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Which of the two do you think, gives him a bigger winning chance? A) Be the agressor, plodding forward, throwing his bodypunches trying to break Manny down B) Counterpunching approach. Take what he learned from the JMM/Pacquiao fights and apply it, moving around waiting for the counter (I.E. he did some of that vs Mosley) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pg7CIhO2GkQ -- Edited by CroatianSensation at 10/25/2009 3:01 PM PDT
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Re: Which of the two gameplans should Cotto apply against Pacquiao?
Nov 11, 2009 11:28 PM
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> Paul Williams told his team. It's not like
> they made any calls or offers to the Cotto camp or
> has has made noise about it. Has Cotto himself ever
> declined a fight with P. Williams, NO!
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> Clottey on the opposite side of the spectrum has
> publicly chased Paul Williams and called him out for
> a while now, Paul Williams hasn't faced Clottey. I
> don't think that makes Paul scared of Clottey.
Clottey has no clout. PWilly dont duck anyone. Clottey can win a major fight to save his ass. Who would pay to see him in a major attraction?
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Re: Which of the two gameplans should Cotto apply against Pacquiao?
Nov 11, 2009 6:59 PM
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> I feel sorry for Paul Williams... he gotta take some
> cats to court to fight his ass... what a joke.
It is sad..isn't it ?
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Re: Which of the two gameplans should Cotto apply against Pacquiao?
Nov 11, 2009 3:20 PM
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I feel sorry for Paul Williams... he gotta take some cats to court to fight his ass... what a joke.
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Re: Which of the two gameplans should Cotto apply against Pacquiao?
Nov 11, 2009 2:36 PM
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Haters and fanatics has nothing to do with the overall point, if that's the case Cotto coming off a Margarito loss isn't worth Paul Stepping in the ring with.
Fighters are going to have losses period, thats what happens when the best fight the best in their divisions, period.
I'm not difgging for Bullshit, your fuckin dislike for is to personal, i could care less, i'm not even downing Paul nor defending Cotto. So fuck off.
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Re: Which of the two gameplans should Cotto apply against Pacquiao?
Nov 11, 2009 2:36 PM
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> Paul Williams told his team. It's not like
> they made any calls or offers to the Cotto camp or
> has has made noise about it. Has Cotto himself ever
> declined a fight with P. Williams, NO!
Wrong.
Williams has had Cotto's name on his lips EVERYTIME a camera is on or an interview is had.
Can the same be said for Cotto - F*ck No.
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> Clottey on the opposite side of the spectrum has
> publicly chased Paul Williams and called him out for
> a while now, Paul Williams hasn't faced Clottey. I
> don't think that makes Paul scared of Clottey.
*Update: Clottey just had the opportunity to fight Williams for a CAREER HIGH PAYDAY and turned the fight down.
Now he's all over Boxingscene trying to justify turning the bout down.
Go dig for some new bullsh*t..........
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Re: Which of the two gameplans should Cotto apply against Pacquiao?
Nov 11, 2009 2:33 PM
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> Paul Williams told his team. It's not like
> they made any calls or offers to the Cotto camp or
> has has made noise about it. Has Cotto ever declined
> a fight with P. Williams, NO!
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> Clottey on the opposite side of the spectrum has
> publicly chased Paul Williams and called him out for
> a while now, Paul Williams hasn't faced Clottey. I
> don't think that makes Paul scared of Clottey.
Clottey chasing Williams is like when Margarito was chasing Mayweather. No one, accept haters and fanatics, takes guys like Clottey and Maragrito seriously considering they're coming off loses.
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Re: Which of the two gameplans should Cotto apply against Pacquiao?
Nov 11, 2009 2:31 PM
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Paul Williams told his team. It's not like they made any calls or offers to the Cotto camp or has has made noise about it. Has Cotto himself ever declined a fight with P. Williams, NO!
Clottey on the opposite side of the spectrum has publicly chased Paul Williams and called him out for a while now, Paul Williams hasn't faced Clottey. I don't think that makes Paul scared of Clottey.
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Re: Which of the two gameplans should Cotto apply against Pacquiao?
Nov 11, 2009 2:19 PM
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If ya'll remember, the original Pavlik-Williams talk started becasue Arum didn't want to put Cotto in with Williams. Slimmy Bob took some heat for that. It was like he was trying to put his middleweight on Dub to keep him away from his precious Cotto.
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Re: Which of the two gameplans should Cotto apply against Pacquiao?
Nov 11, 2009 2:14 PM
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> > > Yea i hear you and i agree that its the
> promoter
> > that
> > > wrks for the fighter... but then again i
> never
> > heard
> > > cotto say he didnt wanna fight any of
> those
> > guys...
> > > but i did see bob arum on tv saying that
> cotto
> > was
> > > too green to fight floyd. even with that
> cotto
> > should
> > > have been fighting at welterweight anyways.
> i
> > dont
> > > think he has ducked anyone @ 147 though.
> >
> > I think one Paul "The Punisher" Williams would
> > disagree.
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> Paul Williams never called out Cotto!! Did he?>
Yes. He Did.
He even said that he'd fight Cotto "In Puerto Rico".
Cintron ducked him, Cotto Ducked him, Margarito got sued and LEGALLY TOLD to get his ass in the ring with him and now Pavlik is running.
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Re: Which of the two gameplans should Cotto apply against Pacquiao?
Nov 11, 2009 2:12 PM
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All I remember is Williams trainer calling out Cotto, on showtime after Williams dismantled Quintana in their 2nd fight.
This is all I heard from the trainer in the background.
Whud up Cotto, wuz up now Cotto ??!!
Other than that I don't remember.
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Re: Which of the two gameplans should Cotto apply against Pacquiao?
Nov 11, 2009 2:08 PM
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> > Yea i hear you and i agree that its the promoter
> that
> > wrks for the fighter... but then again i never
> heard
> > cotto say he didnt wanna fight any of those
> guys...
> > but i did see bob arum on tv saying that cotto
> was
> > too green to fight floyd. even with that cotto
> should
> > have been fighting at welterweight anyways. i
> dont
> > think he has ducked anyone @ 147 though.
>
> I think one Paul "The Punisher" Williams would
> disagree.
Paul Williams never called out Cotto!! Did he?>
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Re: Which of the two gameplans should Cotto apply against Pacquiao?
Nov 11, 2009 2:01 PM
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> Well to be fair, I wanted to see Floyd/Zab for years
> and that was 100% the fight I wanted to see, so I
> never complained when it got made. I was thrilled,
> but we've all seen the footage from when AM stepped
> up on Floyd at ringside. Floyd told him they'd fight
> when the time was right. At that time, I think it's
> fair to say he avoided AM in lieu of what he deemed
> as a better business decision. I happen to agree
> with his decision in terms of what benefits Floyd,
> but that is avoidance, isn't it?
Neut, who was Margarito? Like I always go back to. Floyd Mayweather fought Baldomir for the real welterweight title. Margarito wasn't the real champ, and was basically coming off a loss to Santos.. And as we all know, after the Baldomir fight, Mayweather got his big break and got the mega event with de la Hoya. If you remember, Margarito loss to Williams a couple months after the Mayweather-de la Hoya fight. Its kinda hard for me to accept that Mayweather was somehow obligated to a guy that kept losing.
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Re: Which of the two gameplans should Cotto apply against Pacquiao?
Nov 11, 2009 1:57 PM
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> Yea i hear you and i agree that its the promoter that
> wrks for the fighter... but then again i never heard
> cotto say he didnt wanna fight any of those guys...
> but i did see bob arum on tv saying that cotto was
> too green to fight floyd. even with that cotto should
> have been fighting at welterweight anyways. i dont
> think he has ducked anyone @ 147 though.
I think one Paul "The Punisher" Williams would disagree.
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Re: Which of the two gameplans should Cotto apply against Pacquiao?
Nov 11, 2009 1:55 PM
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> > Dont hate Cotto for that Hitking... hate Bob
> Arum, i
> > dont think Cotto personally was ducking
> anybody..
> > seems like he does whatever Mr Arum tells him to
> do.
>
> As I've stated before, the promotor works for the
> fighter, not visa versa. If Cotto wanted to fight
> Hatton or Mayweather, all he had to do was say so.
Hit, I don't think you're giving Cotto's machinists enough credit. The dude was always a robot whenever asked about future opponents. "As far as who I'll fight next, I don't get involved. I fight whoever my team tells me to fight."
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Re: Which of the two gameplans should Cotto apply against Pacquiao?
Nov 11, 2009 1:53 PM
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> I talk to you often, and don't consider you a hater.
> Dingo is a hater. TJoe is a hater. Riky is a
> a hater. I think you're more of a critic. That
> being said, I think the the notion that Mayweather
> "avoided" a fight with Margarito si nonsense. When
> Mayweather hit the division, Margarito was in rebuild
> mode. Its been said, mostly by the haters, that
> Mayweather ducked Margarito for so long that people
> actually believe it. The fact is, Margarito was
> coming off a loss to Santos, and only had wins over
> Lujan, Gomez, and an untested Cintron when Money hit
> the division. Mayweather-Judah was the fight
> everyone wanted to see and Baldomir was the
> universally recognized champ. He fought the fights
> he was supposed to fight when he hit welter.
Well to be fair, I wanted to see Floyd/Zab for years and that was 100% the fight I wanted to see, so I never complained when it got made. I was thrilled, but we've all seen the footage from when AM stepped up on Floyd at ringside. Floyd told him they'd fight when the time was right. At that time, I think it's fair to say he avoided AM in lieu of what he deemed as a better business decision. I happen to agree with his decision in terms of what benefits Floyd, but that is avoidance, isn't it?
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