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Which of the two do you think, gives him a bigger winning chance? A) Be the agressor, plodding forward, throwing his bodypunches trying to break Manny down B) Counterpunching approach. Take what he learned from the JMM/Pacquiao fights and apply it, moving around waiting for the counter (I.E. he did some of that vs Mosley) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pg7CIhO2GkQ -- Edited by CroatianSensation at 10/25/2009 3:01 PM PDT
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Re: Which of the two gameplans should Cotto apply against Pacquiao?
Nov 7, 2009 4:23 PM
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Cotto is a fast fighter but what makes him faster is timing.
Mosely, zab,paulie all said the saem thing.
can Cotto break down Manny?
Hell yes and it will happen.
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Re: Which of the two gameplans should Cotto apply against Pacquiao?
Nov 7, 2009 3:14 PM
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Cotto has a strong chin and body and must walk Pacman down to keep Packman working while working Packman's body and hope to wear him out before he is knocked out. However, Cotto is in bad shape because he was given wins that he didn't deserve, and that doesn't help any fighter. Look at Germain Taylor, he was give wins that he didn't deserve either and you see what has transpired in his last few fights. Boxing is the only sport where the loser often wins. Sometimes just read the face!
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Re: Which of the two gameplans should Cotto apply against Pacquiao?
Nov 7, 2009 3:08 PM
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> Cotto is not fast enough to land first, but he
> doesn't have to land first. He just has to land.
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Cotto is not exactly a powerful one-punch wonder. He has to land not one, but a lot of them to take out Pacman, without getting hit back... 
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Re: Which of the two gameplans should Cotto apply against Pacquiao?
Nov 7, 2009 2:58 PM
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> > > Cotto is not fast enough to land first, but
> he
> > > doesn't have to land first. He just has
> to
> > land.
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> > Hatton has pretty quick hands, and pretty good
> > pop...didnt serve him too well though. He
> managed to
> > land some shots too, before being decked.
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> True, but Hatton was fried and he hung his chin out
> there like a side of beef.
Well, we know why he got downed (he sold his chin to satan in order to get past Tszyu)....this is about what assets he brought to the ring, and how they failed to make a difference. I dont think that Cotto is any more likely to land a one punch death bomb on Manny than Manny is likely to land the same on Cotto.
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Re: Which of the two gameplans should Cotto apply against Pacquiao?
Nov 7, 2009 2:51 PM
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> I think it's a tough call. I'm a big Cotto fan but
> my one concern is his speed. It's funny because my
> girlfriend brought this up last night when she was
> watching a replay of one of Cotto's fights. She said
> Steve, my one problem with Cotto is he doesn't seem
> fast. I said to her, he knows how to break down a
> fighter and lands his punches strategically. So
> here's the issue, can Cotto break down Manny with
> punches to the body without getting nailed numerous
> times each time he gets in there?
Nope
Cotto is goin' down
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Re: Which of the two gameplans should Cotto apply against Pacquiao?
Nov 7, 2009 2:51 PM
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> > Cotto is not fast enough to land first, but he
> > doesn't have to land first. He just has to
> land.
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> Hatton has pretty quick hands, and pretty good
> pop...didnt serve him too well though. He managed to
> land some shots too, before being decked.
True, but Hatton was fried and he hung his chin out there like a side of beef.
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Re: Which of the two gameplans should Cotto apply against Pacquiao?
Nov 7, 2009 2:50 PM
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> Cotto is not fast enough to land first, but he
> doesn't have to land first. He just has to land.
Hatton has pretty quick hands, and pretty good pop...didnt serve him too well though. He managed to land some shots too, before being decked.
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Re: Which of the two gameplans should Cotto apply against Pacquiao?
Nov 7, 2009 2:46 PM
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Cotto is not fast enough to land first, but he doesn't have to land first. He just has to land.
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Re: Which of the two gameplans should Cotto apply against Pacquiao?
Nov 7, 2009 12:04 PM
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> Whatever your reasons for bringing it up, please
> stop. You have been wrong on enough fight picks,
> history, etc. to have that one very good pick cease
> being a bragging point.
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> Edited by jabsRstiff at 11/07/2009 6:40 AM PST
The only three big fights I've picked wrong since being on here were Margarito-Cotto, Hopkins-Pavlik, and Mosley-Margarito. As for being wrong on history, etc, I can't recall that. I know mt history pretty good. And a lot things that you would consider wrong are simply opinions where there is no right or wrong answers.
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Re: Which of the two gameplans should Cotto apply against Pacquiao?
Nov 7, 2009 11:15 AM
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I think it's a tough call. I'm a big Cotto fan but my one concern is his speed. It's funny because my girlfriend brought this up last night when she was watching a replay of one of Cotto's fights. She said Steve, my one problem with Cotto is he doesn't seem fast. I said to her, he knows how to break down a fighter and lands his punches strategically. So here's the issue, can Cotto break down Manny with punches to the body without getting nailed numerous times each time he gets in there? That's the one thing that we won't know until fight night. Is Cotto's speed deceiving because of how good he is at pin pointing his punches and has this style where you can see everything he's doing which looks to be in slow motion but is effective? I don't know what the answer is. Mosley's a quick fighter and he edged out a victory over him. Margarito nailed Cotto numerous times, and Mosley made Margarito look horrible. You just have to wonder if Pacquiao's speed or Cotto's apparent lack of will be the determining factor. It's going to be an interesting night. I think the biggest advantage Cotto has is having gotten into camp far earlier than Pacquiao. Hopefully he doesn't peak until it's the time of the fight.
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Re: Which of the two gameplans should Cotto apply against Pacquiao?
Nov 7, 2009 10:18 AM
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> I picked Nacho to save de la Hoya in the 9th on
> here when the fight was announced. I took months
> of abuse on here for my pick. And every time I get a
> chance to brag about it, I do.
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I picked De La Hoya to knock out Pacman and to this day, I still believe that if the Golden Boy was able to deliver a well-timed lefthook to the liver, that fight would have been over with Oscar as the winner...
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Re: Which of the two gameplans should Cotto apply against Pacquiao?
Nov 7, 2009 9:39 AM
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sk, I picked Nacho to save de la Hoya in the 9th on here when the fight was announced. I took months of abuse on here for my pick. And every time I get a chance to brag about it, I do.
Whatever your reasons for bringing it up, please stop. You have been wrong on enough fight picks, history, etc. to have that one very good pick cease being a bragging point.
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Re: Which of the two gameplans should Cotto apply against Pacquiao?
Nov 6, 2009 8:07 PM
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> Floyd-Marquez was a good comeback fight for Floyd, no
> more -- it was a ridiculous mismatch, Floyd had him
> in every category and when he chose to ignore the
> catchweight, there went the one shot Marquez had.
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> If Pac and Cotto were the same side, this could be a
> mismatch. Except that they are NOT. Cotto is not
> just a bigger fighter (which hey Hatton and Oscar
> were too) he has beaten more quality names at 147
> than Pac, he is still in his prime, and has faced
> very high level competition at welterweight
> continuously. 3:1 is a GREAT betting line to take
> Cotto with. I admire your purported prescience with
> the Pacquaio-De La Hoya match, although like the
> number of people who saw Wilt's 100 point game, the
> number of people who picked Pacquaio is much larger
> in 2009 than in November 2008.
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> If Pacquaio wins, he cements his place atop the P4P
> list for sure - no other guy in P4P realm has nearly
> as good a skin.
sk, I picked Nacho to save de la Hoya in the 9th on here when the fight was announced. I took months of abuse on here for my pick. And every time I get a chance to brag about it, I do.
As for the similarities I see between Pac's fight with the Golden Boy and Cotto, I see one. And that's that if not for a size advantage, its a laughable mismatch. If we were talking Mayweather-Pacquaio, yeah, the size would be a factor. And that's because Mayweather and Pacquaio are very close to equals from a talent standpoint. But the fact is, Cotto isn't even in Pac's league and you know it. And when fighters are this far apart in talent and class, the better fighter almost always wins. If Pac fights a natural middleweight that's 6' tall and with Cotto's ability, he may have a problem. But him fighting a guy like this that's the same height as him, no way. Pac's gonna smash him.
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Re: Which of the two gameplans should Cotto apply against Pacquiao?
Nov 6, 2009 5:34 PM
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> > I learned a long time ago ya'll, what the
> > woman says goes. That's one fight I can't win.
> >
> >
> > WOW: FOR BALLESS GUYS, WAIT UNTIL
> > YOU'RE WIFE IS DEAD ASLEEP GO INTO HER
> > PURSE AND TAKE BACK YOU'RE MAN N HOOD.
> >
> > SHOPLIFT YOU'RE BALLS BALLS BACK.
>
>
> ROFLMAO!!! DAMNNNNNNN
 .....You just don't tell her about any bonuses
that you might get.....jeez, play it smart.
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Re: Which of the two gameplans should Cotto apply against Pacquiao?
Nov 6, 2009 5:14 PM
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Sk7, I agree with most of your post.
Who you got in this fight and why?
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