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* Looks like Fraud is cherry picking as usual..lol Out of the four possible opponents, I say he picks Mayorga. Why? Because he brings the biggest entertainment value, lowest risk, and the easiest to hit and the least skilled..lol.. that's why Fraud will take the PATH OF LEAST RESISTANCE! Collazo, Quintana, Campbell, Mayorga ...I SEE HARA-KIRI FROM THE NUTLICKERS COMING..LOL * -- Roy "Original Fraud" Jones Jr. Bernard "Lie To Mama" Hopkins Juanita "Please Rematch Me" Marquez Cotto: "Fraud's Nightmare" Hatton: Overhyped Journeyman Shame "The Cheater" Mosely Kelly "Exposed" Pavlik Joe "Senior Killer" Calzaghe V and V: The Klitoris Brothers Roy Jones Lite: Great Waste Less Willing -- Edited by themandingo at 03/26/2009 4:09 PM PDT
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Re: Fraud Picks Tomato Cans for Return Bout on July 11th
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140?Cotto,Tsyzu,Hatton,Harris? The various belt-holders at the time & all turned down fights with Mayweather. All of them.
147? Cotto is his worst nightmare? He was one fight and a month or so past Mosley(disputable dec) and being ready for Mayweather when PBF had already talked about retiring after Oscar. Two if you count Judah. If he really wanted Mayweather, he'd have made a lot more noise at 147 or he should have taken the fight at 140 when he had the chance. But he was too busy getting knocked on his ass by Ricardo Torres. LOL!
PBF beats Judah,Baldo-regardless of what anyone thinks of those two, they were the linear title holders. Judah f##ked up and lost Baldo so PBF fought them both. Margarito is the only guy that can claim he made a legit offer and was turned down.
hey, the stuff that occurred at LWW is all a matter of conjecture. Lets assume that your interpretation of things is accurate. Fine then, everyone feared FM at LWW and he didn't get the fights. it still does not mean he could beat everyone, but if you want to give him those non-fought victories, be my guest.
FM goes to WW, now every WW out there want to fight him, and...what happens??
so from LWW to WW we have not seen FM fight the best because os this curious phenomena that occurs around FM: fights never get made, and they are never fought, but he gets credit for hypothetical victories based on lesser competition that he ends up fighting.
in one division everyone fears him and fights never get fought, in another division, everyone wants to fight the "cock of the walk" but ...ummm..., you know! Whatever happened or didn't happen,...umm happened, or didn't happen.
whewww, this is confusing.
why doesn't he just fight the fights? it would be a hell of a lot easier to explain all of this.
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Re: Fraud Picks Tomato Cans for Return Bout on July 11th
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Dodged at 130? Who? Anyone remember the Genaro Hernandez, Angel Manfreddy & Diego Corrales fights? Casamayor had lost Freitas, Freitas was not interested. Who does that leave?
135? Fought Castillo-twice when the least resistance would have been not to take the second fight. Who else was there for him to fight at LW? Mosley? He tried. Mosley had already decided he was going to 147 to fight Oscar but PBF did offer the fight,was turned down.
hmmm, when FM fought ODLH, ODLH had come off a loss to b-hop. ODLH took a fight with mayorga before he fought FM but that was just to put a win on his record as the world knew ODLH was winning that. RM is about a step up from a tomato can because he is nuts and will drop his guard during a fight and allow his opponent to take clean shots at him. In addition to that, his defense is porous to begin with.
the 4 fights before FM, ODLH fought Mosely and lost, Sturm and got a gift victory, and b-hop and got knocked out, and then R mayorga and finally won a clean and decisive bout; then he fought FM.
FM fights people that are losing, and it was just as easy to let casamayor fight a tomato can or a step above it, and set up a fight with the most gifted and technically sound LW of the last maybe 10 yrs. G hernandez, freitas, corrales, were not as technically soud as casamayor, or as good. The freitas casamayor fight was marred with referee interference and cotroversial calls. Casamayor as was his custom undermined himself and became his own worst enemy and helped freitas win by losing his cool. freitas did not beat Casamayor; casamayor beat casamayor.
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Re: Fraud Picks Tomato Cans for Return Bout on July 11th
Mar 27, 2009 8:24 AM
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> Let me put it this way. The truly great fighters
> like Leonard, Duran, Hearns earned their greatness by
> moving up in weight and fighting the best guys in the
> division there. None of them earned their HOF status
> by fighting smaller opponents.
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> I understand what you're saying Gunrunner but when
> the smaller guy is labeled the best P4P then the
> small stuff goes out the window. If Paul Williams
> took a fight with Floyd, no one would criticize him
> for taking the fight. Pacquio is a smaller guy but
> has a very big name, so no one can be criticized for
> fighting him!! He's a big boy and no one makes him
> fight at this weight and everybody pays to see him!
> Why are you criticizing Mayweather for going for the
> biggest title??? Why would you criticize anybody for
> that matter!!
>
> The hate some people have for fighters have them not
> thinking before they type. We all have opinions but
> this one is a little crazy to me. Mayweather should
> be ashamed for wanting to fight the guy that has the
> biggest name right now? Are you saying that Pac has
> no shot? Did you think the same thing about him
> fighting De La Hoya??
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> http://fist2face.wordpress.com/2009/03/16/is-pretty-bo
> y-floyd-who-he-say-he-is
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> Edited by Pharris000 at 03/26/2009 10:56 PM PDT
there is an exception to your rule. yes, no one would blame williams for fighting Mayweather, and I am speaking of when PW was a WW. But, and there is where the onion lies, this would be one fight and it is more about FM backing up his claims to greatness and to being a legit WW champ. So, yes, william's would not be labeled "The midget killer". But, if williams said yhe was an all time great, or his fans insisted he were an all time great, then non-believers would ask PW to step it up and not prove he is an all time great by fighting, Marquez, Hatton and Pacman.
he would be expected to fight LMW's of which there are plenty and clean up the division or foght the best LMW's then move up to MW and fight Abrahams and pavlik. ALL in all that is would make him a 3 division champ. SO, he could make claims that he is about as good as several other 3 div champs (1 major division ww to MW).
If he really wants to show some greatness in the class of a Duran, he needs to do more; like maybe fight dawson at LHW and represent himself well, even if he lost; and he needs to eventually wwin a belt at LHW.
Winning the SMW belt would also be good.
you know, of all the fighters today, because of his size (6'1"); PW has maybe the best potential to become great. He has the potential to go to cruiser weight because he has that large frame.
this is pretty much the same as it was for Pacman who among strawweights and flyweights was pretty big for that weight class, and has filled out and is now attemting to fight at LWW; but i don't think PW has the relative speed of a Pacman.
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Re: Fraud Picks Tomato Cans for Return Bout on July 11th
Mar 27, 2009 8:14 AM
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Was it really fucking necessary to start another thread on Floyd Mayweather, Jr, ? hah, was it ?
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Re: Fraud Picks Tomato Cans for Return Bout on July 11th
Mar 27, 2009 8:06 AM
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> > > Right........but not talk from Floyd and
> his
> > camp AKA
> > > RUMORS.
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> > Let me put it this way. The truly great fighters
> like
> > Leonard, Duran, Hearns earned their greatness
> by
> > moving up in weight and fighting the best
> guys
> > in the division there. None of them earned their
> HOF
> > status by fighting smaller opponents.
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> > Edited by GunRunner2 at 03/26/2009 9:55 PM PDT
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> Maybe I am missing something. Who are the smaller
> opponents you are talking about?
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Re: Fraud Picks Tomato Cans for Return Bout on July 11th
Mar 27, 2009 2:52 AM
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I'm trying to follow this subject line. Floyd Mayweather is not all that much "naturally bigger" than Pacuiao. They did arguably their best work four pounds apart-Manny at 126, Mayweather at 130.
Before everyone goes off and calls me a "PBF Nuthugger", let me just ask this. Who did he miss on his way up to WW that he didn't fight or try to fight?
Dodged at 130? Who? Anyone remember the Genaro Hernandez, Angel Manfreddy & Diego Corrales fights? Casamayor had lost Freitas, Freitas was not interested. Who does that leave?
135? Fought Castillo-twice when the least resistance would have been not to take the second fight. Who else was there for him to fight at LW? Mosley? He tried. Mosley had already decided he was going to 147 to fight Oscar but PBF did offer the fight,was turned down.
140?Cotto,Tsyzu,Hatton,Harris? The various belt-holders at the time & all turned down fights with Mayweather. All of them.
147? Cotto is his worst nightmare? He was one fight and a month or so past Mosley(disputable dec) and being ready for Mayweather when PBF had already talked about retiring after Oscar. Two if you count Judah. If he really wanted Mayweather, he'd have made alot more noise at 147 or he should have taken the fight at 140 when he had the chance. But he was too busy getting knocked on his ass by Ricardo Torres. LOL!
PBF beats Judah,Baldo-regardless of what anyone thinks of those two, they were the linear title holders. Judah f##ked up and lost Baldo so PBF fought them both. Margarito is the only guy that can claim he made a legit offer and was turned down.
He's "naturally" much bigger than Mayweather but nobody would bitch at Margarito if that fight happened. But Mayweather was waiting for Mosley and Oscar to decide who was gonna fight him. Incidentally he tried to fight Spinks too-not that anyone would want to see that one-but first Oscar turned him down, then Mosley(2nd time) and then Oscar took it. Hatton talked shit on live TV and got the fight. Anyone claiming to want Mayweather should do the same. Just like Marquez did.
Mayweather vs Pacquiao. If you agree that the Manny-Marquez fights were tight(anybody with eyes could reasonably have given both fights to Marquez) and if Mayweather is more elusive and an equally great counter-puncher-add to that the fact he's faster than Marquez-That fight could be bad news for the Manny faithful.
Now, the fight that should really happen is Mosley. But anyone bitching at a fighter out of the ring for 15mos taking a tune-up fight before a big fight is just not paying attention to the way boxers work.
I can understand if you don't like the way Mayweather fights and that's fine. But to claim he never fought anyone and dodged the best in every division on the way up needs to add a little credibility by naming a fighter(other than Margarito) that would have made any sense at all that wasn't offered the opportunity. Should he have fought Quintana? Cotto fans weren't calling him a tomato can when he won his title by fighting him. Why is he one now? And if he is and he beat Williams, what does that make Williams?
I just don't see a boxer out there other than Mosley giving Mayweather too many problems. There's always the chance that he loses half a step after the layoff which for him would be disastrous. But I don't hear alot of people bitching at Manny for fighting Hatton the way they did when Floyd fought him. Why?
Not a big Mayweather fan. The only time I ever rooted for him was against the "Golden Girl". But at least recognize talent and give credit where it's due. Everyone that hates Mayweather and knocks him for his choice in opposition needs to look back at Leonard, Duran, Hearns, Robinson, Ali-all the greats careers and count the tomato cans there. They were fortunate enough to have opposition at or close to their own level. Mayweather hasn't been so lucky.
If Mayweather hangs around long enough to no longer be what he once was, he'll be called a fraud when somebody actually comes close to beating him.
Until then, give me a credible name that wasn't offered a fight vs Mayweather that didn't get one?
Margarito already excluded or conceded. And after seeing what Mosley did to Tony-granted Mosley is just a flat out tough guy-but Mayweather is an even better tactician than Shane. I can admit that with Mosley being my favorite fighter at this moment.
So, take away Mosley, Cotto, Tsyzu, Harris, Casamayor, Freitas, Castillo, Corrales, Hernandez, who's left? Paul Williams? The guy that got beat by a tomato can? And you want to talk about being "naturally bigger"? Gonna have to be a little more credible than that.
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Re: Fraud Picks Tomato Cans for Return Bout on July 11th
Mar 27, 2009 1:55 AM
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Let me put it this way. The truly great fighters like Leonard, Duran, Hearns earned their greatness by moving up in weight and fighting the best guys in the division there. None of them earned their HOF status by fighting smaller opponents.
I understand what you're saying Gunrunner but when the smaller guy is labeled the best P4P then the small stuff goes out the window. If Paul Williams took a fight with Floyd, no one would criticize him for taking the fight. Pacquio is a smaller guy but has a very big name, so no one can be criticized for fighting him!! He's a big boy and no one makes him fight at this weight and everybody pays to see him! Why are you criticizing Mayweather for going for the biggest title??? Why would you criticize anybody for that matter!!
The hate some people have for fighters have them not thinking before they type. We all have opinions but this one is a little crazy to me. Mayweather should be ashamed for wanting to fight the guy that has the biggest name right now? Are you saying that Pac has no shot? Did you think the same thing about him fighting De La Hoya??
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Re: Fraud Picks Tomato Cans for Return Bout on July 11th
Mar 27, 2009 1:37 AM
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> Let me put it this way. The truly great fighters like
> Leonard, Duran, Hearns earned their greatness by
> moving up in weight and fighting the best guys
> in the division there. None of them earned their HOF
> status by fighting smaller opponents.
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> Edited by GunRunner2 at 03/26/2009 9:55 PM PDT
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Re: Fraud Picks Tomato Cans for Return Bout on July 11th
Mar 27, 2009 12:59 AM
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> > Right........but not talk from Floyd and his
> camp AKA
> > RUMORS.
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> Let me put it this way. The truly great fighters like
> Leonard, Duran, Hearns earned their greatness by
> moving up in weight and fighting the best guys
> in the division there. None of them earned their HOF
> status by fighting smaller opponents.
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> Edited by GunRunner2 at 03/26/2009 9:55 PM PDT
Maybe I am missing something. Who are the smaller opponents you are talking about?
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Re: Fraud Picks Tomato Cans for Return Bout on July 11th
Mar 27, 2009 12:54 AM
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> Right........but not talk from Floyd and his camp AKA
> RUMORS.
Let me put it this way. The truly great fighters like Leonard, Duran, Hearns earned their greatness by moving up in weight and fighting the best guys in the division there. None of them earned their HOF status by fighting smaller opponents.
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Re: Fraud Picks Tomato Cans for Return Bout on July 11th
Mar 27, 2009 12:49 AM
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> > > > so let me get this right Jack. Floyd
> plans
> > on
> > > > fighting Marquez r Pacquaio but he
> needs a
> > "tune
> > > up"
> > > > first.... LMAO!
> > >
> > > Thats right. LOL!
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> > Gunrunner you should read the article. Floyd
> said no
> > such thing. The article doesn't have a single
> quote
> > from Floyd or his team about what he plans to
> do.
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> But there is a lot of talk about him taking a tune up
> before he agrees to fight a naturally smaller guy.
> Much smaller.
Right........but not talk from Floyd and his camp AKA RUMORS.
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Re: Fraud Picks Tomato Cans for Return Bout on July 11th
Mar 27, 2009 12:47 AM
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> > > so let me get this right Jack. Floyd plans
> on
> > > fighting Marquez r Pacquaio but he needs a
> "tune
> > up"
> > > first.... LMAO!
> >
> > Thats right. LOL!
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> Gunrunner you should read the article. Floyd said no
> such thing. The article doesn't have a single quote
> from Floyd or his team about what he plans to do.
But there is a lot of talk about him taking a tune up before he agrees to fight a naturally smaller guy. Much smaller.
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Re: Fraud Picks Tomato Cans for Return Bout on July 11th
Mar 27, 2009 12:41 AM
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> > Actually you can find it just by searching
> "Mandingo"
> > in youtube. > http://www.youtube.com/results?search_type=&search_que
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> > ry=mandingo&aq=f" target="_blank">See?
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> That video is over a yr old. How would Croatian who
> claims to be a new comer know about that? 
Look at the date Croation joined.......Its been over a year.
I remember Mandingo reposting the video last year. I believe it was in the fall or so. But either way, it was last year but less than a year ago.
Why do I remember? Because I remember thinking how shockingly bizarre and sad it was.
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Re: Fraud Picks Tomato Cans for Return Bout on July 11th
Mar 27, 2009 12:39 AM
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> > so let me get this right Jack. Floyd plans on
> > fighting Marquez r Pacquaio but he needs a "tune
> up"
> > first.... LMAO!
>
> Thats right. LOL!
Gunrunner you should read the article. Floyd said no such thing. The article doesn't have a single quote from Floyd or his team about what he plans to do.
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Re: Fraud Picks Tomato Cans for Return Bout on July 11th
Mar 27, 2009 12:38 AM
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> Actually you can find it just by searching "Mandingo"
> in youtube. See?
That video is over a yr old. How would Croatian who claims to be a new comer know about that?
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