to see the fighter in question fighting live in order to judge their ability. Therefore few people remain alive today who even saw Marciano fight, let alone Louis, Dempsey, or Greb. This is the next problem, over-exposure in today?s media. Everyone of Roy Jones Jr.?s knockouts from amateur to champion, and everyone of Mike Tyson?s knockouts from amateur to champion have been recorded and played back to us in some way or another. This wealth of exposure and continued replaying of these fighters (based on the availability of footage of them) has us seeing these spectacular knockouts over and over. When you see the same guy knocking out people again and again, you get to thinking that they?re pretty good. Marciano on the other hand, one of the greatest of all time, only has about eight or nine knockouts still available to us on tape. Why? Because in the late 1940?s and early 1950?s you didn?t get on TV unless you were one of the best, and virtually no one had home movie cameras. Also, if you did get on TV your performance was just as likely to get taped over because they needed the reel for the next program. Graziano-Zale I and II and Ezzard Charles?s three great fights with Moore have no surviving film clips. The level of visibility just isn?t there for the old timers, especially because Ali, Tyson, and Jones are still alive and mentioned to us in one way or another through television and the internet. So why am I harping about the old guys when I myself was born a full three years after Ali?s last fight? After all I most certainly wasn?t there for Louis-Schmelling, Marciano-Walcott and Dempsey-Firpo. I?ve done a lot of reading, mostly about the old-timers, and my information comes from people who were there. And they all say the same thing: fighters today aren?t what fighters used to be. This, to an extent, is true, and it is somewhat sad that I respect the fighters who lived and died before I was even born more than the ones in my own lifetime. Before I put my foot any further in my mouth, let me state that boxing is the most difficult sport, period. Just because I think Sugar Shane Mosely isn?t as good as Sugar Ray Robinson, or that Roy Jones isn?t an Ezzard Charles, doesn?t prevent me from holding those two athletes above those steroid-ridden sissies who play baseball, the criminals of basketball, and those spoiled brat jerks who play football. Roy may be pushing 40 and he?s my ten or eleven all time light-heavyweight, but I?ll take him over Ray Lewis any day of the week. That being said, I?ll return to my previous rant. So what made the fighters of the 30?s, 40?s, and 50?s (Boxing?s golden era) so good? First off there was a much larger talent pool. Today, any kid with the potential to become a good fighter will probably end up playing football, basketball, baseball, or, god forbid, MMA. All four of those sports have more recognizable ?heroes? and easily joined youth leagues (except MMA) than boxing. The big three (football, baseball, and basketall) routinely report million-dollar salaries and hype their athlete?s to no end. The economically depressed (which has always provided us with the greatest athlete?s) look towards other sports than boxing for a way out. The fighters who made up Boxing?s golden age were the children of dirt-poor European immigrants or black kids who came up in Detroit and Harlem after the great migration. Either way, the gods of the golden age grew up in the ghettos, fighting other kids, and figuring out that they could make a way for themselves with their fists. Gymnasiums and athletic clubs at the time only had boxing equipment. Treadmills, weight machines, and dieticians didn?t exist. When you went to the gym, you went there to box. The amateur program also was much larger and the Golden Gloves national champions were almost as famous as the professionals. This larger talent pool meant another thing: more fights. Willie Pep clocked 241 professional bouts, the most in modern ring history. Archie Moore had 221, and Sugar Ray Robinson had 202 fights. These are extreme examples, but the average fighter of that era had between sixty and one-hundred fights in their career. In fact, Marciano?s 49-0 was considered an incredibly short career. Floyd Mayweather?s 38 ? 0 seems absurdly low, or maybe incomplete, in comparison to the men of yesteryear. More fights also meant you could lose. Today, one mistimed loss can set a fighter back years. In the old days, if you lost and needed redemption, you fought the guy the next week, and maybe next month, and maybe a few more times after that. Rivalries routinely had six to ten fights in a series. The extreme example is that Charlie Goldman fought his chief rival, George Kitson, sixty times. Pep may have gone 1-3 against Sandy Saddler, but he is generally regarded as the best that featherweight ever had to offer. LaMotta dropped five against Sugar Ray Robinson, but he?s still on a lot of top-ten middleweight lists. Another problem today is the over-saturation of the sports market. Sports in America is no longer an athletic pursuit, but big business. The participants routinely demand more money, while the owners try newer and more aggressive ways pack in the fans and expand their markets. The problem is that today there are just too many sports. Football, baseball, basketball, Hockey, MMA, Olympics, Golf, Tennis, NASCAR, and college sports. Take that together and you have ten different sports or sport categories, and I didn?t even mention Boxing. What ten or twelve year old is going to go read about some guy he?s never even heard of who fought for a title a hundred years ago when the TV is telling him everything he needs to know about his hero Eli Manning? Once again the visibility issue comes to the fore. Overall, I think that the fighters of yesteryear were better. A deeper talent pool presented tougher opponents, and more fights garnered more experience. They may have disappeared from the mainstream memory, but those old timers gave everything they had and many died broke, blind, and dumb because of the grueling schedules they fought. It is both unfair and disrespectful to those who established boxing as a great sport to consider fighters who had less opposition and less fights greater when we don?t even know how good either group really is, and comparisons between the two are difficult to say the least. If young people like myself don?t pick up some books or go the Ring?s archives and read some Nat Fliescher, who will carry on the memory of Friday?s Heroes? What will happen to Sugar Ray?s, Rocky?s, Tiger?s, and Joe?s that made boxing great? Kids these days?it?s not that we?re a bad or inferior generation, we just need an education. For the Record: My Top Ten Pound for Pound: 1.Sugar Ray Robinson 2.Henry Armstrong 3.Willie Pep 4.Harry Greb 5.Joe Louis 6.Benny Leonard 7.Jack Johnson 8.Sam Langford 9.Muhammad Ali 10.Roberto Duran That's not a bad top 10, not perfect, but not bad by any means. Everyone agree with the points this guy makes ? ..
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yeah great article. my great uncle horace used to work with ketchel actually. he lived about 2 miles from him and they used to play baseball on the same farm team and work odd jobs when they were in their teens. this was way before he became a fighter. but from what i hear about ketchel he was a genuinely nice guy, who would give you the shirt off of his back.
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Re: Boxing Stories & Articles
Sep 30, 2008 1:51 PM
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Yeah, I read it. Very interesting, too ! I knew Ketchel was murdered, but not the cowardly way he was, by being shot in the back !
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Sep 30, 2008 12:53 PM
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Nice one pug, I'm actually doing a search just now myself to see what I can find on these two books that have been mentioned. Did you read the Ketchel article ?
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