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"At age 26, Dawson already has wins over Tomasz Adamek, Glen Johnson and now Tarver to his credit. Soon he'll be a fixture on many pound-for-pound lists, but it says here that he's already the best 175-pounder on the planet."
Steve Kim finally realized this after Saturday's fight. It's a bit weird, that Dawson is a great talent, yet hardly anybody mentions it. I mean he just had a huge win this past Saturday night and nobody really comments on it and a lot of people actually picked him to lose. I think is probably b/c he's in the wrong network.
Hardcore fans or not if Jim Lampley is not telling you this guy is the 2nd coming of SRL, is hard to get excited about him. Either way at 26 Dawson has shown that he's the real deal people where expecting a guy like Berto to win.
As for his performance, I was actually a bit disappointed b/c this guy has potential to be Floyd like. I won't say RJJ like, b/c well NOBODY can be like Roy. However Dawson posseses some of the same traits Floyd does, but some of the huge flaws Judah has. The most aggrevating thing he does is that he gives away parts of the rounds; and I don't mean just run around, he actually stands and takes punches he shoudln't be taking.
Either way a fight that should be a no brainer is him and Pav. Both are up and comers, both are taking on old dogs, they should do what Oscar, Tito, and Quartey did and fight each other during their prime.
As it is I would take Dawson by UD.
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> It should be even clearer now, but I'll say it again
> Dawson beats Pav. He's just too good for him.
>
> Also I would pick him over Bhop, he just moves too
> much for the old man.
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I also think Dawson would beat Hopkins in a tough fight, hopefully we'll get see that same Hopkins in the ring with Chad before spring.
I've made my pick (which is Chad), but I must admit I couldn't care less about which one of 'em got jakked up. I like good fights and that seems to be the most logical fight on the horizon imo.
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> >riki,
>
> > I been around here for a little bit longer than you
> my friend.
>
> That has nothing to do with anything, where did that
> come from? sounds like an old western movie
> line....or McCain's campaign slogan against
> Obama.....ok!
>
riki,
You're reading far too much into the post than necessary. I'll try an make it plainer:
When a person has been living in a neighborhood four years longer than his neighbor, he usually knows a little bit more about the neighborhood. get it?
> >Any win by either PW or Chad Dawson will be met with
> excuses for losing just like Roy Jones Jr. We're
> gonna hear stuff like:
> >B. Hop ruined him or mentally Pavlik never got over
> his lost to Hopkins or Pavlik just doesn't have it
> anymore, or any of a dozen of excuses they try an
> come up with around here.
> >When Quintana lost to Cotto I didn't make up any
> excuses and when Mosely lost to Winky I didn't make
> up any excuses, I never picked Tarver to beat Hopkins
> but I still didn't make up any excuses for Antonio.
>
> If these 3 paragraph's indicate your reason for
> Pavlik losing "flavor", I get it Brutus, you just
> used a sledgehammer to kill a fly, but I understand
> your view in the end.
>
Bingo!................We're on the same page here. Using a sledgehammer to kill a fly has ALWAYS been my abso- lute intention", or MO as it were.
> >Why even debate some these fights or some of these
> fighters abilities if folks can't deal with some of
> their favorite fighters losing without making up a
> ton of excuses for them?.
>
> All i said was Pavlik has people gunnin for him in
> the SMW and MW Division, because he still holds some
> status there. I never said pavlik was my favorite
> fighter personally, but I give him his props, even
> with his this loss, and will watch his next fight. As
> far as people making excuses, I agree, but I also
> listen to good points if a pundit or enthusiast show
> validity behind what they say.
>
>
> "because I am hard you will not like me, but the more
> you hate me the more you will learn, I am hard, but I
> am fair, there is no racial bigotry here" ~ Full
> Metal Jacket.
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> Edited by rikyricardo79 at 10/20/2008 2:17 AM PDT
I suppose anybody can come up with a valid excuse here and there, as to why a particular fighter lost. The difference being: I normally keep all my so-called valid excuses to myself.
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It should be even clearer now, but I'll say it again Dawson beats Pav. He's just too good for him.
Also I would pick him over Bhop, he just moves too much for the old man.
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>riki,
> I been around here for a little bit longer than you my friend.
That has nothing to do with anything, where did that come from? sounds like an old western movie line....or McCain's campaign slogan against Obama.....ok!
>Any win by either PW or Chad Dawson will be met with excuses for losing just like Roy Jones Jr. We're gonna hear stuff like:
>B. Hop ruined him or mentally Pavlik never got over his lost to Hopkins or Pavlik just doesn't have it anymore, or any of a dozen of excuses they try an come up with around here.
>When Quintana lost to Cotto I didn't make up any excuses and when Mosely lost to Winky I didn't make up any excuses, I never picked Tarver to beat Hopkins but I still didn't make up any excuses for Antonio.
If these 3 paragraph's indicate your reason for Pavlik losing "flavor", I get it Brutus, you just used a sledgehammer to kill a fly, but I understand your view in the end.
>Why even debate some these fights or some of these fighters abilities if folks can't deal with some of their favorite fighters losing without making up a ton of excuses for them?.
All i said was Pavlik has people gunnin for him in the SMW and MW Division, because he still holds some status there. I never said pavlik was my favorite fighter personally, but I give him his props, even with his this loss, and will watch his next fight. As far as people making excuses, I agree, but I also listen to good points if a pundit or enthusiast show validity behind what they say.
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Zip - Pavlik has been exposed. It doesn't matter now who beats him. Hopkins will get the credit for setting the playbook in motion. Anyone who beats Pavlik from here on out will play second fiddle. There won't need to be any excuses.
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> "A victory over Pavlik in the future now by either
> PW or Chad Dawson won't have the same flavor."
>
> Well ZIP, that's a yes and a no, Pavlik still is top
> dog in his division, and parades around with
> something Dawson, Abraham, Kessler, Andrade, and a
> couple of others are capable of obtaining between SMW
> and MW, they are are gunnin for Pavlik , and he sits
> in their radars comfortably.
>
> --
> "because I am hard you will not like me, but the more
> you hate me the more you will learn, I am hard, but I
> am fair, there is no racial bigotry here" ~ Full
> Metal Jacket.
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> Edited by rikyricardo79 at 10/19/2008 3:24 PM PDT
riki,
I been around here for a little bit longer than you my friend. Any win by either PW or Chad Dawson will be met with excuses for losing just like Roy Jones Jr. We're gonna hear stuff like:
B. Hop ruined him or mentally Pavlik never got over his lost to Hopkins or Pavlik just doesn't have it anymore, or any of a dozen of excuses they try an come up with around here.
When Quintana lost to Cotto I didn't make up any excuses and when Mosely lost to Winky I didn't make up any excuses, I never picked Tarver to beat Hopkins but I still didn't make up any excuses for Antonio.
Why even debate some these fights or some of these fighters abilities if folks can't deal with some of their favorite fighters losing without making up a ton of excuses for them?.
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> > Tarver caught Roy at the right time???Please!
> Man
> > that post is weaker than month old coffee. Roy
> was
> > sittin on the top of the WORLD when he got beat
> by
> > Antonio Tarver.
>
> Come on bro...Roy had clearly been slipping by the
> time he fought Tarver. Hell, people in this forum
> had mentioned Roy slipping even before he went to
> heavyweight.
>
> Add, having to lose about 20 lbs of muscle to be able
> to squeeze back down to 175lbs and you can see it was
> physically impossible for Roy to be the same guy he
> was when he destroyed Virgil Hill.
>
> BTW, the Roy that destroyed Hill, would've CLEARLY
> beaten Tarver.
>
> Hell, a clearly diminished Roy beat him in the first
> fight...and had a chance at beating him again in the
> third fight if he hadn't been so gunshy
FF,
First off we differ on who won that first fight, I think Tarver won and you think Roy won. I don't think either one of us is willing to change our positions on that one so that's OK, fine, but I got three questions.
#1.)In what fight leading up to his first fight with Antonio Tarver did Roy Jones show his so-called skill fading?
#2.) If Roy was SO DIMINISHED as you say, then how come everybody and their brother around here gave me such a tough time when I first got here and said Antonio was gonna put the worlds previously undefeat- ed P4P champ Roy Jones into a COMA?
Why????????
And last but not least, question #3.) Why did Roy Jones himself say "he could not have beaten Antonio Tarver at any time during their respective career's??"
The impression I felt was: I had committed boxing sacrilege when I said "Roy Jones was gonna get knocked out by Antonio Tarver." From what I remember: When Roy got knocked out (exactly like I said he would ) it was so amazing to everyone that it made head lines around the globe. Do you deny this?
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"A victory over Pavlik in the future now by either PW or Chad Dawson won't have the same flavor."
Well ZIP, that's a yes and a no, Pavlik still is top dog in his division, and parades around with something Dawson, Abraham, Kessler, Andrade, and a couple of others are capable of obtaining between SMW and MW, they are are gunnin for Pavlik , and he sits in their radars comfortably.
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Super long responses......
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> > > > > >
> > > > > > going to the ropes he
> OBVIOUSLY
> > made
> > > it
> > > > more
> > > > > > difficult than it had to be.
>
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I've always assumed that most
> fighters
> >
> > > > > wind up there after getting the
> > dogs**t
> > > > > knocked out of them in the center
> of
> > the
> > > > > ring......I noticed that
> repeated
> > pattern
> > > > > in Pavlik/Taylor one, despite
> having
> > Taylor
> > >
> > > > > slightly ahead on points.
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Edited by JimEarl at 10/16/2008
> 9:21
> > PM
> > > PDT
> > > >
> > > > No, It was Pavlik that got beat worst
> in
> > the
> > > middle
> > > > of the ring. When did you EVER see
> Kelly
> > Pavlik
> > > do
> > > > any- thing of significance to Jermaine
> in
> > the
> > > "middle
> > > > of the ring"? Name the round???
> > > >
> > > > Pavlik only fights well when he has
> his
> > man
> > > pinned
> > > > against the ropes.
> > > >
> > > > On another note:
> > > >
> > > > Besides the fact that he took a full
> scale
> > > beating
> > > > from Bernard Hopkins tonight, the
> only
> > other
> > > thing
> > > > that really hurt Kelly Pavlik tonight
> is
> > that
> > > he
> > > > really started belivin all that stuff
> yall
> > be
> > > writing
> > > > about him. That's too bad.
> > > >
> > > > Anyhow,..
> > > >
> > > > If Kelly Pavlik would have paid
> closer
> > > attention to
> > > > my post's (the things that I
> write
> > about
> > > him)
> > > > which is un-sugar coated truth he may
> have
> > > > fared a bit better in his fight
> tonight.
> > > >
> > > > Don't get me wrong now: after Kelly's
> > second
> > > fight
> > > > with Jermaine Taylor where he got
> fully
> > > exposed,
> > > > Pavlik's beat down was basically
> > unavoidable,
> > > but
> > > > maybe it wouldn't have been as bad as
> it
> > was.
> > > >
> > > > Kelly's boxin game really got exposed
> in
> > the
> > > first
> > > > fight with Jermaine if you ask me,
> except
> > Taylor
> > > let
> > > > him off the hook, but you folks
> ignored it
> > > especially
> > > > after Jermaine got his self knocked
> out.
> > The
> > > only
> > > > thing Bernard Hopkins did was see
> Pavlik's
> > game
> > > for
> > > > what it was (which wasn't very much)
> and he
> > took
> > > full
> > > > advan- tage of it.
> > > >
> > > > Both Jermaine Taylor and Kelly Pavlik
> were
> > > overrated
> > > > HBO, but Pavlik even moreso.
> > > >
> > > > Hey, after sellin all those wolf
> ticket's
> > I
> > > wonder if
> > > > Pavlik's trainer/manager is gonna
> jump? I
> > hope
> > > not.
> > > > He needs an- other fight and Pavlik
> needs
> > > another
> > > > manager.
> > > >
> > > > The ugly truth: Kelly
> Pavlik
> > needs to
> > > learn
> > > > how to fight, "in the center of the
> ring."
> >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Edited by ziptop at 10/19/2008 2:38 AM
> PDT
> > >
> > > Zip,
> > >
> > > From what I understand, Pavlik paid NO
> attention
> > to
> > > o your advice-laden boxing posts. But, he
> did
> > listen
> > > to you where the oil market was concerned,
> &
> > yanked
> > > his money out of 'em back in Mid-August.
> > > He appreciated the tips.
> >
> > Jabs,
> >
> > Yeah right, are you serious? LOL or are you
> just
> > tryin to be funny. I'll pick the latter.
>
>
> As serious as you are about Kelly Pavlik logging in
> n here & taking your style tips.
OK, jabs...
touche'
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> > > > >
> > > > > going to the ropes he OBVIOUSLY
> made
> > it
> > > more
> > > > > difficult than it had to be.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > I've always assumed that most fighters
>
> > > > wind up there after getting the
> dogs**t
> > > > knocked out of them in the center of
> the
> > > > ring......I noticed that repeated
> pattern
> > > > in Pavlik/Taylor one, despite having
> Taylor
> >
> > > > slightly ahead on points.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Edited by JimEarl at 10/16/2008 9:21
> PM
> > PDT
> > >
> > > No, It was Pavlik that got beat worst in
> the
> > middle
> > > of the ring. When did you EVER see Kelly
> Pavlik
> > do
> > > any- thing of significance to Jermaine in
> the
> > "middle
> > > of the ring"? Name the round???
> > >
> > > Pavlik only fights well when he has his
> man
> > pinned
> > > against the ropes.
> > >
> > > On another note:
> > >
> > > Besides the fact that he took a full scale
> > beating
> > > from Bernard Hopkins tonight, the only
> other
> > thing
> > > that really hurt Kelly Pavlik tonight is
> that
> > he
> > > really started belivin all that stuff yall
> be
> > writing
> > > about him. That's too bad.
> > >
> > > Anyhow,..
> > >
> > > If Kelly Pavlik would have paid closer
> > attention to
> > > my post's (the things that I write
> about
> > him)
> > > which is un-sugar coated truth he may have
> > > fared a bit better in his fight tonight.
> > >
> > > Don't get me wrong now: after Kelly's
> second
> > fight
> > > with Jermaine Taylor where he got fully
> > exposed,
> > > Pavlik's beat down was basically
> unavoidable,
> > but
> > > maybe it wouldn't have been as bad as it
> was.
> > >
> > > Kelly's boxin game really got exposed in
> the
> > first
> > > fight with Jermaine if you ask me, except
> Taylor
> > let
> > > him off the hook, but you folks ignored it
> > especially
> > > after Jermaine got his self knocked out.
> The
> > only
> > > thing Bernard Hopkins did was see Pavlik's
> game
> > for
> > > what it was (which wasn't very much) and he
> took
> > full
> > > advan- tage of it.
> > >
> > > Both Jermaine Taylor and Kelly Pavlik were
> > overrated
> > > HBO, but Pavlik even moreso.
> > >
> > > Hey, after sellin all those wolf ticket's
> I
> > wonder if
> > > Pavlik's trainer/manager is gonna jump? I
> hope
> > not.
> > > He needs an- other fight and Pavlik needs
> > another
> > > manager.
> > >
> > > The ugly truth: Kelly Pavlik
> needs to
> > learn
> > > how to fight, "in the center of the ring."
>
> > >
> > > --
> > > Edited by ziptop at 10/19/2008 2:38 AM PDT
> >
> > Zip,
> >
> > From what I understand, Pavlik paid NO attention
> to
> > o your advice-laden boxing posts. But, he did
> listen
> > to you where the oil market was concerned, &
> yanked
> > his money out of 'em back in Mid-August.
> > He appreciated the tips.
>
> Jabs,
>
> Yeah right, are you serious? LOL or are you just
> tryin to be funny. I'll pick the latter.
As serious as you are about Kelly Pavlik logging in here & taking your style tips.
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> > > >
> > > > going to the ropes he OBVIOUSLY made
> it
> > more
> > > > difficult than it had to be.
> > > >
> > >
> > > I've always assumed that most fighters
> > > wind up there after getting the dogs**t
> > > knocked out of them in the center of the
> > > ring......I noticed that repeated pattern
> > > in Pavlik/Taylor one, despite having Taylor
>
> > > slightly ahead on points.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Edited by JimEarl at 10/16/2008 9:21 PM
> PDT
> >
> > No, It was Pavlik that got beat worst in the
> middle
> > of the ring. When did you EVER see Kelly Pavlik
> do
> > any- thing of significance to Jermaine in the
> "middle
> > of the ring"? Name the round???
> >
> > Pavlik only fights well when he has his man
> pinned
> > against the ropes.
> >
> > On another note:
> >
> > Besides the fact that he took a full scale
> beating
> > from Bernard Hopkins tonight, the only other
> thing
> > that really hurt Kelly Pavlik tonight is that
> he
> > really started belivin all that stuff yall be
> writing
> > about him. That's too bad.
> >
> > Anyhow,..
> >
> > If Kelly Pavlik would have paid closer
> attention to
> > my post's (the things that I write about
> him)
> > which is un-sugar coated truth he may have
> > fared a bit better in his fight tonight.
> >
> > Don't get me wrong now: after Kelly's second
> fight
> > with Jermaine Taylor where he got fully
> exposed,
> > Pavlik's beat down was basically unavoidable,
> but
> > maybe it wouldn't have been as bad as it was.
> >
> > Kelly's boxin game really got exposed in the
> first
> > fight with Jermaine if you ask me, except Taylor
> let
> > him off the hook, but you folks ignored it
> especially
> > after Jermaine got his self knocked out. The
> only
> > thing Bernard Hopkins did was see Pavlik's game
> for
> > what it was (which wasn't very much) and he took
> full
> > advan- tage of it.
> >
> > Both Jermaine Taylor and Kelly Pavlik were
> overrated
> > HBO, but Pavlik even moreso.
> >
> > Hey, after sellin all those wolf ticket's I
> wonder if
> > Pavlik's trainer/manager is gonna jump? I hope
> not.
> > He needs an- other fight and Pavlik needs
> another
> > manager.
> >
> > The ugly truth: Kelly Pavlik needs to
> learn
> > how to fight, "in the center of the ring."
> >
> > --
> > Edited by ziptop at 10/19/2008 2:38 AM PDT
>
> Zip,
>
> From what I understand, Pavlik paid NO attention to
> o your advice-laden boxing posts. But, he did listen
> to you where the oil market was concerned, & yanked
> his money out of 'em back in Mid-August.
> He appreciated the tips.
Jabs,
Yeah right, are you serious? LOL or are you just tryin to be funny. I'll pick the latter.
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>BTW Zip,
>I don't recall you making a pick in JME's "FIGHT POLLS"
>thread. Gloating is best left to the pickers of winners,
>imo.
Please,...As many negative post's that I've written against Kelly Pavlik and what I thought he was all about and how he would LOSE badly to either PW or Chad should more than enough for me to gloat. And that sir is exactly what I'm doin. 
I've never made a pick on JME's "FIGHT POLLS"I make my picks in my own written post's, besides
The only sad part is: A victory over Pavlik in the future now by either PW or Chad Dawson won't have the same flavor.
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> > >
> > > going to the ropes he OBVIOUSLY made it
> more
> > > difficult than it had to be.
> > >
> >
> > I've always assumed that most fighters
> > wind up there after getting the dogs**t
> > knocked out of them in the center of the
> > ring......I noticed that repeated pattern
> > in Pavlik/Taylor one, despite having Taylor
> > slightly ahead on points.
> >
> > --
> > Edited by JimEarl at 10/16/2008 9:21 PM PDT
>
> No, It was Pavlik that got beat worst in the middle
> of the ring. When did you EVER see Kelly Pavlik do
> any- thing of significance to Jermaine in the "middle
> of the ring"? Name the round???
>
> Pavlik only fights well when he has his man pinned
> against the ropes.
>
> On another note:
>
> Besides the fact that he took a full scale beating
> from Bernard Hopkins tonight, the only other thing
> that really hurt Kelly Pavlik tonight is that he
> really started belivin all that stuff yall be writing
> about him. That's too bad.
>
> Anyhow,..
>
> If Kelly Pavlik would have paid closer attention to
> my post's (the things that I write about him)
> which is un-sugar coated truth he may have
> fared a bit better in his fight tonight.
>
> Don't get me wrong now: after Kelly's second fight
> with Jermaine Taylor where he got fully exposed,
> Pavlik's beat down was basically unavoidable, but
> maybe it wouldn't have been as bad as it was.
>
> Kelly's boxin game really got exposed in the first
> fight with Jermaine if you ask me, except Taylor let
> him off the hook, but you folks ignored it especially
> after Jermaine got his self knocked out. The only
> thing Bernard Hopkins did was see Pavlik's game for
> what it was (which wasn't very much) and he took full
> advan- tage of it.
>
> Both Jermaine Taylor and Kelly Pavlik were overrated
> HBO, but Pavlik even moreso.
>
> Hey, after sellin all those wolf ticket's I wonder if
> Pavlik's trainer/manager is gonna jump? I hope not.
> He needs an- other fight and Pavlik needs another
> manager.
>
> The ugly truth: Kelly Pavlik needs to learn
> how to fight, "in the center of the ring."
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> Edited by ziptop at 10/19/2008 2:38 AM PDT
Zip,
From what I understand, Pavlik paid NO attention to your advice-laden boxing posts. But, he did listen to you where the oil market was concerned, & yanked his money out of 'em back in Mid-August.
He appreciated the tips.
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