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Which of the two do you think, gives him a bigger winning chance? A) Be the agressor, plodding forward, throwing his bodypunches trying to break Manny down B) Counterpunching approach. Take what he learned from the JMM/Pacquiao fights and apply it, moving around waiting for the counter (I.E. he did some of that vs Mosley) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pg7CIhO2GkQ -- Edited by CroatianSensation at 10/25/2009 3:01 PM PDT
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Re: Which of the two gameplans should Cotto apply against Pacquiao?
Nov 9, 2009 4:21 PM
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> I don't know who most are who would favor such a
> hypothetical, havent done that poll.
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> Mosley and Margarito simply pound him IMO
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> Cotto may lose a SD, but Cotto has the KO ability if
> he catches him.
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> Quintana loses a Decision.
Put it this way, Floyd would be favored by the oddsmakers in all of those fights...certainly against Margarito.
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Re: Which of the two gameplans should Cotto apply against Pacquiao?
Nov 9, 2009 4:16 PM
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I was reading somewhere that Cotto's handlers will be taking extra precaution in checking Pacquiao's gloves before the fight. I guess he feels everybody must need to load up the gloves against him.
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Re: Which of the two gameplans should Cotto apply against Pacquiao?
Nov 9, 2009 4:16 PM
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I don't know who most are who would favor such a hypothetical, havent done that poll.
Mosley and Margarito simply pound him IMO
Cotto may lose a SD, but Cotto has the KO ability if he catches him.
Quintana loses a Decision.
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Re: Which of the two gameplans should Cotto apply against Pacquiao?
Nov 9, 2009 4:12 PM
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riky
I was simply responding to the hypothetical question of "would Mayweather keep his 0" if he'd faced the same opposition as Cotto. In my opinion, its not out of the realm of possibility to suggest that he would.
I didn't say anything about Baldomir, Hatton, Delahoya, etc.
I've long since lost interest in the Mayweather bashing/defending cycle that too often goes on in this place.
Its beyond tired, imo.
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Re: Which of the two gameplans should Cotto apply against Pacquiao?
Nov 9, 2009 4:12 PM
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> Problem is though CT is Cotto has been consistent
> with fighting the top tier in his own weight class.
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> 2ndly I wouldn't neccesarily use Baldomir as a gauge
> to the same level of a Cotto, Mosley, or Berto. nor
> would i say Hatton by far would get pounded against
> any of the 3. Baldo nor Hatton carried the boxing
> skill of the current top WW fighters, fact.DLH at one
> point in his career, earlier
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> A shot from Mosley, or Cotto is leagues above a punch
> taken by a blown up LW Marquez brotha!
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> Lastly I wouldn't expect Cotto to look good against
> equal or better opponents, it's the ability and balls
> to even get in the ring when the odds aren't always
> in your favor, you win some you lose some, now it's
> Pacquiao by most feeling he's simply the better
> gifted. Will Cotto prove us wrong? defy what the nay
> sayers think?
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> Edited by rikyricardo79 at 11/09/2009 1:09 PM PST
The question was how would Mayweather fare against those 4 named opponents. Most people would agree it's likely he comes out victorious over all 4.
I would expect him to win all 4.
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Re: Which of the two gameplans should Cotto apply against Pacquiao?
Nov 9, 2009 3:59 PM
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Problem is though CT is Cotto has been consistent with fighting the top tier in his own weight class.
2ndly I wouldn't neccesarily use Baldomir as a gauge to the same level of a Cotto, Mosley, or Berto. nor would i say Hatton by far would get pounded against any of the 3. Baldo nor Hatton carried the boxing skill of the current top WW fighters, fact.DLH at one point in his career, earlier
A shot from Mosley, or Cotto is leagues above a punch taken by a blown up LW Marquez brotha!
Lastly I wouldn't expect Cotto to look good against equal or better opponents, it's the ability and balls to even get in the ring when the odds aren't always in your favor, you win some you lose some, now it's Pacquiao by most feeling he's simply the better gifted. Will Cotto prove us wrong? defy what the nay sayers think?
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Re: Which of the two gameplans should Cotto apply against Pacquiao?
Nov 9, 2009 3:51 PM
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Cotto faced Quintana, Mosley, Margarito and Clottey...and went 3-1.
It doesn't seem outside the realm of possibility that Mayweather goes 4-0 against that same group.
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Re: Which of the two gameplans should Cotto apply against Pacquiao?
Nov 9, 2009 3:44 PM
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"A bit worse for wear, but still undefeated"
Right! 
A guy who hasn't fought a WW in 3 yrs. last two opponents was a Jr. WW and a LW... hasn't faced any of the top current WW's.
Chavez Jr. has talent.
Paul Spadafora is undefeated.
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Re: Which of the two gameplans should Cotto apply against Pacquiao?
Nov 9, 2009 2:47 PM
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> Hitking, let me ask you a serious question, and this
> question is not intended to bust your balls, but lets
> says Mayweather faced all the comp that Cotto has
> faced at welterweight, you think he would still make
> it out undefeated ??
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> If Mayweather faced, Quintana, Mosley, Margarito, and
> Clottey all back to back, would he still his 0 ??
Yep.
A bit worse for wear..but..still undefeated.
BTW - Cotto shouldn't be struggling so early in his career. he's only been to 140 and 147.
Floyd didn't struggle so much early on....he chain lashed Corrales, BOTH Hernandez's and Castillo (x2).
That's the difference between the two really: The level of talent.
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Re: Which of the two gameplans should Cotto apply against Pacquiao?
Nov 9, 2009 2:37 PM
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Hitking, let me ask you a serious question, and this question is not intended to bust your balls, but lets says Mayweather faced all the comp that Cotto has faced at welterweight, you think he would still make it out undefeated ??
If Mayweather faced, Quintana, Mosley, Margarito, and Clottey all back to back, would he still his 0 ??
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Re: Which of the two gameplans should Cotto apply against Pacquiao?
Nov 9, 2009 12:08 PM
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Neut, I've forgotten who it was. But, when I brought up the point that Margarito not only could have cheated against Cotto and won, he could have cheated against P-Willie and lost. They mentioned that after the Williams fight, he took his gloves off. And against Cotto, he kept his goves on the rntire time in the ring after the fight.
Go back and review the 2 fights. After the Cotto victory, Margarito leaves his wraps on. In the P.Dub bout, he removes his wraps.......... I remember seeing pictures of Margarito's wraps after the Cotto bout, and something didn't look right.......... maybe some of the Cotto fans still have that picture?
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Re: Which of the two gameplans should Cotto apply against Pacquiao?
Nov 9, 2009 11:51 AM
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There's no way that any Cotto fight going forward won't have people very focused on the hand wraps/gloves his opponent's aren't wearing. There will be no doubt that if he's gonna get beaten up it will be legit at least from that standpoint.
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Re: Which of the two gameplans should Cotto apply against Pacquiao?
Nov 9, 2009 11:43 AM
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> I believe Jabs was referring to the state of Cotto's
> post-fight face...not his fight plan.
Correct.
My ppoint being that Manny will damage Cotto's face the same way AM did....so I guess he'll be suspected of having "loaded gloves", too.
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Re: Which of the two gameplans should Cotto apply against Pacquiao?
Nov 9, 2009 11:18 AM
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I believe Jabs was referring to the state of Cotto's post-fight face...not his fight plan.
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Re: Which of the two gameplans should Cotto apply against Pacquiao?
Nov 9, 2009 10:44 AM
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> I am expecting Cotto to come out of Saturday night
> looking quite similar to the night of his fight with
> Margarito.
Well, if he does, I think its his way of saying "I have no chance of winning this fight." Because he ran from the word go against Margarito. And IMO, his pnly way off beating Pac is the way Margarito beat him. And that's relentless pressure and go through hell and back as far as taing punishment. So if he runs, he might survive a little longer and even see the final bell. But, he has no chance of winning with that gameplan.
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