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Seems like light ages ago when I saw Evander cheated at the 84 olympics. He had to be jealous seeing all the gold his teammates were wearing after the games. But , in my opinion, he's had one of the best careers in the post Ali era. A former light heavyweight and heavyweight champion, Evender was the real deal. Skill and heart seems to be a rarity these days. With the multi talented K- brothers hogging the heavies down with their methodical yet boring as hell title defense, I've take to watching youtube to see how real boxers perform. I hate to say it this way because I can aleays find words to express my thoughts, but I'd rather watch pig fucking as a sport than those two, which brings me back to the content of this post. Where does Evander rank in the hearts of true boxing fans ?
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Re: Where does Evander Holyfield rank among the boxing greats ?
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I believe Evander made his mark exceptionally well, It's hard to really not have him on a top list. I'd say a top 20 Heavyweight for sure.
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Re: Where does Evander Holyfield rank among the boxing greats ?
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Interesting question. I liked him a lot once upon a time and would probably, in my lifetime, rank him in the top 10. But his last few fights were questionable enough that I'm not sure I would. I don't know where he'd rank if I thought of it overall not just my lifetime.
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Re: Where does Evander Holyfield rank among the boxing greats ?
Jul 1, 2009 7:47 PM
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> > > > > > Lewis lacks a defining
> fight?
> > Well,
> > > so
> > > > does
> > > > > Tyson.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Don't give me Spinks,
> either.
> > > > >
> > > > > Holmes.
> > > > >
> > > > > Burbick, Ruddick...and a whole
> slew
> > of
> > > > non-'gimme'
> > > > > bouts.
> > > > >
> > > > > come on man......Lewis hasn't
> really
> > > beaten
> > > > anyone of
> > > > > note- who was in their prime.
> > > > >
> > > > > BTW - Didn't you argue in
> favor of
> > > Spinks'
> > > > GREATNESS
> > > > > a few days ago brah ! ? LMAO
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > "May we never condemn in a
> > brother,
> > > what
> > > > we
> > > > > would pardon in ourselves..."
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Edited by GoldenGluvs at
> 07/01/2009
> > 4:12 PM
> > > PDT
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > You obviously didn' pay attention to
> the
> > > > e argument...'cause my entire focus
> was on
> > > Spinks as
> > > > a 175lber, remember?
> > > >
> > > > The Spinks who lost to Tyson was a
> > terrified,
> > > rusty,
> > > > , ready to hit-the-floor fighter.
> > >
> > > Oh .. I paid attention: Just understand -
> > I'm
> > > THOROUGHLY ripped right now 
> > >
> > > --
> > > "May we never condemn in a brother,
> what
> > we
> > > would pardon in ourselves..."
> > >
> >
> >
> > Holiday weekend already underway? What's on the
> > e "menu"?
>
> Dude...The kids are away..the wife and I are both ,
> very much seperated from reality, we're rapping up
> our little internet searches/talks , before going to
> peep some rented flicks.
>
> GREAT night of relaxation and reacquaintance. 
>
> Oh..BTW Forgot: We ordered like 6 differenct chinese
> food meals and some wings from PIzza Hut. We'll
> probably eat ourselves into a coma before the night
> is up lol
>
> What're your plans looking like for the weekend ?
>
> --
> "May we never condemn in a brother, what we
> would pardon in ourselves..."
>
Dude...enjoy it while you can!
Heading out tomorrow night to a few choice spots. Friday is a day of landscaping- too much rain has shit growing like wildfire & giving little time for getting rid of. Looking forward to doing nothing that night, except make a sangria for a big-time BBQ with family & friends on the 4th. Weather-permitting....hitting the Jersey shore on Sunday morning, & contemplating extending the weekend through Monday.
All-in-all....great American fun.
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Re: Where does Evander Holyfield rank among the boxing greats ?
Jul 1, 2009 7:40 PM
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> > > > > Lewis lacks a defining fight?
> Well,
> > so
> > > does
> > > > Tyson.
> > > > >
> > > > > Don't give me Spinks, either.
> > > >
> > > > Holmes.
> > > >
> > > > Burbick, Ruddick...and a whole slew
> of
> > > non-'gimme'
> > > > bouts.
> > > >
> > > > come on man......Lewis hasn't really
> > beaten
> > > anyone of
> > > > note- who was in their prime.
> > > >
> > > > BTW - Didn't you argue in favor of
> > Spinks'
> > > GREATNESS
> > > > a few days ago brah ! ? LMAO
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > "May we never condemn in a
> brother,
> > what
> > > we
> > > > would pardon in ourselves..."
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Edited by GoldenGluvs at 07/01/2009
> 4:12 PM
> > PDT
> > >
> > >
> > > You obviously didn' pay attention to the
> > > e argument...'cause my entire focus was on
> > Spinks as
> > > a 175lber, remember?
> > >
> > > The Spinks who lost to Tyson was a
> terrified,
> > rusty,
> > > , ready to hit-the-floor fighter.
> >
> > Oh .. I paid attention: Just understand -
> I'm
> > THOROUGHLY ripped right now
> >
> > --
> > "May we never condemn in a brother, what
> we
> > would pardon in ourselves..."
> >
>
>
> Holiday weekend already underway? What's on the
> e "menu"?
Dude...The kids are away..the wife and I are both , very much seperated from reality, we're rapping up our little internet searches/talks , before going to peep some rented flicks.
GREAT night of relaxation and reacquaintance.
Oh..BTW Forgot: We ordered like 6 differenct chinese food meals and some wings from PIzza Hut. We'll probably eat ourselves into a coma before the night is up lol
What're your plans looking like for the weekend ?
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Re: Where does Evander Holyfield rank among the boxing greats ?
Jul 1, 2009 7:37 PM
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> > > > Lewis lacks a defining fight? Well,
> so
> > does
> > > Tyson.
> > > >
> > > > Don't give me Spinks, either.
> > >
> > > Holmes.
> > >
> > > Burbick, Ruddick...and a whole slew of
> > non-'gimme'
> > > bouts.
> > >
> > > come on man......Lewis hasn't really
> beaten
> > anyone of
> > > note- who was in their prime.
> > >
> > > BTW - Didn't you argue in favor of
> Spinks'
> > GREATNESS
> > > a few days ago brah ! ? LMAO
> > >
> > > --
> > > "May we never condemn in a brother,
> what
> > we
> > > would pardon in ourselves..."
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Edited by GoldenGluvs at 07/01/2009 4:12 PM
> PDT
> >
> >
> > You obviously didn' pay attention to the
> > e argument...'cause my entire focus was on
> Spinks as
> > a 175lber, remember?
> >
> > The Spinks who lost to Tyson was a terrified,
> rusty,
> > , ready to hit-the-floor fighter.
>
> Oh .. I paid attention: Just understand - I'm
> THOROUGHLY ripped right now
>
> --
> "May we never condemn in a brother, what we
> would pardon in ourselves..."
>
Holiday weekend already underway? What's on the "menu"?
Mine starts around lunch time tomorrow.
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Re: Where does Evander Holyfield rank among the boxing greats ?
Jul 1, 2009 7:35 PM
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> > > Lewis lacks a defining fight? Well, so
> does
> > Tyson.
> > >
> > > Don't give me Spinks, either.
> >
> > Holmes.
> >
> > Burbick, Ruddick...and a whole slew of
> non-'gimme'
> > bouts.
> >
> > come on man......Lewis hasn't really beaten
> anyone of
> > note- who was in their prime.
> >
> > BTW - Didn't you argue in favor of Spinks'
> GREATNESS
> > a few days ago brah ! ? LMAO
> >
> > --
> > "May we never condemn in a brother, what
> we
> > would pardon in ourselves..."
> >
> >
> > --
> > Edited by GoldenGluvs at 07/01/2009 4:12 PM PDT
>
>
> You obviously didn' pay attention to the
> e argument...'cause my entire focus was on Spinks as
> a 175lber, remember?
>
> The Spinks who lost to Tyson was a terrified, rusty,
> , ready to hit-the-floor fighter.
Oh .. I paid attention: Just understand - I'm THOROUGHLY ripped right now
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Re: Where does Evander Holyfield rank among the boxing greats ?
Jul 1, 2009 7:16 PM
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> > Lewis lacks a defining fight? Well, so does
> Tyson.
> >
> > Don't give me Spinks, either.
>
> Holmes.
>
> Burbick, Ruddick...and a whole slew of non-'gimme'
> bouts.
>
> come on man......Lewis hasn't really beaten anyone of
> note- who was in their prime.
>
> BTW - Didn't you argue in favor of Spinks' GREATNESS
> a few days ago brah ! ? LMAO
>
> --
> "May we never condemn in a brother, what we
> would pardon in ourselves..."
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>
> --
> Edited by GoldenGluvs at 07/01/2009 4:12 PM PDT
You obviously didn' pay attention to the argument...'cause my entire focus was on Spinks as a 175lber, remember?
The Spinks who lost to Tyson was a terrified, rusty, ready to hit-the-floor fighter.
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Re: Where does Evander Holyfield rank among the boxing greats ?
Jul 1, 2009 7:14 PM
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> > Lewis lacks a defining fight? Well, so does
> Tyson.
> >
> > Don't give me Spinks, either.
>
> Holmes.
>
> Burbick, Ruddick...and a whole slew of non-'gimme'
> bouts.
>
> come on man......Lewis hasn't really beaten anyone of
> note- who was in their prime.
>
> --
> "May we never condemn in a brother, what we
> would pardon in ourselves..."
>
I do give Mike more props now for beating Holmes than I did a while back.
He's the only guy to KO Larry, & he really smoked him. Larry not only was never KO'd after that, he schooled Mercer, & really troubled Holyfield & McCall in title fights years after Mike mopped him up.
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Re: Where does Evander Holyfield rank among the boxing greats ?
Jul 1, 2009 7:11 PM
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> Lewis lacks a defining fight? Well, so does Tyson.
>
> Don't give me Spinks, either.
Holmes.
Burbick, Ruddick...and a whole slew of non-'gimme' bouts.
come on man......Lewis hasn't really beaten anyone of note- who was in their prime.
BTW - Didn't you argue in favor of Spinks' GREATNESS a few days ago brah ! ? LMAO
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Re: Where does Evander Holyfield rank among the boxing greats ?
Jul 1, 2009 7:10 PM
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Lewis lacks a defining fight? Well, so does Tyson.
Don't give me Spinks, either.
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Re: Where does Evander Holyfield rank among the boxing greats ?
Jul 1, 2009 6:41 PM
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> > tyson's an interesting character and if he had
> his
> > head right he would have been in the top 3 or 4
> HW's.
> > His downfall was his immaturity and his
> attaraction
> > n to the ghetto hype life.
> > but despite that potential high ranking he was
> > s always susceptiuble to a fighter with a geat
> jab,
> > long reach and a good chin, and ali and holmes
> and
> > d lennox in their best days have a better than
> good
> > shot at taking him out.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > I came
> > I saw
> > and I conquered
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> > Edited by cargilb1 at 07/01/2009 3:26 AM PDT
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> > --
> > Edited by cargilb1 at 07/01/2009 3:27 AM PDT
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> > Edited by cargilb1 at 07/01/2009 3:27 AM PDT
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> When you talk about Tyson, you have to take into
> account his impact on the sport as well as his
> record. He is, and in my opinion will always remain
> the youngest heavyweight champ of all time. That in
> itself warrants a top 5 place for him. He is a
> bonafide cult hero. Fight Round 4 is selling like hot
> cakes in a recession and his popularity among the
> public here and abroad rivals Ali. He and Ali are
> neck and neck in the polls. In the Tyson era, he was
> a small heavy but the most dynamic figure in the
> ring. A baby knocking the shit out of grown men. He
> lost what Ali had, that support group and father
> figure he needed sorely. Did he beat greats ?
> Spinks,Holmes, devastating KO's. Berbick,Williams,
> Tucker,Thomas, not walks in the park. Razor
> Ruddock,Golota,Ferguson, Bonercrusher Smith, Bruno,
> Seldon, Decent fighters. Losses a huge upset to
> Douglas, Holyfield- on steroids and Lewis past his
> prime. A prime Tyson was both dynamic and a
> moneymaker. He made HBO a household name. On his best
> day may have KO'd anybody. He is above All heavies in
> his era. Louis , ALi , Dempsey, Johnson, Tyson
> .....you fill in the rest. Lewis would be higher but
> lacks a defining fight.>
Right On E!
Well stated.
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Re: Where does Evander Holyfield rank among the boxing greats ?
Jul 1, 2009 6:39 PM
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> tyson's an interesting character and if he had his
> head right he would have been in the top 3 or 4 HW's.
> His downfall was his immaturity and his attaraction
> n to the ghetto hype life.
> but despite that potential high ranking he was
> s always susceptiuble to a fighter with a geat jab,
> long reach and a good chin, and ali and holmes and
> d lennox in their best days have a better than good
> shot at taking him out.
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> I saw
> and I conquered
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> Edited by cargilb1 at 07/01/2009 3:26 AM PDT
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> Edited by cargilb1 at 07/01/2009 3:27 AM PDT
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> Edited by cargilb1 at 07/01/2009 3:27 AM PDT
When you talk about Tyson, you have to take into account his impact on the sport as well as his record. He is, and in my opinion will always remain the youngest heavyweight champ of all time. That in itself warrants a top 5 place for him. He is a bonafide cult hero. Fight Round 4 is selling like hot cakes in a recession and his popularity among the public here and abroad rivals Ali. He and Ali are neck and neck in the polls. In the Tyson era, he was a small heavy but the most dynamic figure in the ring. A baby knocking the shit out of grown men. He lost what Ali had, that support group and father figure he needed sorely. Did he beat greats ? Spinks,Holmes, devastating KO's. Berbick,Williams, Tucker,Thomas, not walks in the park. Razor Ruddock,Golota,Ferguson, Bonercrusher Smith, Bruno, Seldon, Decent fighters. Losses a huge upset to Douglas, Holyfield- on steroids and Lewis past his prime. A prime Tyson was both dynamic and a moneymaker. He made HBO a household name. On his best day may have KO'd anybody. He is above All heavies in his era. Louis , ALi , Dempsey, Johnson, Tyson .....you fill in the rest. Lewis would be higher but lacks a defining fight.
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Re: Where does Evander Holyfield rank among the boxing greats ?
Jul 1, 2009 6:23 AM
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tyson's an interesting character and if he had his head right he would have been in the top 3 or 4 HW's. His downfall was his immaturity and his attaraction to the ghetto hype life.
but despite that potential high ranking he was always susceptiuble to a fighter with a geat jab, long reach and a good chin, and ali and holmes and lennox in their best days have a better than good shot at taking him out.
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Re: Where does Evander Holyfield rank among the boxing greats ?
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> Everyone is entitled to their opinions in the
> rankings, but Tyson should not be higher than
> Holyfield on any list. Tyson beat a bunch of old
> guys past their prime. As soon as he got in their
> with a great he got his *ss kicked. What great
> fighters does Tyson have on his resume? Meanwhile
> the Real Deal fought Foreman, Bowe, Lewis, and beat
> up Tyson. Who did Tyson fight before his whippin
> from Holyfield? He only fought them tough fights
> after his career was basically over....
Yeah I went back and forth with that and let Holyfield's
spotty record towards the end be the factor.....but
they both have those. And I still have the Ukrainian
to consider. So how about I just split the number
ten spot between the three of them ?
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Re: Where does Evander Holyfield rank among the boxing greats ?
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> Man I started thinking about it and there's
> just no way that I can keep Lennox Lewis
> off of my top ten. He would be #4 if not for
> the two muggings. It's not favoritism, just
> how I think he would have done....Can't go
> with Burt Sugar on that one.
>
> And as fair as I could make it it's Evander that
> just gets squeezed out by the Ukrainian hypnotist
> and Mike Tyson.
> Adaptability was a factor in putting Holmes above
> Louis....may the gods have mercy.
>
> Muhammed Ali
> Riddick Bowe
> Jack Johnson
> Larry Holmes
> Joe Louis
> George Foreman
> Sonny Liston
> Lennox Lewis
> Joe Frazier
> Mike Tyson
>
> Wladimir Klitschko and Evander Holyfield are the
> ones that just miss out of my top ten. Marciano
> is #13
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Everyone is entitled to their opinions in the rankings, but Tyson should not be higher than Holyfield on any list. Tyson beat a bunch of old guys past their prime. As soon as he got in their with a great he got his *ss kicked. What great fighters does Tyson have on his resume? Meanwhile the Real Deal fought Foreman, Bowe, Lewis, and beat up Tyson. Who did Tyson fight before his whippin from Holyfield? He only fought them tough fights after his career was basically over....
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